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Diet Crack posted:Good, gently caress Hawthorn.
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Oct 13, 2022 22:04
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What the actual gently caress, St. Kilda?!
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Oct 14, 2022 00:29
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If it's a Clarko/Hawthorn-related thing. Then it either means he brought across those "isolate the young indigenous kids from their families/support systems and make their lives only about the club" practices, and St. Kilda is covering it's arse/only just found out about it. Or the Hawthorn story is about to blow up further, with more names/allegations revealed. And St. Kilda knew all along, so is sacking him even before it gets revealed. Of course it could be something unrelated, or even just bog standard St. Kilda incompetence/fuckery.
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Oct 14, 2022 00:34
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imo if it was the Clarkson thing they would be saying something alluding to that, cause when it comes out later it looks like they’re doing a cover up I think this can just be safely filed under “lol saints”
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Oct 14, 2022 03:17
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Their current claim is they did a review and decided "we're not on path to contending for a premiership" so then chose to sack him based on that. Which, I mean, sure I guess, but just him? Why not the list manager? The recruitment staff? The upper admin? Just the senior coach, he's the only problem?
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Oct 14, 2022 04:25
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The entire football department has a lot to answer for imo. They clearly thought they were about to contend for a premiership when they risked it on Hannebery and brought in Hill, and they very clearly were not. Definitely not just a coach situation.
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Oct 14, 2022 04:40
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Bit of a poo poo trade period for them too, do they have anyone to replace Ryder?
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Oct 14, 2022 12:42
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https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/alastair-clarkson-jets-off-to-scotland-as-north-melbourne-make-massive-move-on-potential-start-date-c-8547171 nooo aaaange, tell im to fook off
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Oct 14, 2022 22:42
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Dees girls looking pretty sharp this year
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Oct 15, 2022 12:12
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snaeksikn posted:Dees girls looking pretty sharp this year Melbourne and Brisbane look like the clear top sides this season. Hard to imagine they won't finish top 2 and then meet in the grand final.
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Oct 15, 2022 16:44
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St Kilda has a history of loving off coaches for dumb reasons though (Alves/Thomas). I guess Lyon too but everyone probably got sick of him regardless.
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Oct 16, 2022 01:46
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The Deadly Hume posted:St Kilda has a history of loving off coaches for dumb reasons though (Alves/Thomas). Unless I misunderstand you, Lyon quit the Saints early to go to Freo?  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Lyon)
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Oct 16, 2022 03:00
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Oh I forgot all about that.
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Oct 16, 2022 03:08
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Given Hird was denied his chance to get back to Essendon. Could this be his return to top flight coaching? Honestly I think it'd be funnier if he took Clarksons (hopefully) soon to be vacant job.
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Oct 16, 2022 03:29
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BrigadierSensible posted:Given Hird was denied his chance to get back to Essendon. Could this be his return to top flight coaching? Well Caro was reporting he did present really well in his interview at Essendon...
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Oct 16, 2022 04:00
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cmndstab posted:Their current claim is they did a review and decided "we're not on path to contending for a premiership" so then chose to sack him based on that. Thats not what was said though? It was clearly said they didnt think he was getting enough out of the list and was unable to provide a pathway to fix that. Also, they basically already have done just that. Dont think this is just Ratten in isolation, they have turned over about half the staff in the last month. I fully understand how harsh it is on Ratten but its kind of not unexpected based on the final half of our year. It was shockingly poor.
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Oct 16, 2022 11:07
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Nutsngum posted:I fully understand how harsh it is on Ratten but its kind of not unexpected based on the final half of our year. It was shockingly poor. In a vacuum, it’s a decision that is fine - he wasn’t getting enough out of the team, and didn’t have a way forward. But he got an extension three months ago, the trade period already came and went, and it just doesn’t really smell right given context. I know the Saints just turned over top leadership as well, so it might be new people wanting to put their own stamp on things too. And honestly cutting bait on somebody is better than staying with a sunk cost. And there’s probably more we don’t know. But it just feels off.
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Oct 16, 2022 12:24
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harperdc posted:I know the Saints just turned over top leadership as well, so it might be new people wanting to put their own stamp on things too. And honestly cutting bait on somebody is better than staying with a sunk cost. And there’s probably more we don’t know. But it just feels off. It does, but it's being off is business as usual with the way Saints work, it's a very frustrating culture for a fan. Unless this is a truly new broom I don't expect things to change very much, they'll get somebody competent and it won't be exciting and Saints will go back to being the team that trains players for other teams.
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Oct 16, 2022 18:10
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Whateley made an interesting point this morning, a lot of st kilda people seem to be suggesting they need a harder edge and thus Ross Lyon makes sense, but that’s absolutely not been the case since Clarkson. Every post-hawthorn premiership (potential exception of Simpson as I don’t know as much about him) have been won by teams that appear to have built a more empathetic culture within their playing group and between players and coaches.
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Oct 17, 2022 09:45
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I find it fascinating the amount of Bulldog supporters up in arms over letting Wallis go. I understand that the guy is a great clubman and leader off the field but if he wasn't a FS and was just Mitch Johnson he'd have been delisted three years ago, he's had shocking injury luck and a hard time of it this season but he can't play midfield minutes at AFL level anymore and he's been passed as a forward.
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Oct 17, 2022 13:24
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Solemn Sloth posted:Whateley made an interesting point this morning, a lot of st kilda people seem to be suggesting they need a harder edge and thus Ross Lyon makes sense, but that’s absolutely not been the case since Clarkson. Simpson doesn’t come across like a fire and brimstone kind of guy, especially with leaders like Hurn and Kennedy
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Oct 17, 2022 13:26
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Solemn Sloth posted:Whateley made an interesting point this morning, a lot of st kilda people seem to be suggesting they need a harder edge and thus Ross Lyon makes sense, but that’s absolutely not been the case since Clarkson. I feel like Bevo could be walking that line. Although to be fair he seems like a different person now to the one who won the flag in 2016. Its another reason I am feeling pretty ok about the Brad Scott appointment. He can fly off the handle a bit but I think behind closed doors he seems like a good communicator and has a gentler touch to combat that. Probably more so after his time in AFL HQ
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Oct 17, 2022 14:20
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Solemn Sloth posted:Whateley made an interesting point this morning, a lot of st kilda people seem to be suggesting they need a harder edge and thus Ross Lyon makes sense, but that’s absolutely not been the case since Clarkson. Whilst it doesn't really fit your timeline of post-Hawthorn premierships. There's also the fact that Sydney, (I think starting from Roos onwards), have built many very successful teams with the very public and explicit rule of "No Dickheads".
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Oct 18, 2022 00:19
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Even Clarkson and Bomber were considered to be a deviation from the hard edge coaches common at the time when they were appointed.
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Oct 18, 2022 01:29
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Simpson's time at West Coast has been super family ( and dog, the Stevie Simpson Cup is our real premiership) and community focused. The team motto for his time with us has straight up been "Friends, Family, Flags". It almost feels like a conscious counter-effort from what he may have seen during his time at Hawthorn. I don't think a club led by a hard-man sticks with Rioli the way we did over his journey at the club.
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Oct 18, 2022 05:16
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Solemn Sloth posted:Whateley made an interesting point this morning, a lot of st kilda people seem to be suggesting they need a harder edge and thus Ross Lyon makes sense, but that’s absolutely not been the case since Clarkson. The Saints have no idea what they are doing. As yet another example, I cancelled my auto renewal on my membership and removed the payment details from the membership website and they still (somehow?) charged me. Good thing that's only a slightly more of a disapointment than the season and offsesaon so far so I was prepared for yet more disapontment.
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Oct 18, 2022 11:51
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Get ready St Kilda...
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Oct 19, 2022 08:13
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Spedman posted:Simpson doesn’t come across like a fire and brimstone kind of guy, especially with leaders like Hurn and Kennedy I think Sam Mitchell and Sumich were the ones driving the core of the Mids and Forwards in 2018 - Simpson seems more of a 'stand back and watch' kind of coach to me
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Oct 20, 2022 22:23
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Kirsten McLeod is finally making her return to AFLW, 575 days after suffering a concussion. https://twitter.com/BulldogsW/status/1582996756945862658
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Oct 21, 2022 03:50
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Go dees
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Oct 23, 2022 09:37
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Solemn Sloth posted:Go dees Melbourne vs Brisbane grand final looks almost inevitable at this stage. Half a chance of Melbourne finishing top, too. Brisbane currently have a significant percentage advantage (both teams have conceded 183 points, but Brisbane have scored 490 to Melbourne's 440) but should have a reasonably tough match against Collingwood, whereas Melbourne can cash in against West Coast. It will almost certainly end up determining where the grand final is played.
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Oct 23, 2022 12:43
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lol saints
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Oct 24, 2022 00:48
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No team is responsible for the entertainment of neutral fans so of course they are free to do what they want, but I guess I'll be going back to not watching the Saints unless my team is playing them, as with Freo until recently and the Saints again before that.
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Oct 24, 2022 02:56
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Solemn Sloth posted:lol saints  I wasn’t paying as much attention the first go-around but I have seen the man’s work at Freo. Ugh.
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Oct 24, 2022 09:46
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At the very least, I'm glad we got Robert Harvey coming back as an assistant. (Should have been coach, though)
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Oct 25, 2022 04:25
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If Terry Wallace hadn't made it banned, I'm sure Ross Lyon would love forcing the ball back into the defensive 50 and running through for rushed behinds at every opportunity
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Oct 25, 2022 20:11
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monolithburger posted:At the very least, I'm glad we got Robert Harvey coming back as an assistant. (Should have been coach, though) Not sure if jobs for the boys is a winning strategy but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong.
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Oct 25, 2022 21:26
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How many people have coached a premiership at a club they used to play for? Beveridge, Worsfold, Williams spring to mind but beyond that not sure.
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Oct 26, 2022 00:12
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Whilst this is always should be considered on a case by case basis. I am not a fan of a club legend coming back to the club they played for to coach. Especially if it will be their first senior coaching appointment, and even more especially if they had played there within recent memory. It puts so much pressure on them to succeed. To be as good coaches as they were players. And pressure from the fans that love them, that will either deify or crucify them. With regards to Harvey, he has done his time as an assistant, and is by all accounts a great and well regarded assistant. But I feel if he was to take the top job at St. Kilda, he would be seen as a returning Messiah. And that never ends well. For a player, a coach, or a club.
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Solemn Sloth posted:How many people have coached a premiership at a club they used to play for? Beveridge, Worsfold, Williams spring to mind but beyond that not sure. Denis Pagan is the only other one I can think of
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