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This doesn’t bode well for accountability or actual root-and-branch change, IMO. Article includes a quote about how football clubs are “unique environments,” and if that doesn’t ring the alarms I don’t know what will. https://twitter.com/afl/status/1574231977628094465
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 04:41 |
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Surely “football clubs are unique organisations” is a large part of the problem
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 05:07 |
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Also love the term "historical", it was like, within the last 5 years
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 05:22 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:Surely “football clubs are unique organisations” is a large part of the problem Ding ding ding Thinking this is all to get a voice on that panel who knows the old boys clubs and argues to keep them that way.
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 05:36 |
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Geelong's Mad Monday from the nursing home is going well: https://twitter.com/dangerfield35/status/1574258566571372544
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harperdc posted:This doesn’t bode well for accountability or actual root-and-branch change, IMO. Article includes a quote about how football clubs are “unique environments,” and if that doesn’t ring the alarms I don’t know what will. loving hell, they really want the panel to sign off on it just being normal. They need outsiders that have never been involved in the AFL.
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harperdc posted:This doesn’t bode well for accountability or actual root-and-branch change, IMO. Article includes a quote about how football clubs are “unique environments,” and if that doesn’t ring the alarms I don’t know what will. quote:"Football clubs are unique environments," Nicholson said. Jesus Christ.
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harperdc posted:This doesn’t bode well for accountability or actual root-and-branch change, IMO. Article includes a quote about how football clubs are “unique environments,” and if that doesn’t ring the alarms I don’t know what will. No wonder the Indigenous players in question have lawyered up and will only work with an actual independent investigation.
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 11:02 |
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Spedman posted:No wonder the Indigenous players in question have lawyered up and will only work with an actual independent investigation. Didn’t know that, and that is a very good thing if accurate. Collingwood was bad enough, but from that ABC article there’s enough to warrant actual serious repercussions this time. Imagine considering any of those actions in a “normal” workplace.
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 11:28 |
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quote:Football clubs are unique environments," Nicholson said. This quote shows that they are already working on their defense. The defense I always knew they would use. "We were just trying to protect those poor young kids. Protect them from the horrible responsibilities and burdens of having a life, family, and connections outside of football. And hanging around with 'those kind' of people. It's a pure coincidence we did it only with young, vulnerable, suggestible indigenous kids from country towns." Also, even though it is likely nothing of real significance will change, given they have been named, Clarko and Fagan are surely hosed, and their top positions made untenable. At least for now. Watch them both sit out 2-3 years of "punishment/penance" and get rehired. gently caress them all. Burn it to the ground.
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 11:30 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:This quote shows that they are already working on their defense. The defense I always knew they would use. North and Brisbane have already 100% backed them, they won't be sitting out
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NTRabbit posted:North and Brisbane have already 100% backed them, they won't be sitting out I think both clubs have done that to make it 100% AFL/Hawthorns problem, because if they’re found to be forcing abortions the clubs will drop them like a hot potato, if they’re cleared they’ve still got their coach they want. I think it’s a purely cynical/calculated move
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# ? Sep 26, 2022 13:49 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:As mentioned before, Quarters are shorter because time isn’t called off for stoppages. As someone pretty new to watching the sport frequently, this was cool ty
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# ? Sep 27, 2022 05:56 |
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quote:Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Mark Evans were accused by a fellow Hawthorn coach of running the football department like the “Russian Mafia’’, the club’s review of its handling of Indigenous players reveals.
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# ? Sep 27, 2022 11:05 |
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Burn it down and go through every other club with a loving microscope and a sledgehammer
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# ? Sep 27, 2022 11:36 |
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Every time I see this story pop up my FB feed I'm dumb enough to open up the comments. I should stop.
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# ? Sep 27, 2022 13:05 |
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So basically the first line of defence that "well the report itself doesn't allege much, it's just a reporter fishing for stories" has of course proved to be bullshit. Won't be long now before they all pivot to "well actually it's good that the coaches treated young indigenous players as inferior because actually they are inferior."
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# ? Sep 27, 2022 17:27 |
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Selwood calling it a day, had a feeling that it was going to happen since he was so emotional after kicking his goal on GF day and everyone got around him. Plus it's rare for a player to go out on top of the mountain while still playing well.
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 02:27 |
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My doom feeling is that all Hawthorn have to do is find 1(one) non-indigenous young player that Clarkson, or Fagan once had a chat to and said "Hey mate, it'd be better for you to focus on your football in Melbourne rather than muck around with your larrikan mates/family back home." They will then claim that this is exactly the same as what they did to the kids in the report, (and most likely several others), and that they had the best interests of the young men at heart, a footy club is a community etc. etc. And some dickhead, one-of-the-boys, investigator will agree. Then it will all be swept under the rug and Clarkson and Fagan continue in their highly paid, public roles as influencers of young men. Also, in a purely practical note. Who the gently caress would want to get recruited by Hawthorn now? Indigenous or non-indigenous. It has been shown that they are more than happy to intefere in your private life, gently caress with your romantic relationships, and it doesn't matter how big a star you are, the top brass at the club will still insult your wife, and tell you how to live your life, (Jeff vs Cyril). So who would willingly go there, either as a young player, or an experienced one?
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 02:48 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:They will then claim that this is exactly the same as what they did to the kids in the report, (and most likely several others), and that they had the best interests of the young men at heart, a footy club is a community etc. etc. And some dickhead, one-of-the-boys, investigator will agree. Then it will all be swept under the rug and Clarkson and Fagan continue in their highly paid, public roles as influencers of young men. Yeah when the AFL talked about wanting somebody with coaching experience on the independent panel, that’s exactly what they’re preparing to do. And it’s being telegraphed from a mile away (or a Ben Brown run-up, whichever is longer)
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BrigadierSensible posted:Also, in a purely practical note. Who the gently caress would want to get recruited by Hawthorn now? Indigenous or non-indigenous. It has been shown that they are more than happy to intefere in your private life, gently caress with your romantic relationships, and it doesn't matter how big a star you are, the top brass at the club will still insult your wife, and tell you how to live your life, (Jeff vs Cyril). This reminds me of the 2007 draft when the Crows took Dangerfield after being widely tipped to take Brad Ebert. Ebert ended up going to West Coast, and his uncle Russell Ebert (who is a legend in SA footy) absolute teed off on the radio, blaming the Crows for sending his nephew to the Eagles where he would be surrounded by all the drug and cultural issues happening there at the time. He was absolutely furious about it, using expressions like "blood will be on your hands" etc. And this was with West Coast just fresh off back-to-back grand final appearances!
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kZNsMn51_mZonP7bWFqZnCw8296-d0mV/view The Hawthorn emails are really loving bad. TW for exactly what you expected. Testekill fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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I cannot imagine how she would have felt after all of that to have received that final reply at the end. JFC put them all in prison
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 09:08 |
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Joel Selwood has called it a day on his AFL playing career. He made the decision before the West Coast match 6 weeks ago. What a great player he was, hopefully will have a great post game career. Also a pretty funny story that happened after the GF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPxC3eUCRNc&t=915s
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 09:35 |
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He had absolutely no right to make me like him in the final moments of his career
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 09:51 |
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harperdc posted:This doesn’t bode well for accountability or actual root-and-branch change, IMO. Article includes a quote about how football clubs are “unique environments,” and if that doesn’t ring the alarms I don’t know what will. A guy who understands the white man's burden, no doubt. It's been 200 years and they're still treating indigenous people like troublesome children who need constant supervision. If that's their defense, it's a bloody weak one that only a sheer narcissist would come up with.
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# ? Sep 28, 2022 14:46 |
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In lighter news, look at this hot trash - glad I got a $20 voucher for my birthday specifically to buy this
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thepokey posted:He had absolutely no right to make me like him in the final moments of his career
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# ? Sep 29, 2022 01:48 |
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Weird that Melbourne chased Grundy over Gunston Weird that Gunston thinks he fits into a stacked Brisbane forward line
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Testekill posted:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kZNsMn51_mZonP7bWFqZnCw8296-d0mV/view Jesus gently caress, those emails actually make things even worse!! That poor woman, I'm so drat angry about this. I really hope something is done about this.
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# ? Sep 29, 2022 05:48 |
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cmndstab posted:I really hope something is done about this. haha Even if something is done Clarko has already decided it won't be fair on him.
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cmndstab posted:Jesus gently caress, those emails actually make things even worse!! That poor woman, I'm so drat angry about this. Especially the last one, Newbold is just saying "well I can't help you so stop emailing me" and that's heartbreaking. Here's a woman in a lovely situation that the club put her in and the Hawks president just doesn't want to do anything.
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oh, essendon got the poo poo scott twin
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Testekill posted:Especially the last one, Newbold is just saying "well I can't help you so stop emailing me" and that's heartbreaking. Here's a woman in a lovely situation that the club put her in and the Hawks president just doesn't want to do anything. Worse than that. What he says in that last short terse bullshit email is essentially: "I am not aware of any of the horrible poo poo things that you have been through which you just told me. So not only can't I do anything for you, and am handpassing you off to someone else, I now have a papertrail where I have said I don't know anything about what they did to you, (nor apparently what goes on at my club), and have no power to do anything about it, but I am not responsible in any way. So take your whinging elsewhere sister, and stop wasting my valuable time." Which is immeasurably hosed up.
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# ? Sep 29, 2022 12:23 |
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I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m actually happy we got Brad Scott. I for one welcome our new whinging overlord
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thepokey posted:I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m actually happy we got Brad Scott. I for one welcome our new whinging overlord I have no problem with his whinging or his personality traits, but does he have the experience of success? He didn’t exactly take north to soaring results…
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# ? Sep 29, 2022 15:08 |
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I thought he did well with North given what he was working with with that list and resources. Also sure he would have learned a lot from that + his time in AFL HQ (i'm hoping that skill set in particular + his hard edge has him well equipped to deal with the circus that is our club). Also think he's well placed in regards to a return to coaching. He isn't that old, and given that he left a cushy AFL role for coaching would lead me to believe he is pretty dedicated to the role rather than being a stop-gap coach to "right the ship". I feel like he's in it for the long-haul. Also think he should be able to give our list the kick up the rear end it probably needs. I don't know, something about it feels kind of right. I had this feeling with someone like Yze for example, he could be a great coach, but wasn't really what we need at the moment. He seems better suited to a club that has their poo poo together but are ready for a rebuild. A Geelong/Richmond/Swans/Dogs/Port type when they are ready to start a-fresh with a new young coach to build the next era around. I kinda had the feeling we would probably just ruin Yze. Also I am so loving glad we didn't go back to Hird. That to me is almost the biggest tick in terms of the club turning its ways around.
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Forum Joe posted:I have no problem with his whinging or his personality traits, but does he have the experience of success? He didn’t exactly take north to soaring results… imo he massively overachieved with what he had at north
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# ? Sep 29, 2022 21:03 |
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It's a bit of a re-tread hire, but I think Essendon getting somebody outside of their ecosystem (or aiming for the biggest name like Clarkson pre-all of the Hawthorn news) is probably the right solution for them. still will chuckle a bit when Bad Scott starts turning chartreuse in the coaches box next season wearing red and black, but it is probably a variety of the right move.
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I’m pretty glad we’ve got Yze with us for another year
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