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Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
https://i.imgur.com/LIyvDtc.mp4
Welcome to the 2022 thread for the Australian Football League and Australian Football League Women's; the national top-tier competitions of Australian Rules Football.

What is AFL?
This 5 minute video aimed at Americans should hopefully explain the basics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZYZcoAcU0 <<<< watch this

Footy, as it is known to the masses, is a fast-paced, full contact, 360 degree game which takes place on a truly massive (and non-standard sized) field of turf with 18 players on both teams chasing a leather ball around the place which can lead to some big hits and some impressive displays of skills.
It is also one of the highest attended domestic sports league in the world with over 1 million paid up members (think seat/season pass holders) in Australia (Population 25 million) with many more spectators.

https://i.imgur.com/OOSZEAH.gifv
A brief history
Australian football was devised around the Victorian gold rush years as something for cricketers to "keep fit" over summer, with the rules inspired by Marngrook, a game played by the indigenous peoples of Western Victoria. The first "organised" game of this new code was played out in 1858. As it existed then was basically dozens of players chasing the ball around a huge paddock, before the rules got refined to more suited to being played on cricket ovals.

This lead to the Victorian Football Association (VFA) being formed soon after - matches were initially arranged on an ad-hoc basis, but soon took on a league structure. Around this time the game spread to the other states, having had the most impact in South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania.

The Victorian Football League (VFL) was established by eight Melbourne teams in 1897 as a breakaway of the VFA, which remained as the second-tier league in Victoria.

The VFL remained a Victorian-based competition for most of its history, with SA and WA also hosting strong state leagues, as well as numerous suburban country leagues, however with the money and crowds concentrated in Melbourne, this caused a drift of the better players to the VFL through the 1960s and 70s. There was some state vs state competition, more on that below.

Eventually the VFL began to expand interstate with the relocation of South Melbourne to Sydney in 1982, with subsequent expansions in 1987 to West Coast in Perth and the Brisbane Bears in Gold Coast (they moved into Brisbane a few years latter). While the main aim was to establish the national competition with an eye to TV rights, half the Victorian teams were flat broke so the license fees raised from the expenses were used to bail them out.

With The Adelaide Crows in 1990, the VFL changed its name to the Australian Football League to reflect the national competition. The next new entrants were Fremantle in 1995, Port Adelaide in 1997, while Fitzroy "merged" with the Bears to become the Brisbane Lions. The current VFL is essentially the old VFA with both local standalone teams and reserves teams of the Victorian AFL clubs. Likewise the SANFL and WAFL have much the same status, along with the NEAFL which covers NSW, Queensland, the ACT (Canberra) and the Northern Territory.

In the early 2010s, the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants were added to the comp, so every mainland state now has at least two clubs, while Tasmania, which is football mad but also kind of poor, gets to watch a few games a year hosted by Hawthorn (in Launceston) and North Melbourne (in Hobart). I'm sure you found all this fascinating to read.

https://i.imgur.com/ajIwnfj.mp4

What the gently caress is going on?
The aim of the game is to win possession on the ball and kick it through the middle two set of big white sticks, which will earn you 6 points. If you kick it between the tall and the little post or the ball hits the goal post or is touched by any player going across the goal line it is worth 1 point.

At the start of every quarter (20 minutes + time on, usually 30m all up) and after a goal has been scored the ball is brought to the middle for a ball up/centre bounce where two ruckmen will try to tap the ball to the advantage of their teammates, think of a basketball jump ball.

The two main legal ways of passing the ball are via kicking and handballing, in any direction - there are no offside rules.

If a player takes a mark (catch) at least 15m away from a kick which has not been touched by another player or has hit the ground an umpire awards a free kick, allowing the player to either play on or collect themselves for a few seconds to take an uninterrupted kick. Hand balling is punching the ball with a closed fist out of the palm of your other hand, players are not allowed to throw the ball and will have a free kick awarded against them if they do.

It is legal to tackle an opponent with the ball between the shoulders and the knees. If successful and the opposing player was run down or had prior opportunity to dispose of the ball but didn't, a free kick is rewarded. Usually the crowd will advise the umpires that someone was holding the "BALLLLL". Otherwise if the ball gets tied up, the umpire will throw the ball up for t

Oh yeah, you have to bounce (or ground) the ball every 15 meters if you're running, being an oval ball it does not bounce quite like a basketball.

For more information read the general rules and composition of matches here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football#Laws_of_the_game
(For the real gronks you can read the official laws of the game document, here: https://www.afl.com.au/clubhelp/policies/eligibility-and-registration/laws-of-the-game)


Some marks are more spectacular than others, so being Australian we obviously call them speccys or screamers. Yes, you can stand on peoples backs if you're legitimately going for the ball.
https://i.imgur.com/EkmYHeX.mp4

The structure of the competition which runs from March to September/October is thus: 18 teams, 23 rounds of football (including a byes for each team), the top 8 teams get to play in the finals. The top 4 teams on the ladder get a double chance to stay in if they lose in the first week, and everyone else does elimination finals from the get go. The final 2 teams play in the Grand Final for the Premiership held in the last weekend of September or the first weekend of October depending which week the season starts.



https://i.imgur.com/HQrI0gU.mp4

AFLW
The first season of the national women's competition kicked off in 2017 with 8 teams which are all aligned with the existing men's teams (see below). In 2019 it expanded to 10 teams. Currently 14 teams compete, with the final four teams scheduled to be added in 2023.

It is a semi-professional competition running during the summer months with players only having 5 months long contracts and training in the evening after schooling or fulltime work, they aren't paid much either with the maximum player payment set between $13,400 and $24,600, compared to the men who are paid between $100,000-$1,300,000 per season.

The 2022 AFLW season kicks off 7th January with St Kilda vs Richmond. The idiotic idea of conferences has been banished. The finals now go for 3 weeks with elimination and preliminary final stages before the grand final.

See the third post of the thread for AFLW season 2022 information.

https://i.imgur.com/RgY4KCz.mp4

Any given Sunday
The AFL actively pursues a policy of equalisation so that every club can be reasonably expected to compete for a premiership within a reasonable period. This is closer to the NFL system and the “any given Sunday” principle, than for example the English Premier League where only a handful of clubs are reasonably expected to fill the top end of the rankings. The below table attempts to summarise the financial position of the clubs (going from 2019 as a pre-COVID baseline).



There are several levers to this equalisation policy.

The majority of players are introduced to the league through a national draft. Clubs take picks in reverse ladder order from the previous year. Clubs are able to trade picks for other picks or players, and are able to trade future year picks as well.
The AFL is subject to a salary cap for player payments. This is something of a rolling cap, as clubs are able to over or underspend in a given year, if this is accounted for in subsequent years. Player contracts are frequently back-ended or front-ended, rather than paid evenly across their length to assist with salary cap management.

Clubs are also subject to a “soft cap” on football department spending. This covers the amount spent on coaching staff, medical, wellbeing, and support staff. Any amount a club spends above a cap set by the AFL is subject to an additional “tax”, paid into an equalisation fund run by the AFL and distributed between clubs. This cap intends to level the playing field between the differences in financial power between clubs.

Overall the equalisation policy has been successful. In the 26 years from 1995-2021, 14 different teams have won premierships, and all but one team (Gold Coast) has qualified for a grand final. Recently Sydney, Geelong, the Bulldogs, Richmond, and Melbourne all broke premiership droughts of between 30 and 70 years.

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Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
The Teams:

ADELAIDE CROWS
First AFL season: 1991
Premierships: 2 - 1997, 1998
Their most recent peak was 2017 when they made the grand final, although it's arguable if they turned up. Since then they've middling to bad, and have gone through a review of their operations. Their former captain racially abused someone in a reserves match, but he's back now (or is he?).


BRISBANE LIONS
First AFL season: 1997 (merger of Fitzroy Lions and Brisbane Bears)
Premierships: 3 - 2001, 2002, 2003 (8 as Fitzroy - 1898, 1899, 1904, 1905, 1913, 1916, 1922, 1944)
The Brions have struggled a bit since their three-peat era, but looked more promising of late, with their rebuilding efforts bearing fruit. They have failed to turn regular season success into finals wins though, with the current coach having a 1-5 record. Still legit one of the more exciting teams to watch at the moment.


CARLTON BLUES
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 16 - 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995
Those of us whose hair is greying and falling out can remember when Carlton were the cashed-up bogeyman side of the VFL, but for the last couple of decades they've been putrid. Yet again there are expectations on Carlton this season, but I think most people are waiting to see how they’ll fail to deliver once again.


COLLINGWOOD MAGPIES
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 15 - 1902, 1903, 1910, 1917, 1919, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1935, 1936, 1953, 1958, 1990, 2010
Formerly the "biggest" club in Australia (and this is an incredible sore spot for them). After bottling the 2018 GF, they were at the losing end of one of the worst great preliminary finals in recent history as they fell just short of overhauling the lead they gave the Giants in the third quarter. They’ve since fallen in a bit of a heap, and last year saw them sack their longstanding President, as well as their club legend coach. They took a very un-Collingwood approach to a new coach in choosing not to appoint either an established superstar or a lifelong Collingwood person. Hopefully this doesn’t mean a new era of competent governance.


ESSENDON BOMBERS
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 16 - 1897, 1901, 1911, 1912, 1923, 1924, 1942, 1946, 1949, 1950, 1962, 1965, 1984, 1985, 1993, 2000
It is now over 6000 days since Essendon has won a finals match. High expectations from a good back of the season led to a big faceplant in Tasmania against eventual runners up the Bulldogs. On the plus side, they seem to have benefited from a number of high profile players leaving prior to the 2020 season, doing well in the draft and looking reinvigorated on-field.


FREMANTLE DOCKERS
First AFL season: 1995
Premierships: none
I don’t think anyone other than particularly psychotic West Coast supporters wishes any ill towards the Dockers. They’re completely inoffensive to most people. They’ve got a decent young crop coming through the midfield. Their perennial problem has been attracting a dominant key forward. Wouldn’t expect huge things from them in 2022 but they seem to be trending upwards.


GEELONG CATS
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 9 - 1925, 1931, 1937, 1951, 1952, 1963, 2007, 2009, 2011
Geelong are like the ultra-Brisbane, turning good regular seasons into disappointing finals exits for a decade now. This year they got pantsed by eventual premiers Melbourne to the tune of 83 points, although later reports were that a virus had ripped through much of their playing list in the days prior. It seems every single year is the last possible year for an ageing Cats list to seriously contend, and this year is no different. If we all keep predicting a collapse eventually we’ve got to be right?


GOLD COAST SUNS
First AFL season: 2011
Premierships: none
Another point of evidence supporting the hypothesis that the entire Gold Coast region is cursed and the sooner it finally washes into the sea the better. Another poo poo season will only lead to more questions as to why this team exists when even a Tasmanian club split between Hobart and Launie sounds like a more viable option.


GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY (GWS) GIANTS
First AFL season: 2012
Premierships: none
Like Aldi, slowly gaining respect in this country as a legitimate option but still mainly known for the aisle of weird specials like Toby Greene. Won a final against Sydney (although arguably Sydney lost it). gently caress Toby Greene.


HAWTHORN HAWKS
First AFL season: 1925
Premierships: 13 - 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015
Another Victorian jerk club (see Carlton/Essendon), however having had a brush with a fate worse than death (merging with Melbourne) in the 90s, actually reworked their Machiavellian ethos for the modern era where if you're going to cheat, do it legally.
Went down the ladder in 2021, although still gave quality teams some hard match-ups. They got rid of Alastair Clarkson, arguably the best coach of the modern era, partly as a result of keeping President Jeff Kennett, inarguably the worst Premier of modern Victoria. I think a lot of people are watching some of what new coach Sam Mitchell is putting together with an aspect of “not again” and hoping we’re not subjected to another dynasty in the near future.


MELBOURNE DEMONS
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 10 - 1900, 1926, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1948, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1964, 2021
The Dees had a breakthrough finals performance in 2018 before being utterly embarrassed by the Eagles in Perth. They inexplicably fell to 2nd bottom the following year, but in the process picked up two first round draft picks that would eventually play in their 2021 premiership. They built their flag last year on a rock-solid defence, damaging midfield, and something that at times resembled a forward line. They’ve got an exciting young list, and the only reason to think they won’t be contending for the next five years is that they’re still Melbourne.


NORTH MELBOURNE KANGAROOS
First VFL season: 1925
Premierships: 4 - 1975, 1977, 1996, 1999
Tyrannosaurus, christ it's so goddamn tall.
Tyrannosaurus, tiny hands to hold the ball
When Rex is on the warpath, all the other reptiles flee
Tyrannosaurus is the monster that will eat both you and me


PORT ADELAIDE POWER
First AFL season: 1997
Premierships: 1 – 2004
Port Adelaide like to pretend that their flags in a second-rate state-league competition that now functions only as a development territory mean something. They made the finals again before being utterly embarrassed by eventual runners up the Bulldogs in the preliminary final.


RICHMOND TIGERS
First VFL season: 1908
Premierships: 12 - 1920, 1921, 1932, 1934, 1943, 1967, 1969, 1973, 1974, 1980, 2017, 2019,2020
Another old-skool team that were functionally useless for decades, but suddenly they've won 2 flags in the last 3 seasons, their numerous deranged fans have something positive to be obnoxious about, and it's scary. They had a bit of a run with injury in 2021 that never saw them move out of second gear. Bit of an unknown for 2022 but I think most people are at least worried.


ST KILDA SAINTS
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club
Premierships: 1 – 1966
The Saints now own the longest premiership drought in the league. From the outside it feels like they’ve overrated their list a few times recently, bringing in players to top up for contention prematurely. They have moved back into Moorabbin as their training base, which should be fine as long as they don't set up the old nightclub as well.


SYDNEY SWANS
First VFL season: 1897 - foundation club (as South Melbourne)
Premierships: 5 - 1909, 1918, 1933, 2005, 2012
The Swans returned to their natural position in the 21st century of being “pretty good”. They’ve got an exciting team of young players, and unusually for Sydney an easy to watch attacking playstyle. Buddy Franklin should get to 1000 career goals in the early part of the season which will be great.


WEST COAST EAGLES
First VFL season: 1987
Premierships: 4 - 1992, 1994, 2006, 2018
West Coast kind of feel like they’re ready to fall in a heap. It’s very rare for them to be really bad, because they’ll usually bank 8/9+ of their games at home to put them at least in the finals equations.


WESTERN BULLDOGS
First VFL season: 1925
Premierships: 2 – 1954, 2016
The dogs look set to repeat their against all odds flag run of 2016 again last year. They fell way off the mark for the last month of the regular season, losing their top 4 spot in the process (they had been 1st/2nd for the majority of the season to that point). The finals felt like they went forty minutes too long. Going from a commanding position midway through the third quarter of the grand final to an eventual 12 goal loss.

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I'm not Australian and I want to watch this crazy sport
Cool, other than illegal streams, the best bet would be burchasing a WatchAFL pass. This is only for international audiences (or those with a VPN for Australians) and has every game of the season shown live or on demand.
https://www.watchafl.com.au/

If you buy an international membership [example] from a club you will support that team financially and receive a goodie bag of membership items along with a WatchAFL subscription.

For Australians, if Channel 7 isn't showing enough footy for you or you hate ads, you can sign up for Kayo and stream every game live or on demand. Sadly you're supporting murdoch at the same time if you do.

Links
What is AFL? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZYZcoAcU0
http://www.afl.com.au/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Football_League
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Australian_rules_football
https://australianfootball.com/
https://www.watchafl.com.au/
2021 thread – https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3912472
2019 thread - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3880845
2018 thread - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3845962

https://i.imgur.com/zrVWE5c.mp4
(Toby Greene ^)

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jan 6, 2022

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
AFLW 2022
The 2022 season will have the same 14 teams as 2021, with the final four teams entering in 2023 (Essendon, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Sydney).

The full fixture can be found here: https://www.womens.afl/matches/2022

These two articles give nice season previews for 2022:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/aflw-season-preview-footy-is-back-in-early-january-20211231-p59l2h.html
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/32756918/espn-2022-aflw-team-team-season-preview

The AFL also runs a Captains survey, asking the captains of the 14 competing teams some questions:

Which other team apart from your own is most likely to reach the Grand Final?
7 – Melbourne
5 – Brisbane
1 – Adelaide Crows
1 –Collingwood

Who will win the competition Best and Fairest?
2 - Bri Davey (Collingwood)
2 – Ellie Blackburn (Western Bulldogs)
2 – Kiara Bowers (Fremantle)
1 – Jasmine Garner (North Melbourne)
1 – Karen Paxman (Melbourne)
1 – Chloe Molloy (Collingwood)
1 – Monique Conti (Richmond)
1 – Alyce Parker (GWS GIANTS)
1 – Ebony Marnioff (Adelaide Crows)
1 - Brit Bonnici (Collingwood)
1 – Tyla Hanks (Melbourne)

Who will kick the most goals in the competition?
4 – Chloe Molloy (Collingwood)
3 – Darcy Vescio (Carlton)
2 – Isabel Huntington (Western Bulldogs)
1 – Tayla Harris (Melbourne)
1 – Jesse Wardlaw (Brisbane Lions)
1 – Kate Hore (Melbourne)
1 – Dakota Davidson (Brisbane Lions)
1 – Gemma Houghton (Fremantle)

Who will win the NAB AFL Women’s Rising Star?
10 – Georgie Prespakis (Geelong Cats)
1 – Ellie McKenzie (Richmond)
1 – Jess Fitzgerald (Western Bulldogs)
1 – Charlie Thomas (West Coat Eagles)
1 – Charlie Rowbottom (Gold Coast SUNS)

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Thanks to Hume for the previous year's thread which was the source of most of this year's content.

GO DEES



Hit me up here or on discord if I've hosed anything up in the OP that needs fixing.

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jan 6, 2022

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I’m looking forward to taking my 2 year old to his first matches. Probably start off with the AFLW since it’s out at Casey and he can just run around the outside of the ground when he’s a bit bored.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Paracausal posted:

Ba bada dadaaaaa

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
That was a fun first women’s game to go to, and a fun first match ever for my two year old to go to.

Melbourne really shouldn’t have put the rainbow texture on the numbers on the back of the jumpers though, made them basically illegible.

Go dees

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Darling etc are holding out for a different vaccine because they’re Joe Rogan level brain geniuses that know more about this than ATAGI do.

https://youtu.be/e2b973-12dI

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Media seems to be conflating two extremely different things with its reporting on Simon Goodwin today

One, that he drank and gambled with players in the 2020/21 off-season. Doesn’t seem a massive issue to me. Is more about the balance a coach needs to strike between connecting with players and maintaining some distance, and given the results last year it seems he struck a balance that works for his playing group. I can see some concern over the influence it might have on younger members of the playing group, but I guess they’re all adults at the end of the day? I don’t think the AFL really has a place in saying what level of casual socialisation is okay between players and coach.

The other issue is of alleged workplace bullying of the clubs head doctor by Goodw/in. This is extremely serious, and it appears the President at the time, who is also a lawyer in workplace issues, saw there was a lot to be concerned about in the allegations. Ultimately he got undermined and rolled by the CEO and other board members. It’s staggering to me that the club didn’t at the very least stand Goodwin down while investigating further. The entire thing looks like a massive coverup, they’ve signed a mutual non-disparagement agreement, and then immediately the CEO has started disparaging the doctors character to the Board. Guess I will be voting in the board election after all.

It was nice having a club I wasn’t ashamed of for a good couple months.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Tayla Harris has been in really good form this season, great threat in the forward 50 and can run to create a target coming out of defence too.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I think it would be a good pickup for Geelong and good for daisy (apart from the drive to/from Geelong-bright every week if she did the same setup she does now). She’s been in Melbourne’s system to some degree since the start of the exhibition matches, and I reckon very few people have benefited from sitting around the same club going from player to coaching.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

cmndstab posted:

Is she planning to continue on as a player? Could be awkward when she plays against Geelong. I know the men's and women's teams are separate but still.

Widely believed that this will be her last year playing

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BrigadierSensible posted:

That would be a great loss. Daisy is very very good at providing actual football analysis.

Has she ever been let up into the main booth, or is she always down on the boundary? I can't remember.

She’ll be part of the main commentary team for Friday nights this season(assuming she doesn’t take the Geelong job)

I feel like I’ve heard her as part of the box before but couldn’t be 100% certain

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
The one thing I can take out of tonight’s match is fan abuse of umpires is going to be okay off the loving chain based on the new 50 rules

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
The fox footy doco on melbournes premiership is fantastic

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

harperdc posted:

sounds like Paddy McCartin will play for the Swans this weekend, hopeful he stays healthy and can actually contribute. five years since his last game.

otherwise excited for the Saints to start on a Friday night.

Hopefully he stops punching other people in the head

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Dr. Dirt posted:

I’m at the MCG, waiting to see a flag unfurled with my name on it.

Go Dees!

ngl teared up when they announced Jonesy

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I want this feeling for saints fans

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

harperdc posted:

doesn't look like the MCG is really full though, are there restrictions on numbers into matches still?

It’s not full, but the members wing is pretty packed (that’s where the cameras are sat so you don’t really see it). The dogs cheer squad end is pretty bare, and the other wing is maybe 60-75% full on the bottom 3 levels.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
58000 not a great crowd, but it is a Wednesday i guess

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

thepokey posted:

Tell us what you really think, Bevo

biggest sook since ross lyon

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I think they’re both gigantic fuckwits

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
If Carlton manage to knock off the dogs next week (honestly possible if Naughton doesn’t kick 4+) and hawks the next week then in the space of 4 weeks they’ll have beaten the 21,20,19,17,16,15,14 and 13 premiers. Lid will be in outer space

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

monolithburger posted:

On the one hand lol get hosed Richmond, on the other I'm not looking forward to the media wide dack-spoofing over Carlton (not that they weren't great tonight, but come on it's round one)

Nah I’m extremely looking forward to it because it will get all the carrrton fans to emotionally buy in

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Just a reminder that a north(I think) player got paid deliberate when having a shot for goal. Nothing will ever top that

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

monolithburger posted:

Both of these teams finished top 4 last year.

Essendon made finals last year :chanpop:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Adelaide and Melbourne finish 1st and 2nd and have to go into the prelim completely cold with their last game 3 weeks prior, while their opponents will have had the one week freshen up you’re supposed to get as a reward for your home and away season. Good poo poo AFLW

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Diet Crack posted:

Who do we think wins the spoon this year? As an Eagles supporter I'd say we're in with a pretty drat good shot.

We're definitely going to get more soft tissues with our old as gently caress list, compounded with all the outs to the midfield already. We'll get kerbstomped by the likes of the dogs/dees/cats

The weekend showed the spoon is North’s to lose imo.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
lol Rioli gets off, the AFL is a joke and will be absolutely smashed by a lawsuit for how trivially they address potential head injuries

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Mitch Robinson, who was stationary by the time contact was made is banned.

Willie Rioli, who gave his best Darren Milburn impression, gets off

Absolute loving clowncar tribunal

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
If the AFL is serious about protecting a player in Rowell’s position, like they say they are, then there’s really only two things they can do

1) the tribunal hosed up, our current rules are strong enough but they were misapplied, we are appealing the tribunals verdict
Or
2) our rules don’t have the level of protection we intended, and left room open for the tribunal to make a decision we never would have intended or predicted, we’re rewriting the rules

The only third option is they’re actually fine with a player getting flattened like that, which, okay, but is at odds with what they’ve said so far in this incident and with regards to head contact for the last ten years

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Forum Joe posted:

Based on how Buddy is playing and also how Sydney is playing around him (and how the umpire read the script) is anyone else feeling like all this loving hype over Buddy kicking the kilo is just like your frail grandad’s 90th birthday?
He’s almost got it, he just might make it, and if everyone* looks after him he just might get there…

*umpires not withstanding

Nope, just you.

I’m not sure about greatest player of all time, I probably still lean towards Carey. But over the course of their career there is no player I would want to turn up and watch more than Buddy. What a loving gift to footy fans, and his renaissance last year and this has been glorious.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

snaeksikn posted:

Luke Jackson breaking out some Nic Nat tricks

West coast are going to chuck $1.5m at him imo because he’s a ready made replacement

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Nice of Melbourne and the Suns to have their own retro round and replay one of their games from ~2012

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I think it’s hilarious that the AFL finally scheduled a Friday night showdown, and both teams are in the bottom 4 and it’s not even the main broadcast match due to the overlap with another Friday game (which I can’t even remember them doing before)

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I think it’s because the AFLW grand final was originally supposed to be played on Saturday until they delayed the prelim because of Collingwood

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

thepokey posted:

I'm curious about the discrepancy between frees being paid one way for something like a holding the ball or head high and then not being paid for an almost identical incident soon after. What I'm most curious about is are you more likely to see discrepancy in the decisions when its being called by 2 different umpires, or is 1 umpire as likely to make the 2 different calls?

I think that the combination of 3 field umpires, and the various different angles an umpire can get caught in, how many players end up in the way, etc. make it basically impossible to have a decently informed opinion from watching the tv.

Honestly even with a competent broadcast setup it would be challenging to really get a sense of how the game is going in many respects, with what we’ve got currently there’s no hope.

Also the no dissent change is one of the best things the afl has done in a long time. It took one practice game (well for richmond it took a real game too), and players have completely figured out that it’s not worth it to act like a loving goose. In addition to it setting a better example for junior leagues it got pretty old to see players losing their poo poo at an umpire instead of resetting themselves for the next play.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Paddy Mccartin is a jet

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Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

snaeksikn posted:

Imagine if the dogs lost after being 4.13 to 2.3 in the third quarter

I can give you three reasons that won’t happen

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