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Bad Purchase posted:the more contagious = less deadly thing is mostly a myth, op. How do you qualify this, doctor?
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The coolest virus to have atm is Original COVID. Very rare and hard to come by. Most people settle for the watered down knock off version but trust me if you're a real enthusiast like myself, then you know what I'm talking about.
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Jan 16, 2022 20:42
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mkvltra posted:How do you qualify this, doctor? i give it my golden seal
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Jan 16, 2022 20:43
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mkvltra posted:How do you qualify this, doctor? Ebola is also highly contagious
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Jan 16, 2022 20:49
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Isn't Spanish Flu basically still with us, in a greatly mutated form from the original strain?
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Jan 16, 2022 20:50
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Bula Vinaka posted:Isn't Spanish Flu basically still with us, in a greatly mutated form from the original strain? Yes  Here is a comic about the debate over wearing masks and stopping the spread of contagion from 100 years ago
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Jan 16, 2022 20:52
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Heath posted:Ebola is also highly contagious We're talking about COVID
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Jan 16, 2022 20:55
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lol I wonder if any of the giant pharmaceutical corporations have been sponsoring politicans to write all of the regulations requiring vaccines to access every day life. dont worry though because it will be the government legislating itself into a forever subscription to purchase the vaccines and paying the bill for you.
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Jan 16, 2022 20:56
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Covid is not a respiratory disease. It just has early stages where it looks like one. Polio has the same mildness as Covid and almost the same effects. Covid is more like polio than the cold. It is only mild if you think of it as a respiratory disease which is foolish to do
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Jan 16, 2022 20:57
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Heath posted:Ebola is also highly contagious But not as contagious as a cold virus. The reason it spread so much in Sierra Leone is there is a strong tradition of touching and even kissing the face or mouth as part of a funeral & mourning. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...082e_story.html "There are very strong traditional beliefs and traditional funeral rites which require that the whole family touch the dead body,” he said in an interview, “and they have a meal in the presence of the dead body."
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Jan 16, 2022 20:57
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Bula Vinaka posted:Isn't Spanish Flu basically still with us, in a greatly mutated form from the original strain? it was an H1N1 influenza, if that's what you mean, and a good example that mutations can and do occur that make a virus more dangerous without being less transmissible.
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Jan 16, 2022 20:57
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mkvltra posted:We're talking about COVID Yes, but the response is to "more contagious = less deadly is a myth." Contagion is not an indicator of severity or deadliness
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Jan 16, 2022 21:00
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Yes, it's just a "common cold." A "common cold" my wife and I have had for 15 days now. I'm so purely tired of all the toxic masculine bullshit from people saying they got over covid in 48 hours. I seriously doubt any of those people even got tested to see if it was covid or just seasonal allergies.
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Jan 16, 2022 21:01
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It's not a common cold now, but shouldn't it eventually mutate into the equivalent of one? (Which is what I'm wondering about!)
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Jan 16, 2022 21:04
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Bula Vinaka posted:It's not a common cold now, but shouldn't it eventually mutate into the equivalent of one? (Which is what I'm wondering about!) You're shoulding all over yourself It might do that but there's no reason to assume it will
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Jan 16, 2022 21:08
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Bula Vinaka posted:It's not a common cold now, but shouldn't it eventually mutate into the equivalent of one? (Which is what I'm wondering about!) No. What you're asking is whether or not it will become endemic, and the answer is yes, eventually, but all that means is that is basically de facto exists within the population the way a common cold does. That does not necessarily indicate anything else about its effects, severity, or the possibility for future mutations. That process, however, takes decades, especially in the absence of effective vaccines. What does change is how we treat the illness caused by the virus. Flu has gotten less deadly due to a combination of better treatment, vaccines, and the general improvement of human health over time.
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Jan 16, 2022 21:11
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Bula Vinaka posted:It's not a common cold now, but shouldn't it eventually mutate into the equivalent of one? (Which is what I'm wondering about!) what mechanism do you believe is forcing this to occur? i mean, sure, given enough dice rolls you could end up with a covid19 variant that is about as sever as a "common cold" (which is also hard to pin down, since there are so many different cold viruses, some of which are other coronaviruses). it could also mutate to be more like SARS or MERS, or some completely new thing. usually when you hear someone say that viruses always mutate over time to be less deadly, the rationale they use is that it's an evolutionary disadvantage to kill the infected before they can spread the virus. that's true, but covid takes weeks to kill you right now and it's highly transmissible before you feel too bad to go out in public. it has a lot of headroom to get worse before patient behavior begins to work against transmission rates. if you are implying some other biological mechanism, what is it?
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Jan 16, 2022 21:12
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Methanar posted:lol I wonder if any of the giant pharmaceutical corporations have been sponsoring politicans to write all of the regulations requiring vaccines to access every day life. dont worry though because it will be the government legislating itself into a forever subscription to purchase the vaccines and paying the bill for you. who cares nobody
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Jan 16, 2022 21:15
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Uh the common cold IS a coronavirus libtard. Do your own research! *shoves plunger filled with  up rear end in a top hat, coughs up lung tissue*
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Jan 16, 2022 21:16
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Outrail posted:You slowed the spread and helped the hospitals from being even more overrun than they were/are. That may have saved a bed for lifesaving treatment of a cancer patient or car crash victim or something. Just because you don't know the specific benefit of your actions, in aggregate it still matters. That actually does make me feel better, too. Thanks.
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Jan 16, 2022 21:16
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Yeah I guess that's poor word choice... but I've heard from multiple sources that viruses ***tend*** to be less deadly the more contagious they are (obviously not **always**), so I'm thinking that since omicron seems to be less deadly, then hopefully that's what's happening?
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Jan 16, 2022 21:18
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Methanar posted:lol I wonder if any of the giant pharmaceutical corporations have been sponsoring politicans to write all of the regulations requiring vaccines to access every day life. dont worry though because it will be the government legislating itself into a forever subscription to purchase the vaccines and paying the bill for you. if you want to go full  , vaccines aren't a great investment for big pharma. governments buy vaccines at something like $15/dose. compare that to new antiviral treatments or monoclonal antibodies -- they bill hundreds or thousands per treatment. they'd be much better off backing the Florida approach, where regulations prevent businesses and public spaces from enforcing vaccine and mask requirements, and the state buys all of the monoclonal antibody treatment they can pump out at ridiculous prices (about $2k per dose) and give it to the unvaccinated.Last I saw, FL had spent $244M on monoclonal antibodies (and had reserved another ~$600M for the rest of the year). That bought a few hundred thousand doses of antibodies, but would've been enough to buy vaccines for about half the state's population.
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Bula Vinaka posted:Yeah I guess that's poor word choice... but I've heard from multiple sources that viruses ***tend*** to be less deadly the more contagious they are (obviously not **always**), so I'm thinking that since omicron seems to be less deadly, then hopefully that's what's happening? It hasn't even started to happen so far. Compared to alpha, omicron is:
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Bad Purchase posted:if you want to go full I'd be very surprised if the vaccines were only $15/dose considering the bidding wars over them, between countries even US states themselves. At $15 a pop, and two boosters a year that's about 10 billion dollars a year for the entire US population. Not bad for an annual subscription service of a captive market where it's becoming increasingly illegal to not participate. I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies (who were the bad guys back in 2019 btw) are happy to sell both vaccines and treatments. Methanar fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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The ICU admissions from Omicron are all milder. Also those deaths from it were milder deaths. Open Biden
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yoloer420 posted:It hasn't even started to happen so far. Compared to alpha, omicron is: the first bullet is not really relevant to op's question -- the vaccine was made for a different version of the virus. it would be like saying that the flu is more dangerous than polio because it's not affected by the polio vaccine. eventually we'll probably get a covid vaccine that covers more variants. do you have good sources for the 2nd and 3rd bullet? so far, the peak of the omicron wave is like 3 or 4x higher in case count, but hospitalizations and deaths are not up by that much. they are, of course, lagging indicators and there's a lot more people vaccinated or who have some immunity from a prior infection now, which makes it very difficult to directly compare numbers from prior waves. i think it is too soon to say with certainty whether, in a vacuum, omicron less dangerous than the original or alpha strain. in practice, it does look like omicron is less severe (if nothing else, due to a more hardened population). the fourth bullet is obviously true.
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yoloer420 posted:It hasn't even started to happen so far. Compared to alpha, omicron is: The first three are either partially correct or not evidenced unless you only read doomer poo poo on CSPAM
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yoloer420 posted:It hasn't even started to happen so far. Compared to alpha, omicron is: keep scaring yourself on the internet instead of enjoying your life
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:keep scaring yourself on the internet instead of enjoying your life
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ChudTheUnavoidable posted:keep scaring yourself on the internet instead of enjoying your life Fixed that username for you.
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Sorry friends, you're correct. It's just a cold. Please proceed as normal.Bad Purchase posted:do you have good sources for the 2nd and 3rd bullet? No good sources sorry. I'd read in a few places that Delta was 2x as bad for deaths and hospitalisation compared to OG variant and that Omicron was half as bad for deaths and hospitalisation as Delta. I did the math and ended up with that. It may just be bullshit. yoloer420 fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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Jan 16, 2022 22:00
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:keep scaring yourself on the internet instead of enjoying your life
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The Saxecutioner posted:Fixed that username for you. that’s really funny you should post more
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Methanar posted:I'd be very surprised if the vaccines were only $15/dose considering the bidding wars over them, between countries even US states themselves. you missed the point, but ok, you're not wrong that huge corporations are amoral and profit driven and it would've been better if governments had forced them to sell the vaccines at cost. but a vaccine isn't bad just because it was produced through the system of capitalism, and vaccinating a population against a dangerous disease isn't a bad thing just because the ceo of pfizer gets rich in the process. a $15, or $20, or $30 (or whatever price quibbling you seem to want to do) investment once or twice per year per person is basically nothing. even if only 1 out of ~100 of those shots prevents the need for a monoclonal antibody dose that year, it was a good investment. if even 1 out of 1000 of those shots prevents a hospitalization, it was a good investment. and that's just looking at the basic economics. there are also a lot of lives that have been and will be saved by vaccination, which is even more valuable and important.
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The Saxecutioner posted:Fixed that username for you. actually pathetic
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I opened this thread expecting Goatsé, and was disappointed after I read through , that is all (Not tacit permission to post the goat man)
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Heath posted:Yes, but the response is to "more contagious = less deadly is a myth." Contagion is not an indicator of severity or deadliness Yes, true. Sorry lol I usually don't have much input of my own to contribute to topics like this so I revert to asking silly questions or asserting silly / inflammatory points
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mkvltra posted:Yes, true. Sorry lol I usually don't have much input of my own to contribute to topics like this so I revert to asking silly questions or asserting silly / inflammatory points I will never disparage a Mr. Saturn fan
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:keep scaring yourself on the internet instead of enjoying your life Are you enjoying your life?
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