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I mean, I still use it so yeah probably. It's fun to use.
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Lady Radia posted:wasm still aint quite there. but i am counting the days. wasm + wasi will replace docker if wasi ever becomes a real thing
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Apr 23, 2022 22:20
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Lady Radia posted:no, the competitor to vscode is jetbrains' solution to a particular framework. yeah, as a webstorm replacement it's fine for peeping a jsx or whatever the big sell for us is it's a good free editor made by a big company and it runs on all the major platforms. it became a default app in our dev system images in the last two years, replacing notepad++ and polite shrugs if you weren't on windows if anyone needs more all the regular players are available
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Apr 23, 2022 22:25
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the text editor wars are now between kate and geany
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Apr 23, 2022 23:24
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Shaggar posted:vs 2022 writes your code for you now. its amazing how good the "AI" suggestions are. This poo poo is actually uncanny. I'm stunned at how much I end up using the suggestion, and I'm stunned at how accurate it is. I really, really wish it was good at MVVM WPF boilerplate though (it is not). I'm really sick of writing this poo poo code:Canine Blues Arooo fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Apr 23, 2022 23:25
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i think what makes it work is they've limited the scope to high confidence suggestions to prevent people from getting frustrated and turning it off. it very rarely suggests something wrong and even then its still something that makes sense in context. i havent seen it suggest outright garbage at all. my guess is once people are satisfied with the basics they'll start training it on more complex templates. similar to your mvvm example, I spent the last 2 weeks writing JsonProperty over and over and it never tried helping with that. some of the suggestions have been nuts though. like seemingly it had no context at all and then gave me the exact statement i was gonna type and i have no idea how it did it. it has to be getting some context clues from your overall project and project type, but even then a few of the suggestions seemed like straight up mind reading.
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Apr 24, 2022 00:44
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idk, maybe that poo poo'll get better, but my experience has been that lsp and domain-specific intellisense is way more useful than ai-based helpers like copilot or whatever
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Apr 24, 2022 01:46
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seriously, in the few projects where i tried copilot, it made terrible suggestions
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Apr 24, 2022 01:48
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i was in the beta tests and i eventually turned it completely off because it was loving up my day jobs
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Apr 24, 2022 01:49
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yeah everything i saw wrt copilot was trash which makes the VS stuff even more surprising. i imagine that using a real language like c# instead of a toy p-lang helps a bunch. the VS stuff is more like next level intellisense rather than copilot which seems to be "idk, copy random poo poo from github into your code".
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Apr 24, 2022 01:56
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Shaggar posted:yeah everything i saw wrt copilot was trash which makes the VS stuff even more surprising. i imagine that using a real language like c# instead of a toy p-lang helps a bunch. c# is thoroughly defined. vs integrates with it absolutely completely. we can fight about how well vscode does the same thing with other languages, on some levels it's p good, but one thing i'll absolutely scream is that copilot tries to use ai to reach that level of understanding with p-langs and fails miserably
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Apr 24, 2022 02:02
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there's something bad to be said about a tool that suggests code that fails to compile, compared to a tool that at the very least knows not to suggest code that fails to compile
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Apr 24, 2022 02:07
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i’m not surprised that c# developers can easily be replaced by ai
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Apr 24, 2022 09:22
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I once read a book on c# because I wanted to be a dev but I didn’t now im next to worthless god drat I wish I wrote code
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Apr 24, 2022 16:09
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just do the javascript maze on the back of the cereal box and get a job making react apps. like me!  you don't even need to finish the maze!
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Apr 24, 2022 20:11
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Gentle Autist posted:i’m not surprised that c# developers can easily be replaced by ai loving lol if you think any developer is spending the majority of their time solving real problems
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Apr 24, 2022 22:22
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AI is very good at generating mindless repetitive boilerplate code so it's a great fit for C#
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Apr 25, 2022 01:05
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hipsters write fortran with their portable keypunches in coffee shops and call a pager number to have a courier come get the card deck and run it on a 1401 emulated on a pi and then bring them the greenbar and output deck back to wherever they happen to be 8 hours later.
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Apr 25, 2022 12:35
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oh this? it's just my abacus. yeah you probably haven't heard of it before
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Apr 25, 2022 12:47
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{one, two, many} are enough integers for anyone
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Apr 25, 2022 12:54
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fresh_cheese posted:{one, two, many} are enough integers for anyone "According to Everett in 1986, Pirahã has words for 'one' (hói) and 'two' (hoí), distinguished only by tone. In his 2005 analysis, however, Everett said that Pirahã has no words for numerals at all, and that hói and hoí actually mean "small quantity" and "larger quantity"."
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Apr 25, 2022 13:45
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Buck Turgidson posted:oh this? it's just my abacus. yeah you probably haven't heard of it before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FetVWSsj77M good channel btw
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Progressive JPEG posted:i'm working on some typescript node stuff atm and it's just not clear why would you do this instead of just using any of the better language/environment/tooling/ecosystems that are available there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript. 1. if you write reasonably complex things for the web you have to know javascript. even if you use a fancy dan transpilation language like elm or clojurescript or whatever you still gotta know the underlying js or you are in for a world of hurt and you can't use anyone else's poo poo 2. if you want your cool react web app to work properly for crawlers you need to do universal rendering, so the server has to do javascript anyway 3. backends are just a thin, easy layer of glue between your front end, totally managed PaaSes, auth providers and hosted serverless databases/document stores so it's insane to break out another language for that anyway. edge compute is amazing now, essentially a bit of browser that you can trust. and a lot of the time you can eliminate backend code entirely 4. why would you make it so any percentage of your team couldn't work on any part of the project, because: 5. if you can get, effectively, a mid-level full stack engineer for the price (and ubiquity) of a javascript developer you would be a raving madman not to i hate it, really, i like being a polyglot and i keep going at work 'hey wow elixir is really cool and performant' and 'rust sure has a lot of people who are in to it hey' and they're like ahahah yeah get back to typescripting. and they're right
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fresh_cheese posted:hipsters write fortran with their portable keypunches in coffee shops and call a pager number to have a courier come get the card deck and run it on a 1401 emulated on a pi and then bring them the greenbar and output deck back to wherever they happen to be 8 hours later. i unironically want this so loving bad
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Apr 25, 2022 15:42
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chaosbreather posted:there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript.
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chaosbreather posted:there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript. "but doctor," the patient sobbed, "i work for the paas provider!"
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Apr 25, 2022 16:17
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chaosbreather posted:there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript. Ah, the Joker to shaggar’s .batman
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chaosbreather posted:there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript. so do you do anything except build crud apis or e: this sounds meaner than i meant it to im sorry
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chaosbreather posted:there honestly isn't a business case for writing server software in anything except javascript/typescript. loving lul God forbid you want anything to be performant ever for any reason
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:loving lul thats not really the lul imo but theres plenty to go around
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i'm trying to think how much money you'd have to pay me to write JS ever again. the number is probably north of 500k. i wouldn't do a very good job either.
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:i'm trying to think how much money you'd have to pay me to write JS ever again. the number is probably north of 500k. i wouldn't do a very good job either. as OP mentioned, using js to write servers is a strategy to "save money" by having your entry-level javascript-only developers try their hand at more expensive server dev using a runtime and ecosystem that's designed for web browsers so its pretty much mutually exclusive with employers that would rather save money by paying 500k for experienced devs
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Progressive JPEG posted:as OP mentioned, using js to write servers is a strategy to "save money" by having your entry-level javascript-only developers try their hand at more expensive server dev using a runtime and ecosystem that's designed for web browsers the joke is that fronted development is just as demanding as backend development if not more so
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akadajet posted:the joke is that fronted development is just as demanding as backend development if not more so yeah and backend people like to pretend this isn't true for  reasons imo
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if all you're doing is maintaining a crud app that serves 5 qps then using javascript is probably a fine way to save money since that kind of thing is pretty much a solved problem in any language, so it doesn't hurt to just use what the entry-level javascript-only devs that you exclusively hire already know but it quickly falls apart for the project when you get out of the world of trivial crud apps. suddenly your entry-level devs are faced with having to reinvent, debug, and maintain things that have already been done better in langs/runtimes/ecosystems, ultimately taking more time than just using the right tools for the job but giving your developers the opportunity to learn the right tools and practices would mean that suddenly they aren't entry-level anymore and can move on to someplace that's less stingy, and who would want that?
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akadajet posted:the joke is that fronted development is just as demanding as backend development if not more so yeah totally, but that's different from requiring that everyone only learn and use a single tool for everything, regardless of whether it's appropriate. i don't think that an entire company needs to be e.g. using server tools to build their UIs either. i think a better model is to just pick suitable tools that match requirements, and to hire based on ability to learn
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Progressive JPEG with the good posts
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posts like once a month but they're always bangers
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Did you know? Progressive JPEG's avatar is actually a gif
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Gentle Autist posted:Progressive JPEG with the good posts rotor posted:Did you know? Progressive JPEG's avatar is actually a gif
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