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I mean the point is to drive subscriber growth so I'm not sure what anyone expected?
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I ain't subscribing to Netflix, though, because i think 99% of what they put out is crap. So all Netflix is doing is making me torrent it, where if it was in the theater i would def. see it. As said earlier, Streaming services execs are dumb as gently caress.
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Dec 6, 2022 15:37
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enigmahfc posted:I ain't subscribing to Netflix, though, because i think 99% of what they put out is crap. So all Netflix is doing is making me torrent it, where if it was in the theater i would def. see it. Ok? Then you clearly aren't the target user. And they're not going to change their business model to try to appease people that are never going to subscribe anyway.
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Dec 6, 2022 15:49
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I think the point is that focusing on putting it on streaming is unlikely to yield many new subscriptions versus a more traditional release schedule followed by streaming, so by focusing on the former they're leaving a lot of money on the table. Yes, that is the executives' plans, the argument is that it's a bad plan and they should focus on how to get money from people that won't ever subscribe because they're already getting just about as much as they can from the people who would subscribe.
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^^^ this. BonoMan posted:Ok? Then you clearly aren't the target user. And they're not going to change their business model to try to appease people that are never going to subscribe anyway. or they could.....i don't know; put in in theaters for a month (where they can make money from people seeing it in Theaters) or so then go to stream it on Netflix exclusively instead of having it out for a weekend then having it play literally no where for a month (where they make no money from people seeing it in theaters AND from no new people subscribing). I mean, i do not care one way or the other, but Netflix is stupid is as gently caress. Nothing really changes that. enigmahfc fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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I don't really want Netflix to collapse because then who knows what's going to happen to the handful of their movies I like, such as Glass Onion and presumably Untitled Knives Out Sequel (2025).
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Baron von Eevl posted:I don't really want Netflix to collapse because then who knows what's going to happen to the handful of their movies I like, such as Glass Onion and presumably Untitled Knives Out Sequel (2025). Ideally, someone would buy the rights to the catalogue. After Quibi failed, their library was bought by Roku.
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And if not, we always have the pirates of the seven seas.
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The thing is even with a recent drop off Netflix is kinda close to full market saturation- there just aren’t that many new customers to get in North America, so I doubt Glass Onion will yield that much in new/returning subs vs how much they could have made with a normal theatrical release (or even just two weeks as opposed to one!)
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Maxwell Lord posted:The thing is even with a recent drop off Netflix is kinda close to full market saturation- there just aren’t that many new customers to get in North America, so I doubt Glass Onion will yield that much in new/returning subs vs how much they could have made with a normal theatrical release (or even just two weeks as opposed to one!) Didn't a Netflix CEO just say they regret having no ads and will be rectifying that? I hate when idk Hulu or whatever has something good I want to watch or you just do a search from Roku and it ends up the show you want to see has ads. At first it's nostalgic but the 8th time you see this woman advocating Mexican avocadoes it becomes annoying. And then you realize you could get up and make some guac but your Californian avocadoes are not ripe yet and it's just a big tiresome mess.
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Netflix is running into that problem where instead of making a normal annual profit the shareholders demand infinite growth so you have to spend more money than you have hoping that targeted ads at tweens and holiday movies written by algorithms will somehow generate exponential quarterly revenue
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Another point I've seen people make regarding theatrical vs streaming is I can and frequently do see the same movie multiple times in a theater. I can't buy another netflix subscription.
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Wolfsheim posted:Netflix is running into that problem where instead of making a normal annual profit the shareholders demand infinite growth so you have to spend more money than you have hoping that targeted ads at tweens and holiday movies written by algorithms will somehow generate exponential quarterly revenue That's the problem with corporate law in general.
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Pingiivi posted:Aren't these limited releases pretty much "we showed them in a theatre, so now it's eligible for Oscar nominations"-things? It was kind of a wide release for that, 700 theaters. That’s like a typical indie release, just a lot shorter and with no possible expansion. Maybe it was contractual with Rian Johnson?
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Netflix is a godsend for people like me with a toddler, since it well be years before I can actually go to a theater again.
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ymgve posted:And if not, we always have the pirates of the seven seas. Would people do that? Just go on the internet and steal things?
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1600148805067972608 I think Mindy Kaling might be an idiot. I've been made aware of "the sex lives of college girls" and it possibly has the most annoying characters of any show this side of WB poo poo.
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You probably couldn't do some of the early "wow Michael is an idiot" bits from early on, but like that's not really a bad thing. Some of that poo poo is rough.
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Dec 6, 2022 22:38
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Amsterdam is on hbo now. It's supremely entertaining
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I've been hearing some iffy things and I didn't like American Hustle at all other than like J-Law and Joe Pesci hair Jeremy Renner. Is it so bad it's good or? Just very melodramatic and stylish and fun?
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It's fine, it's like the opposite of a heist movie. There are a few good performances and it's well constructed, just kind of unremarkable. There's Amy Adams sideboob, but on the downside there's also Louis CK. It's like a solid B-.
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Edit I completely misunderstood and thought you were asking about American Hustle
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1600148805067972608 Is she wrong? I'm trying to imagine a show in 2022 doing the race episode where Michael wants people to act out stereotypes. It would blow up so fast.
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Generally things that "you couldn't make today" are things that don't hold up today. Thr thing about edgy comedy is literally no one thatfinds a joke funny will be offended by it. If they're offended it's because you weren't funny.
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Baron von Eevl posted:You probably couldn't do some of the early "wow Michael is an idiot" bits from early on, but like that's not really a bad thing. Some of that poo poo is rough. It makes the first episode of the Hindi version so interesting, I only get some of the racist tropes and then the rest are just kind of bizarre
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What about Jim repeatedly creepin on the secretary who is also engaged to someone else at the company
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precision posted:Amsterdam is on hbo now. It's supremely entertaining Except Taylor Swift is laughably bad.
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Chaotic Flame posted:Is she wrong? I'm trying to imagine a show in 2022 doing the race episode where Michael wants people to act out stereotypes. It would blow up so fast. Eh, sort of. You can really still make anything, but it's unlikely something with high visibility that is backed by some big media conglomerate will be willing to do anything that might get the wrong kind of attention on Twitter. I was just watching that Reno 911 Qanon movie that came out last year and it's chalked full of stuff that isn't even remotely PC, but it's all so tongue in cheek only an idiot would be mad about it. And afaik no one was mad about it. I'm not sure anyone watched it though lol. it's actually really funny even if it's dumb as hell. There's literally media empires that are devoted to hate speech in tyool 2022 (which sucks) so I have hard time relating to people claiming that you "can't make" things anymore. But tbh I do get why so many people seem collectively exhausted with so much entertainment feeling like it's designed by committee to be a PC as possible, because that poo poo just feels so corny and inauthentic and everywhere.
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The office isn’t half as offensive as Always Sunny is and that poo poo is going strong
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I do think there’s a difference in framing between The Office and Sunny. The depravity of the Sunny characters, and the fact that they’re always in the wrong in the worst way possible, is what makes them funny. You don’t feel warm and fuzzy about them, whereas Michael is a beloved character, and the show leans a lot on the “well, he MEANS well” excuse to handwave away a lot of his garbage behavior. And in TYOOL 2022, “(s)he means well” isn’t the pass it was even a few years ago.
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For me I guess Michael has always been a character that has a lot of layers and most of them are poo poo. But I think he paints a fairly realistic idiot that I find interesting. I think it’s less he means well and more he’s just really inept with a lot of things due to a weird childhood and just being in his own bubble. There’s a deep sadness there which is why I think despite it maybe leaning too hard at the end, kinda works that he has some ok relationships with his coworkers because my god is he kind of a pathetic basket case. I’ve burned through the show a lot and I don’t think it’s aged badly. Some stuff for sure but The show never paints really anything Michael does as good. He’s almost always the butt of the drama or the outright villain. So I don’t know if I disagree with Mindy but idk. I think the Jim Pam stuff aged the worst in terms of still finding it cute, but I do find it way more interesting because it’s really kind of sad ultimately.
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CelticPredator posted:The office isn’t half as offensive as Always Sunny is and that poo poo is going strong With multiple episodes pulled from streaming services
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The office has never been offensive. It’s like the safest poo poo they ever made.
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Yeah it’s always sunny has something like 8 episodes removed from their streaming catalog and if you listen to their podcast they admit that a lot of the early episodes wouldn’t fly today and they actually agree that there is a lot of problematic stuff in the early seasons they regret doing
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henkman posted:With multiple episodes pulled from streaming services Well it's like, we know they're monstrous idiots, so the blackface is okay because they are bad people obviously do something really bad? But not really. I don't understand how Tropic Thunder goes under the radar tho. People love that poo poo.
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It’s just harder to cancel a movie than disappearing a couple of episodes of a tv show.
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I think having a white character wearing blackface and being constantly called out on it is generally more acceptable; if a character gets obvious pushback in the movie or show it makes a difference to how people perceive something versus just "well, you're supposed to think they're in the wrong." I guess Tom Cruise was supposed to be Harvey Weinstein specifically, but I thought his "aggressive and greedy (((Hollywood producer)))" character was way more problematic than RDJ's "white actor who is a privileged idiot but thinks he's brilliant."
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Baron von Eevl posted:I guess Tom Cruise was supposed to be Harvey Weinstein specifically, but I thought his "aggressive and greedy (((Hollywood producer)))" character was way more problematic than RDJ's "white actor who is a privileged idiot but thinks he's brilliant." Yea I think the issue with the Cruise character is they went out of their way to show he's Jewish, which I guess was supposed to more specifically reference Weinstein but if that was lost on you then the character becomes offensive.
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Outside of diversity day, the most offensive the office gets is some cringe "ew gross, a gay man" jokes that definitely wouldn't be made today but also are a far cry from ace Ventura or anything like that
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Baron von Eevl posted:I think having a white character wearing blackface and being constantly called out on it is generally more acceptable; if a character gets obvious pushback in the movie or show it makes a difference to how people perceive something versus just "well, you're supposed to think they're in the wrong." Very much agreed. The blackface was bad but the as you say ((())) is not a good look even if Harvey was a notorious POS.
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