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 Miscellaneous Racing Series 2022: How Soon is H? This is the Misc. Racing Thread, home for discussion of all kinds of racing that aren't Formula 1, IndyCar, or NASCAR. Feel free to post about sports car racing, touring cars, rallying, off-road racing, motocross, and anything else you can think of. So much good racing is available to watch (especially online officially) that we can share and discuss while enjoying speedy race cars.  So what kind of racing are you talking about here, then? We talk a lot about sports-car racing. It’s the racing, primarily on road and street courses, of cars which come closest in design and spirit to street cars. And at the top of sports cars are what’s called prototypes -- single-seat racers with closed tops and fenders. The Grand Prix cars of long-distance racing. But this is a place for all sorts of series: Australian Supercars, Japanese Super GT and Super Formula, the World Rally Championship, Supercross (I will get murdered if I don't mention or watch Supercross), and more. Why should I care about sports car racing?  There’s a wide variety -- of cars, drivers, locations, and of race distances. It’s where your favorite drivers from Formula 1, IndyCar and NASCAR past will wind up. Races are often long (6-, 12- and 24-hour races are not uncommon), and feature multiple types (classes) of car racing on the same track but in individual class battles alongside the overall ranking. The world of sports car racing tends to be friendlier and more approachable than other parts, while still attracting many colorful characters. Okay. So what's new for 2022? After two years of impact from COVID, this year might finally - finally - be a return to the 'normal' calendar and mix of international events. After two years later in the year, the 24 Hours of Le Mans is going to move back to its traditional June date, and the World Endurance Championship will hope to make some returns for the first time since 2019, including Sebring and Fuji. Major events like the Bathurst 12 Hours might also take place, even moved and with fewer of the international stars that make it truly special. As well, the shift to H will continue - the FIA WEC and IMSA top category is one year closer to being fully engaged in H. There was a start to it last year as Toyota and Glickenhaus both brought new Hypercar-class cars to the FIA WEC and Le Mans, but this year we have a second major automaker on the WEC entry list. But let me try to sum things up below: 
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So, what are the series I should know?   The FIA World Endurance Championship is the highest level of sports-car racing. It’s an FIA World Championship, same as Formula 1 and the World Rally Championship, which means a lot. The WEC schedule includes the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which means almost as much, if not more, as Le Mans remains a hugely popular event and a major marketing point for all these big manufacturers. The WEC features LM Hypercar cars, LMP2 cars, and two GT classes, and is pretty fun to watch. Its season is back to running during the calendar year, and though the first race is moved from Sebring to Portugal, it will continue on as a global championship this year.  Alongside the WEC is IMSA, which is based mainly in the United States but almost equal to the WEC in terms of longevity and prestige. Its a US and Canadian-based series, but many teams and drivers will also compete at Le Mans on an annual basis. IMSA also has a number of high-profile races: endurance epics include the 24 Hours of Daytona in January, the Sebring 12 Hours in March, and Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta in October, plus marquee shorter races at Long Beach, Road America, and more. Other regional series which are directly under the WEC and ACO (who co-organize the WEC along with the FIA) include the European Le Mans Series and Asian Le Mans Series, which both act as feeders of a sort to the World Endurance Championship and 24 Hours of Le Mans. There's no direct relegation/promotion, but teams gain experience in the regional series and sometimes step up to the WEC; also, all of IMSA, Asian Le Mans and European Le Mans all receive invites to the 24 Hours of Le Mans annually.  But there are other series in this sports car world! Many of them fall under a sports car rulebook called GT3. These are cars made by big companies (Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi) which are sold to customers. GT3 cars are expected to be balanced to achieve a similar level of performance -- in theory, a driver could take each of those cars around a track and get roughly the same lap time. This has led to a boom in series aimed to customers, as the cars are relatively affordable, well-built, fairly easy to drive (especially compared to customer cars from the 1970s and ‘80s) and eligible to race in a lot of exciting events. The 24 Hours races at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium and the Nurburgring in Germany, and also the 12 Hours of Bathurst in Australia are highlights for GT3-type racing worldwide. Great! So how/when do I watch? First, you need to know when a race is! Custard Undies recommended this link to Motorsport.com's schedule for racing series. Use it, learn it, love it. Because the sports-car world is so diverse, there’s a lot to watch. Happily, much of it is readily available online or even via YouTube.
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Other questions? Reach out and ask! Recommendations? Please suggest and we'll try to add them in. Come join us on Discord! https://discord.gg/kg3d2Uu Misc Threads of the Past Misc. Racing Thread 2021: Shifting to H Intensifies Misc Racing Thread 2020: Put it in H! Misc Racing Thread 2019: I woke up to a smoking hulk Misc Auto Racing 2018: Mazda gonna Mazda Misc Auto Racing 2017: gently caress off Whincup Misc Auto Racing 2016 : Downgraded From Silver Posters to Bronze Misc Auto Racing 2015: At least our criminals are non-violent Misc Auto Racing 2014: So long and thanks for all the McNish Misc Auto Racing 2013: Beware: Ferrari Ahead Misc. Auto Racing 2012: No War But Class War Sportscars 2011: Racing with Class (ILMC/ALMS/GrandAm) 2011 Daytona 24 Hours 2010 Daytona 24 Hours harperdc fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Other Wonderful Misfit Series of Note Sports car racing is a lot, but it's not all of what we cover/discuss in here. Here are some primers for other big series that fall under our umbrella. Formula E  The electric racing series Formula E had a reduced schedule in 2021, and is in a bit of a transition before the Gen3 rules come into effect. It's becoming a better and better series to watch, and hopefully they can make all of these events that are planned. The season is also set to start right away.
Super GT  Anime GT remains the absolute hipster choice for those who are into motorsports. The GR Supra joined the grid last year, and the new Fairlady Z will be replacing the GT-R for this year. Three manufacturers battling in the top class, active tire development by multiple manufacturers, and an incredibly varied GT3 and local class, the battles in Super GT are often spectacular. Do yourself a favor and find the championship finale from last year and just watch how it ended. This was true for 2020 and also for 2021. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wflbWc-2dH4
World Rally Championship  Another season, another win by Sebastien Ogier. Sigh. At least he's only doing a partial season for the Toyota team, because he is (apparently) going to be doing some WEC driving instead. This season for WRC has already started and the Monte Carlo Rally was very fun because this year we have  brand new cars . Yes, the WRC cars are also shifting into H - Hybrid, specifically, which gives them a boost for the beginning of a stage, and depending on how much can be harvested during the stage itself. They're then using the electric power to drive between stages on the road as well. Ford, Hyundai, and Toyota are the three factories running in Rally1 (previously called the WRC class), and the fastest of the three at the Monte was the smallest, Ford, which should provide some interesting results.
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This weekend is the Daytona 24 Hours, and they've already had a qualifying race to set the grid. It's now up on YouTube, let's see if this works for the Americans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYd-iB20BXg
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One day it will be in H. One day...
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Trying to get into WRC. It's a bit hard to follow, considering I'm limited to YouTube. Looking at the official channel, plus a pretty chatty channel called DirtFish. Any recommendations how to best follow?
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Supercross season is currently going and it's another year of a stacked field in the 450s leading to wild races. Would highly recommend checking it out if you like racing, NBC does a 15m highlight of each race and peacock has the entire broadcast replay. Races are generally Saturday nights.
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Mokotow posted:Trying to get into WRC. It's a bit hard to follow, considering I'm limited to YouTube. Looking at the official channel, plus a pretty chatty channel called DirtFish. Any recommendations how to best follow? i find myself asking this question every year. cause a lot of it is put the stream on with the best of intentions. watch the first 3 drives go. then get distracted and it becomes background noise. doesn't help when i open instagram and see spoilers immediately. i should probably mute wrc related accounts during the season.
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Best way to watch WRC is to watch the free ~25 minute daily highlight videos on RedBull TV. You can watch these in your browser, and there seems to be a RedBull TV app for most TV and console systems to watch them on those. https://www.redbull.com/ca-en/event-series/fia-world-rally-championship https://www.redbull.com/ca-en/apps Jehde fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Looking forward to Daytona it's always a great race.
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Mokotow posted:Trying to get into WRC. It's a bit hard to follow, considering I'm limited to YouTube. Looking at the official channel, plus a pretty chatty channel called DirtFish. Any recommendations how to best follow? I've subbed to WRC+ and I've loved every minute of it. But I also have weekends free to just sit back and watch them. But I love the coverage by them. Yeah, some of the commentary can be a little grating, but they give you so much content for a low price. You get access to some on-board cameras that you can watch in full, the stage coverage itself, post-race interviews, it's really cool. And it's all on-demand, so you don't even have to watch it live which is impossible for me in my region. I don't necessarily watch every single stage or every single driver. I'll usually skip through the more boring drivers (Fourmaux, Katsuda, Greensmith - unless they've crashed out.) I definitely avoid Instagram during a race weekend because that can spoil it pretty easily. DirtFish is probably the best for their write-ups. They really tease out drama that isn't really apparent at first glance, and they're close enough to the action that they'll sometimes give you nice behind-the-scenes stuff that WRC+'s coverage is missing. And the writers and editors obviously love being around the WRC and their enthusiasm really shows in their work. A few others have posted links to the RedBull site that gives nice summaries. A rally is long with however many cars going through in a day and with as many as eight stages in a day, yeah it can definitely be a lot. There were a few events last year where it was obvious who was going to win by Saturday, and those were usually the ones where I'd just tune out. Monte was pretty fun to watch though. It was awesome to see Loeb going full-tilt. Hyundai is in a poo poo position which was to be expected, and Thierry Neuville acting like a child (again) at the end really made me think even less of him. Especially when he said he was upset at Solberg pulling out when his car had been filled with fumes the whole weekend. Was incredibly interesting to see Ott Tanak talking with Malcolm Wilson in the background at the end of the event when they were interviewing all the M-Sport people. Ott hasn't really seemed happy at Hyundai the last two years, but he's still under contract until 2024 I believe. There were a few moments last year where Ott seemed untouchable, but his car would always end up failing. Kenya was a good example when he lost a minute because the defrost wasn't working on his windshield, but he ended up posting the fastest time in the Wolf Power Stage, and he seemed untouchable. Just watching him drive through some of those corners is burned in my memory because he went so damned fast.
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Misc. Racing Thread 2022: Preparation H
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Marty Crane posted:I've subbed to WRC+ and I've loved every minute of it. But I also have weekends free to just sit back and watch them. But I love the coverage by them. Yeah, some of the commentary can be a little grating, but they give you so much content for a low price. You get access to some on-board cameras that you can watch in full, the stage coverage itself, post-race interviews, it's really cool. And it's all on-demand, so you don't even have to watch it live which is impossible for me in my region. Thanks for the write up! I appreciate it!
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spaceblancmange posted:Misc. Racing Thread 2022: Preparation H yes sir
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So pumped for the return of endurance racing! Thanks for the effort again of the OP harperdc 
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as the Daytona 24 is coming this weekend, that means plenty of other news is coming alongside... IMSA confirmed that its top prototype class will be called GTP from next year, which is taking it back to the pre-World Sports Car days and a welcome return. So GTP will include LMH and LMDh spec cars both. Simple! https://twitter.com/marshallpruett/status/1486840787778224129?s=20&t=sqqRXeVQqv1DQYrtdTtWvA As well, IMSA purchased Historic Sportscar Racing, bringing a group which organizes historic racing using IMSA relevant cars into the fold officially. It's an interesting change, because this is the first time I've heard of a professional racing organization bringing a historic group officially in-house. Custard Undies posted:So pumped for the return of endurance racing! you are very welcome  also thanks for the thread title correction ideas.
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The MX-5 race in the wet this evening was wild. If you all are sleeping on it, don't. They're racing again tomorrow at 10am
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:The MX-5 race in the wet this evening was wild. If you all are sleeping on it, don't. They're racing again tomorrow at 10am Big co-sign, very silly and good race. I believe it should be uploaded to the IMSA Youtube eventually, since you could stream it on IMSA TV anywhere (no geoblock) and the past MX-5 Cup races are there. Looking forward to this morning's. I think it's pretty cool that everything IMSA and Indycar is on Peacock this year. I got the $5/mo with ads plan and they didn't serve me any ads during the Roar stream (and I had adblock off), so seems like a good deal. Will have to see if that's the same for TV broadcasts on Peacock (as long as it doesn't e.g. inject full-screen ads over picture-in-picture broadcast ads it seems like there's no point to going "ad-free").
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In a blatant effort to disqualify the great new thread title, IMSA has decided to redesignate LMDh as GTP in 2023. And I guess something about history or whatever, I dunno
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an oddly awful oud posted:In a blatant effort to disqualify the great new thread title, IMSA has decided to redesignate LMDh as GTP in 2023. And I guess something about history or whatever, I dunno Putting it in P
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harperdc posted:if the 'cock just gets the IMSA TV feed then that would be perfect for everyone. this was not the case for the pilot challenge, which meant that I had to play IMSA Radio over the Peacock feed for decent commentary since the Peacock stream seemed like it spent literally half of its time in "commercial-free breaks" where there was no commentary (and I assume on TV there would be picture-in-picture ads). but, hey, at least there are no ads. they also did like full-screen cuts to some commentary/interview desk, but I think they only did that once while the race was actually green
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abraham linksys posted:Looking forward to this morning's. This aged poorly, this morning was a clown show. Nearly constant yellow
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Ford is building a GT3 mustang for both GT3 and IMSA GTD Pro. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38928976/ford-mustang-gt3-racing-plans-imsa/ 
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quote:Da Costa blames "overly aggressive" Ticktum for lap 1 Diriyah FE exit Hi non-F1 ladder fans! Expect a lot of this.
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24 going to be a cold one, hope everyone packed their thermals, especially old mate Rooftop Ray
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Dudley posted:Hi non-F1 ladder fans! Expect a lot of this. well that didn't take long. Powershift posted:Ford is building a GT3 mustang for both GT3 and IMSA GTD Pro. additional detail - Multimatic is in charge of the development, with assistance from M-Sport for the engine development, and Multimatic will also run the IMSA GTD-Pro team. Joey Hand will be dusting off his racing shoes and developing, likely to join as a works driver I'm sure as well. Also sounds like the team expect to have the car out for at least a first race next year.
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Good to see M-Sport getting more work and more support from Ford.
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NBC's Rolex 24 broadcast lineup:quote:BROADCAST TEAM
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It's the coldest I can remember out here, and now the Sun is down. Good luck fellow Daytona Goons.
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Diplomat posted:It's the coldest I can remember out here, and now the Sun is down. Good luck fellow Daytona Goons. It's very chilly
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Lololol, did someone drive to the garage on accident?
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Nope, just a bunch of yellow, I heard someone say it was about 6hr of yellow in total, but that kept cars that ran into trouble up in the mix.
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It was pretty chilly, especially up in the stands. I felt like there were a lot of people here this year; maybe people just wanting to do something. Lots of people digging hole in the ground to make fires, then later burning plastic in them.
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The 12 hours of Bathurst is probably my favorite GT3 race. Starts in the dark and easily watchable in its entirety for us living in the Americas.
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Full Collapse posted:The 12 hours of Bathurst is probably my favorite GT3 race. Starts in the dark and easily watchable in its entirety for us living in the Americas. This years race providing it goes ahead isn’t till may which means it will both start and finish in the dark given the sun at that time of year doesn’t rise till 7 and sets a bit before 6. It’ll also be far colder given it’s heading into winter.
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