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shadow puppet of a posted:More perfectly normal behavior from employer Tony Khan. I suppose the interesting question is about AEW is this: Is this a "business venture" for the owners, like WCW and TNA, or is this just a straight up money pit like buying a fleet of private jets or a sex island? If it's the latter, then billionaire fanboy can just burn cash forever. Until he gets tired of playing with his toys and walks away. But if it's the former...... Also, WCW question: wasn't Hogan's contract so nuts that he got a piece of ALL merch sales? Like if Goldberg sold a shirt, Hogan got a cut? Trollologist fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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hey gbs, i've been running wrestling streams for byob and someone mentioned you might be interested this week. we're showing the WORLD BODYBUILDING FEDERATION 1991 show this coming Monday at 7pm EST, then the much weirder 1992 show the same time next week. you're all invited to come see vince's dream men and listen to him yell about THOSE STRIATIONS, WOW we're at: https://cytu.be/r/BYOBmovies 
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Trollologist posted:Also, WCW question: wasn't Hogan's contract so nuts that he got a piece of ALL merch sales? Like if Goldberg sold a shirt, Hogan got a cut? A quick Google search doesn't turn up anything THAT ridiculous, but he did get a 50-50 split of any merchandise with him on it, including anything associated with him, like the NWO. And he got paid to promote it as well. So he was getting paid thousands a month for wearing his own merchandise, for example. --- And speaking of wasting money... When things were getting bad in the WWF in the mid 90’s, you can see all the mistakes Vince made in his initial panic pretty clear, beyond the Kevin Nash experiment. Stuff like re-signing Ultimate Warrior and giving him free reign, which ended up being such a bad decision that Warrior barely lasted three more months even with this incredibly loose leash. Or letting Shawn Michaels bury Vader when Vader had been WCW’s biggest and best heel and could have done something similar for WWF. Signing Mark Henry, an Olympic power lifter, to a 10 year (!) guaranteed contract and then giving him an immediate push, when he was at least two years too early to even start getting a midcard push, ie he was greener than grass. None of it worked, WCW got Hall and Nash, started the faux invasion angle that became the NWO, and WCW kicked WWF’s rear end for months and months, and seemingly seemed poised to drive the company out of business. Now the shoe was on the other foot, and we can see all the things that Bischoff, and others, would try to do to arrest the decline, and get the exact same results as Vince. With one key difference. Vince’s buffer zone for financial no goes in that 90's crisis period was very thin, while WCW had Ted Turner and Turner Broadcasting/Time Warner’s deep pockets to fall back on. As John Tenta, who wrestled in the WWF as Earthquake and in WCW as several silly gimmicks and under his own name, and had been one of the Hogan Friend Parade brought in, once commented that he thought it was insane how much money WCW blew, giving an example of Hogan and Bischoff going out for lunch and spending something like $2000 on sushi, because it wasn’t their money, it was Turner’s. And that was before the NWO and then the long fall afterwards. Having super expensive lunches was the least of it; Turner/Time Warner’s money let WCW do stupid things like buy plane tickets for every single member of the roster for every Nitro (and maybe every PPV and other shows, I’m not sure), even if there was no chance they’d actually be used on the show. Yes, they were buying 150+ plane tickets every week,two-thirds of which tended to go completely unused. I think some wrestlers even had a brief racket where they were returning the tickets for extra money. And then there were the people they hired and then didn’t use at all: Lanny Poffo, the brother of Randy Poffo nee Savage, whose most famous gimmick in wrestling had been the poetry spouting Genius in late 80’s WWF, got hired on a $125,000 per year guaranteed contract, and then never got used at all: Poffo just sat at home collecting a paycheck. Hell, I think there were stories that there was a wrestler or two who were doing nothing, being paid for it, and the paperwork side of WCW was such a mess that they forgot to actually cancel the contract, meaning it automatically ‘rolled over’ for another year of guaranteed pay. Chris Jericho tells a small story that WCW once sent him an expedited package with nothing in it, a funny show of just how sloppy and panicked things became and kept becoming more of. (Not so funny was Chris Jericho’s then girlfriend going to a store and purchasing a combo package of Jericho’s WCW action figure and a fellow wrestler, I think it might have been Dean Malenko. When she looked at the receipt, she saw that according to it, she had purchased a Sting/Hogan action figure duo package. Oh, she actually had her boyfriend’s toy in her hands (ha ha), but the official records would mean that the residual would go to Sting and Hogan. Because denying them a chance to advance up the cards and making them eternal fodder for their egos just wasn’t enough for the likes of ol’ Terry Bollea, it seemed. Maybe there was something to that 'get a piece of all merch' question after all) ATM Eric just doubled down on that giant pile of other people’s money. With Goldberg kneecapped and the usual suspects STILL dominating the main events, WCW instead tried gimmicks like hiring various bands to play at Nitros and PPVs. This included doing stuff like hiring lesser known rapper Master P and even some of his entourage (Swoll, a giant with zero wrestling skill or talent, was signed for $400,000 a year, and later was shown to be ducking out on Child Support payments despite this very generous contract) and having them form a group called the No Limit Soldiers, who feuded with several WCW midcarders who called themselves the West Texas Rednecks who declared “Rap Is Crap”. Ostentatiously, the NLS were the faces, but 1) Between outnumbering the Rednecks 3-1 with all the nameless goons Master P brought along as his entourage, along with a few wrestlers like Rey Mysterio joining them, in their fight with the four man Redneck team, which resulted in fans cheering them for standing their ground against such odds, and 2) WCW being southern in general, it ended up getting the Rednecks over instead. Their ‘insult song’ even saw some play on actual country music stations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ So WCW promptly killed that angle, of course. Deciding he could top this poo poo, Bischoff then negotiated a large deal to have legendary power metal band KISS play at a Nitro. Raw obliterated the show by 2 ratings points, hence showing it was all a waste of money, but Bischoff, supposedly, thought so much of it that he began drawing up tentative plans to have a millennium eve PPV show that would be both a wrestling show and a KISS concert that would run for something like seven hours. As Death of WCW comments, this seemed to indicate that, under the pressure, Bischoff had finally gone totally insane. (And in ANOTHER example of wasted money and time, WCW decided to license the “Kiss IP” to create a wrestler, the KISS Demon, for…some reason. Because it had worked so well when Kevin Nash was Oz. Oh, did I mention the exact context of that gimmick? Well, see, TBS had acquired the rights to MGM’s film catalog, which let them, among other things, have freer reign to show the Wizard of Oz on television; back in the earlier days, it was almost a yearly event that different channels would run the whole movie. So to cross promote, they decided to do a Wizard of Oz gimmick on WCW. So yes. The whole Oz gimmick was to promote the fact they could show an old classic movie on a specific cable channel more often than usual. Still better than the time Rick Steiner got into a feud with Chucky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1DHgdVKeE Oh right, the Kiss Demon. It, of course, totally flopped, but they couldn’t just drop it because the deal with KISS said that the gimmick had to be used in a certain number of main events. So WCW started putting the man forced to wear the getup into third on the card matches and announcing them to be ‘special main events’. Yeah) It finally became too much even for Turner-Time Warner in September 1999, and Bischoff was relieved of his job as WCW showrunner and president and sent home. Put in charge were a pair of men named Bill Busch and Brad Siegel, who I mostly mention for what Busch did shortly after he took charge. Looking at the utter mess that WCW had become, Busch made his own bad decision, though I don’t blame him for not realizing it. With WCW’s guaranteed contracts having made it so the WWF started doing the same, hence ‘locking up’ their wrestlers and preventing shock signings like Luger had been, Busch instead hired WWF’s two main writers, Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara. They had been the ones in front of the writing and storylines that let the WWF come back and overtake WCW once again. Maybe they could swing the pendulum back for WCW. What Busch didn’t understand was while Russo did have a few good spots in his writing work, namely trying to give everyone on the card something to do, in truth he was only capable of doing said good spots as part of a whole, with a filter in place to toss aside all of his ‘chaff’ ideas, namely, Vince McMahon. But here, Russo would have no filter. He would be given free reign. And the thing was…Russo was not a wrestling fan. Russo was more a fan of trash TV and human drama; if he could have gotten rid of the wrestling aspect entirely, he would have. He was the type to watch Jerry Springer and use the show for ideas; in essence, if the WWE’s ‘sports-entertainment’ had long been cancerous on WCW’s ‘wrestling’, hiring Russo was akin to injecting a massive dose of poison. And that’s what it was. Russo took over and altered Nitros to be more like how the WWF programming was run. The ratings kept slipping. Russo, after saying he wouldn’t put himself on air as a character, did so within two weeks. They started showing bits like a pair of wrestlers arguing over how one was going to win, or having another wrestler who thought Russo liked him immediately jump up after a TV loss and get a mike to say “Did I do a good job, boss?” Because that was another thing about Russo: he assumed that every wrestling fan was the type to not only know the show was ‘fake’, but would spend all their time scouring the net to find out every single bit of real life backstage ‘truth’ they could. In essence, Russo not only exposed the business, and did it under false assumptions, but he did it in a way that went “How can you be so stupid to react to any of this being real”? (It may not surprise you that Jim Cornette absolutely, utterly, unfathomably DESPISES Russo and thinks he killed the business as he knew it, so much so that he’s claimed he’s worked to be healthier because he is utterly determined to outlive the man so he can piss on his grave. Which does speak a fair bit of unfortunate aspects of Cornette’s character as well, but you can see where it comes from, even if the degree is lunatic) Oh yeah, and these ‘reality slaps’ did nothing either. By now, wrestlers in WCW were cluing in that no matter what WCW tried, they themselves were never going to get anywhere, and had begun to depart for WWF. The first to go was Paul Wight, and while he’d have an even greater amount of stupid poo poo happen to him, he still ended up with a two decade long career in WWE afterwards, barring some time off periods. Next to go was Chris Jericho, an immensely entertaining heel who could do comedy and scumfuckery, and while he’d also have his share of ups and downs in WWE, in the end he did a lot more for them than WCW ever allowed. One story claims that Bischoff in a mid 1999 meeting claimed that no one beside Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper (and maybe Kevin Nash?) could draw, and told the locker room that if anyone wanted to leave, to go ahead. Wrestler Scott Levy, who’d made a semi decent career for himself in WCW playing the Raven character he’d pioneered in ECW, the ‘third man’ in the 90’s wrestling battle, promptly walked out and went back to ECW; he was legit that sick of WCW’s nonsense and was willing to go back to a much smaller pay contract and audience exposure to get away with it. Apparently Bischoff failed to recall when he was doing his own ‘worked shoot’ bit with Brian Pillman a few years previous, and Pillman told him to send him a real-life release from his WCW contract to ‘really sell’ the angle; Bischoff indeed sent a real, legit, legally binding release, and Pillman used it to get signed to the WWF for a larger pay grade. Oops. As 2000 began, several other wrestlers gathered together and said they also wanted to leave, tired of being in the midcard, getting no chances, or getting their legs cut out from under them by the WWF people. WCW even tried to keep one, Chris Benoit, by having him win the WCW title on their first PPV in 2000. Benoit went out, worked the match, returned backstage, gave the WCW belt to management, and walked out with his fellows, essentially quitting. Nash would say it didn’t matter; the four were just ‘vanilla midgets’ that couldn’t draw. About six weeks later, those four, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, and Perry Saturn, having signed with the WWE as a unit, would be wrestling in the main event of Raw in a match that drew one of the highest ratings Raw ever drew. And while Malenko and Saturn ultimately wouldn’t amount to ‘much’, Benoit and Guerroro would end up being some of the top WWF stars for the first half of the Aughts…before horrific tragedy would consume both of them, but I’d rather not talk about that. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Trollologist posted:I suppose the interesting question is about AEW is this: Is this a "business venture" for the owners, like WCW and TNA, or is this just a straight up money pit like buying a fleet of private jets or a sex island? AEW was openly founded as a $100 million dollar flight of fancy for Shad Khan's son to so Shad could get to see him enjoy some of his inheritance while he is still alive, which is actually money stolen from the time clocks of Flex n Gate shift workers but nobody, not even Moral Strongmen like CM Punk give a poo poo about that. its allegedly profitable if you entirely remove a ~$10m retro aka low poly ugly aki-style video game they are developing entirely with the oversight of inexperienced wrestling people. Its hard to believe, but they are taking in money from TBS/TNT and run old school ppv with excellent buyrates for 2020, but at least half of that ppv money they never see a dime of. They have some merch. But their roster costs are believed to be enormous., and the "we break even if... " announcement was made before some big hires debuted. From a dispassionate perspective its being run for a rich kids amusement and he hasn't show much acumen outside of leveraging an NFL connection into paid major cable TV time and then locking down the young bucks to long term contracts because their personal fan base will follow them anywhere, any time, forever, and pay up handsomely out of their collective weed dealer incomes to do it. Outside of that he's been a liability magnet that I'm genuinely shocked he hasnt been wrung out of what remains of the $100m startup funding for lots of potential issues like lovely pyro oversight, ignoring covid entirely (unless John Huber really did die of an abscess tooth that done crept into his lungs), ignoring lots of obvious roid use and visibly alcoholic wrestlers, zero wellness policy, lots of unsafe hardcore wrestling, lots of spots landing in the front row crowd, very awkward lingering hugs to his employees because just one of them needs to feel tony's bulge get engorged for that to become sueable. Its a fascinating show and the stories that come out once tony is sued out of existence. get fentayled by accident by his supplier, gets outed and flees, gets sued by a smart attorney that can convince Big Swole to take up a public discrimination case and lets tony ruin himself in the court of public opinion on twitter, a fed up Fullham fan chivs him to death, or whatever else it is that ultimately destroys AEW within the next 2-6 years. Because to finally answer your question, no its not a real business that can survive outside of Tony Khan's booker fantasies and locker room with the boys wet dreams. shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Man, I knew a general outline of this stuff, but having it all written up is great. I watched WWF from 2000-02 and then again in the early 10s but eventually just drifted away from it. I've honestly had more fun gawking at it in hindsight than watching as it happened. I should've just stopped caring when Rikishi turned heel. That story was an insult.
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shadow puppet of a posted:AEW was openly founded as a $100 million dollar flight of fancy for Shad Khan's son to so Shad could get to see him enjoy some of his inheritance while he is still alive, which is actually money stolen from the time clocks of Flex n Gate shift workers but nobody, not even Moral Strongmen like CM Punk give a poo poo about that. its allegedly profitable if you entirely remove a ~$10m retro aka low poly ugly aki-style video game they are developing entirely with the oversight of inexperienced wrestling people. Its hard to believe, but they are taking in money from TBS/TNT and run old school ppv with excellent buyrates for 2020, but at least half of that ppv money they never see a dime of. They have some merch. But their roster costs are believed to be enormous., and the "we break even if... " announcement was made before some big hires debuted. easy to talk poo poo on vince all day but at least that man knows when to start doing massive amounts of cocaine and hgh so that he can just become his own talent when needed rather than get horny on ma[i]n
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shadow puppet of a posted:Hopefully because it was time to stop paying some twenty five and four sevenths of his net sales to corporate and open up a joint of his own where you KNOW he’ll be taking sixty six and five eights of every dollar above food cost once you add beverages and event catering into the mix. nah it was because covid killed a hell of a lot of small businesses everywhere as much as i love the big bad booty daddy, and i do, it's been a tough couple of years on everyone personally I always liked the minigolf promo better than steiner math but he's had a lot of great ones
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GolfHole posted:easy to talk poo poo on vince all day but at least that man knows when to start doing massive amounts of cocaine and hgh so that he can just become his own talent when needed rather than get horny on ma[i]n Vince does not strike me as ever not horny on main I finally realised what I'm trying to articulate: Wrestling appears to be too ridiculous to parody.
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Trollologist posted:He's not going to fight you without creative control, and then you're not going over brother. Legit lold
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shadow puppet of a posted:ignoring covid entirely (unless John Huber really did die of an abscess tooth that done crept into his lungs) I'm picking out the non-wrestling thing here but tooth abscesses are EXTREMELY dangerous because they can hop into the blood stream at any time and go wreak havoc wherever it lands. Source, two different dentists warning me to make sure I get my poo poo treated. Also, I don't think any of your analysis is too far off, but I could also see AEW maturing into an organization that's profitable, it would just to do that despite Tony Khan's massive liability-ness. There's clearly room for another major network-based wrasslin' company and I think we might see AEW change hands once TK overstays his welcome, I think 2-6 years is a pretty accurate figure. The stories that come out are gonna be INSANE though
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Cornwind Evil posted:As 2000 began, several other wrestlers gathered together and said they also wanted to leave, tired of being in the midcard, getting no chances, or getting their legs cut out from under them by the WWF people. WCW even tried to keep one, Chris Benoit, by having him win the WCW title on their first PPV in 2000. Benoit went out, worked the match, returned backstage, gave the WCW belt to management, and walked out with his fellows, essentially quitting. Nash would say it didn’t matter; the four were just ‘vanilla midgets’ that couldn’t draw. Some context to add to this that was hilarious until it was tragic. Kevin Sullivan was an aging wrestler who for a while was one of the head bookers in WCW. This is why in the pre-nWo days, Hulk Hogan had a never-ending feud with Sullivan, who looked like if Jason Alexander started hitting the gym, but was supposed to be considered a top heel. At one point, Sullivan was feuding with Chris Benoit and part of the storyline was that Sullivan's wife Nancy was leaving him for Benoit. Kevin Sullivan wanted them to essentially LIVE THE GIMMICK to add a feeling of legitimacy to it. Benoit and Nancy would travel together, have dinner together, share hotel rooms, etc. So anyway, Nancy Sullivan left her husband for Chris Benoit for real. Kevin Sullivan booked his own divorce. Once WCW decided that Russo wasn't working out (for the first time), they put Kevin Sullivan back into the head booker position. That was bad news for Benoit, who was finally breaking through to the top of the card. He did not want his career in the hands of his very own cuck victim and was lucky to get out when he did.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Outside of that he's been a liability magnet that I'm genuinely shocked he hasnt been wrung out of what remains of the $100m startup funding for lots of potential issues like lovely pyro oversight, ignoring covid entirely (unless John Huber really did die of an abscess tooth that done crept into his lungs), ignoring lots of obvious roid use and visibly alcoholic wrestlers, zero wellness policy, lots of unsafe hardcore wrestling, lots of spots landing in the front row crowd, very awkward lingering hugs to his employees because just one of them needs to feel tony's bulge get engorged for that to become sueable. this comes off as an unhinged vendetta to me
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Gavok posted:Some context to add to this that was hilarious until it was tragic. Ghost Leviathan posted:I finally realised what I'm trying to articulate: Wrestling appears to be too ridiculous to parody.
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roomtone posted:this comes off as an unhinged vendetta to me
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roomtone posted:this comes off as an unhinged vendetta to me It's definitely a, uh, more spirited take on Tony Khan but the whole Big Swole thing shows the dude definitely has the chance of being a liability and if he's the type who huffs his own farts (he's rich, so yes), it's inevitable something fucky is going to happen
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is it better to have no wellness policy, or a wellness policy that is obviously a sham and gets enforced or not enforced at the company's whims gee randy you sure have a lot of strikes lately how bout we stop loving testing you for a while then quietly sweep those prior strikes under the rug hunter you can keep roiding right into a massive heart attack all you want dont worry, you're an executive
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Whatever happened to the Great Khali? I wasn't following wrestling much but it seemed like Vince was trying to make him A Thing and then he disappeared
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Whatever happened to the Great Khali? I wasn't following wrestling much but it seemed like Vince was trying to make him A Thing and then he disappeared Great Khali options: 1) his weird giant heart just finally gave out 2) Vince pushed him because he big, but never got over. So Vince pushed him as a big creep (his 2nd go to), still not really over. So future endeavors? 3) I think he went back to India?
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Gavok posted:So anyway, Nancy Sullivan left her husband for Chris Benoit for real. . Bet she regretted that decision.
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Trollologist posted:Great Khali options: After Get Smart and Macgruber, he was in 3 Bollywood films then became a US citizen in 2014, made a few sporadic appearances on WWE, then disappeared in 2018 after the Greatest Royal Rumble, possibly to run his punjab wrestling school in India
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Chief McHeath posted:Then you have to add the extra beef charge, coming from a freak like me! That's at least an extra six dollars, on your two dollar upcharge. So now we're looking at a six by two upcharge, so a 62 percent upcharge. So you're paying sixty six and five eights of every 62 percent upcharge, and you don't stand a chance. So I've got a six dollar charge on a two dollar charge, times 162 percent, plus your 66 5/8 of the 62 percent. Those numbers don't add up for you! you forgot to scream UR FAT in the customers face at the end edit: the emphasis Steiner puts on the F in FAT when he screams it at the top of his lungs is loving hilarious, always has been and always will be MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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roomtone posted:this comes off as an unhinged vendetta to me It’s absolutely that, but at the same time like it was for the Xbox one, my hatred comes from a place of love. Poisoned love that delights in failure. But love none the less I like aew. I don’t watch it. But I follow every small development and bit of news. An executive letting a visibly drink-bloated day drunk John moxley into the ring to do his job of man-hoisting while slurring his speech is absolutely insane from a liability perspective and poo poo like that will continue to happen because of Tony’s delusions and affections, not because I lust to see his wholly preventable collapse.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Vince delivers a "Turkey on a Pole" match at Wrestlemania.
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what stuff has Tony Khan done to make him such a liability?
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kevin sullivan may not have been a murderer but he was an abusive piece of poo poo himself emphasis on may
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gbs but from 2004 posted:what stuff has Tony Khan done to make him such a liability? Laid out a red carpet for whoever will become his Kevin “nailz “ wacholz
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shadow puppet of a posted:An executive letting a visibly drink-bloated day drunk John moxley into the ring to do his job of man-hoisting while slurring his speech is absolutely insane from a liability perspective and poo poo like that will continue to happen because of Tony’s delusions and affections, not because I lust to see his wholly preventable collapse. Once I learned that John Moxley started out in CZW, literally everything about his behavior made sense. I don't really know what to say about death match wrestling. There's a lot to unpack about it. Not so much about the dangers of light tubes, or the comedy of using Lego instead of thumbtacks. I get the audience for, literal blood baths (not for me, but I can see how a person could like that). I just don't see the point in going that violent that often (narratively). Just, it takes a certain kind of person to sign up for death match wrestling (and also not make any money), and John Moxley is one of those people.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Whatever happened to the Great Khali? I wasn't following wrestling much but it seemed like Vince was trying to make him A Thing and then he disappeared Khali was brought in as a big, scary heel, but there was only so much you could do with him. He was incredibly limited and only had a couple moves he could do, but they were at least able to coast on his mystique by having him feud with various top faces like Undertaker, Cena, Kane, Batista and Triple H. At one point, Edge was World Heavyweight Champion and got injured, so the title was vacated. They held a battle royal for a new winner and because 1) SmackDown had a thin main even scene and 2) it made more storyline sense for Batista to chase the title, they had Khali win it. He's considered one of the all-time worst world champions in wrestling history. After he ran his course as a major heel, he was turned into a goofy face with a manager/translator. He never won any major matches other than a WrestleMania pre-show battle royal, but he was always treated as a nigh-unbeatable threat. For a little while, he was in a tag team with Hornswoggle (of course), but he just hung around the midcard and faded into obscurity. When WWE had Jinder Mahal as WWE Champion (a story in itself), Khali showed up to interfere on his behalf at a PPV, but there was no follow-up. Physically, he was not looking so great.
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Trollologist posted:Once I learned that John Moxley started out in CZW, literally everything about his behavior made sense. when i was a child, i loved the blood bath matches. i remember watching those cactus jack vs HHH matches several times, wrestling along with them against a pillow on the bed and it was specifically the stuff causing the bleeding that i liked. if they didn't bleed the match could only be so good. i think it was because i kind of still thought it was real when i was 10 or whenever that was. serious loving WAR. now i just think, oh, that's kind of disgusting. although i still like to see people crash through things and i like the thumbtack spots. i don't think any of this stuff is inherently more dangerous/painful than just doing a suplex. you don't really hear about career ending injuries from barbed wire spots, it's always some random move that went wrong. just because it looks violent doesn't mean it is, that's the whole idea of wrestling. never watched CZW though, they probably actually do get stupid
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Remember when titis O’Neil got a six week suspension for hugging Vince on tv?
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I'm a sucker for a table match or a ladder match. Always have been. The blood and barbed wire and light tubes are cool, don't get me wrong. But they're supposed to be used like a cage match. You know the story goes like this normal match -> revenge -> 2nd match -> no resolution "these men are so crazy!! The only way to contain them is in a STEEL CAGE" or "These men will to any lengths to win, this match is NO. HOLDS. BARRED." The problem is when all your matches are tube smashing blood baths, what do you escalate to? A literal gunfight? "These men couldn't put each other down with tacs, tables, or barbed wire! At Pay-per-view-ver-series See them finally settle their feud in a WOODCHIPPER MATCH!!" And it's there, in trying to get more dangerous than replacing the ropes with barbed wire or florescent tubes, that it gets legitimately dangerous. Like what happened to David Arquette when he wrestled Nick Gage. Or when Nic Gage almost died himself when he got stabbed with a light tube. Guys like Nic Gage and Necro Butcher could be pushed to the loving moon as this "I'm indestructible lol" unstoppable force. In fact, that's how Mick Foley got over in WWE. But you have to have heart there. A perseverance (cactus jack), or a fear (mankind), that forces your straight laced opponent into a "hardcore" situation that gives you the upper hand. But it doesn't work well if you opponent is Gig Johnny and he's got razor blades for hands. Trollologist fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Feb 19, 2022 18:26
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What holds were they barring up until that point?
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Feb 19, 2022 18:35
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Trollologist posted:I'm a sucker for a table match or a ladder match. Always have been. Pretty sure that was the issue ECW had. Some of my best memories as a kid were I would be hiding in the basement with the TV turned away down so I could watch ECW on channel 48 which would come in if positioned the antenna just right.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:38
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What holds were they barring up until that point? The Classic Hold: "Stab you with a knife for real" Once used on John Cena.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:46
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What holds were they barring up until that point? 
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Feb 19, 2022 18:50
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That doesn't answer my question you nincompoop.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:54
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What holds were they barring up until that point? The dreaded 'Purple Nurple'
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Feb 19, 2022 18:56
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What holds were they barring up until that point? Well, two that I can think of that WWE for sure banned: Crippler Crossface (a mentally disturbed man used it to harm and possibly kill a child) Cattle Mutilation (Not TV friendly)
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Trollologist posted:Well, two that I can think of that WWE for sure banned: Has there been a literal alien in the ring? Anal probing? Giving birth?
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