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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Really good ending to a season that contained very strong moments very often but that was messy and unfocused and never came together in a way that felt satisfying for me, especially with how many threads were dropped. I liked it a lot, but it fell JUST short of being A-grade for me.

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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?


I hope season 3 uses a timeskip to age the characters up to match their actors, and then has a sitcom-like format where they live in apartments across the hall from each other in the Big City.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

eschaton posted:

I hope season 3 uses a timeskip to age the characters up to match their actors, and then has a sitcom-like format where they live in apartments across the hall from each other in the Big City.

What's the deal with carousels? The horses go up, they go down, they give you an orgasm. What is going on here?

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?


They really have a “being there for each other” vibe, right? They could call it out in the theme song.

Zombie Squared
Feb 16, 2007





What year of school are they supposed to be in? Rue said she finished the year clean, but Cassie still seems to be in school and is a year older than them? Also in season 1, Rue said she was born just after 9/11, so she's 21? Is this a late 2010s period piece? I'm thinking about this way too hard.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Zombie Squared posted:

What year of school are they supposed to be in? Rue said she finished the year clean, but Cassie still seems to be in school and is a year older than them? Also in season 1, Rue said she was born just after 9/11, so she's 21? Is this a late 2010s period piece?

It is one now. The first season was basically three years ago at this point.

I think trying to think about the exact timeline this show operates on is gonna break your brain, Orange Is The New Black or Gotham style.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012


PostNouveau posted:

Child porn. At the very least Jules but likely a lot more
Was this established? He didn't seem to have a predilection. He only had sex with Jules because she lied about her age, right?

Dunno if I'm just forgetting something from season 1.

Blue Nation
Nov 25, 2012



What little of Cal's hookups was shown in s01 made it look like Jules was the only minor, maybe Nate showed that to the police and then will show the press the rest, since all of those encounters are violent no one else will hire Cal.

Blue Nation
Nov 25, 2012



I know nothing of US laws, is recording your partner without consent a crime?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Yeah, I feel that'd be the bigger issue.

Nate said he removed Jules' video from the collection, and honestly? I believe him in this one case.

asap-salafi
May 5, 2012


Open Source Idiom posted:

Yeah, I feel that'd be the bigger issue.

Nate said he removed Jules' video from the collection, and honestly? I believe him in this one case.

Really? I thought the show was hinting there was another copy when he said that because he's obviously a vindictive liar.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.


Nate’s reasoning for disposing of the Jules recording is he didn’t want it to destroy his dads business since he was set to inherit it.

They’re in California right? If so, those recordings would be illegal regardless of the recordees age and “Cal taped his romps with prostitutes” wouldn’t quite sully a business like “the owner sleeps with teenagers”.

Withnail
Feb 11, 2004


Zombie Squared posted:

What year of school are they supposed to be in? Rue said she finished the year clean, but Cassie still seems to be in school and is a year older than them? Also in season 1, Rue said she was born just after 9/11, so she's 21? Is this a late 2010s period piece? I'm thinking about this way too hard.

I don't think they are counting the two years off for covid. I think Rue and Lexi are juniors and a year behind Cassie and Maddy who are seniors. The year is probably 2018ish. But really it doesn't matter and the actors all look the same because they are in their mid 20s irl.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

VagueRant posted:

Was this established? He didn't seem to have a predilection. He only had sex with Jules because she lied about her age, right?

Dunno if I'm just forgetting something from season 1.

I don't remember any child porn either. Cal was having app-based gay hookups with adults, and Jules lied about her age on the app. The big secret was his double-life, not child porn. Cal panics in Season 1 because he discovers that his hook-up was a high school student, which he didn't know.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Anonymous Zebra posted:

I don't remember any child porn either. Cal was having app-based gay hookups with adults, and Jules lied about her age on the app. The big secret was his double-life, not child porn. Cal panics in Season 1 because he discovers that his hook-up was a high school student, which he didn't know.

Not knowing isn't an excuse, he'd still be charged for it.

metavisual
Sep 6, 2007



Yeah, the Cal ending stuff tripped me up.

Nate told Jules he didn't know about other copies, but then when Cal says "what's on it" (the flash drive), Nate just says "EVERYTHING".

I always thought they went out of their way to show the other people Cal hooked up with were of age, (we see it with the younger guy in the hotel, and then also the people in the warehouse in the Finale with him). They were young, sure, but none of them looked under 18.

And like was said above, he panicked when he figured out Jules was local AND underage, AND went to HS with his son, his engagement with her at the Carnival was basically "please don't ruin my life".

So it definitely didn't seem he was a pedo, just more in-the-closet, and not knowing how to act.

I mean, they also didn't bring up the 3rd son. Which, when Cal took the picture off the wall, I thought "here we go! they are going to tell us!" but nothing.

Maybe they weren't sure if they were getting another season, so they had to wing it and hope for the best. (the Rue ending seems to tie in with that too).

I read a bunch of interviews with Rza about the Hulu Wu-Tang show, because there is a lot of back tracking from the season finales, and he was like "I didn't know about renewals until the season was already wrapped, so I wanted to at least try to cap it, so we wouldn't leave everyone sad if we didn't get picked up again". I mean, it makes sense, so I wonder if this was something like that. *(Kind of weird, because I believe this season had a LOT of viewers and is one of HBO's currently most successful shows, but who knows).

Campbell
Jun 7, 2000


"Everything" was probably said to make Cal poo poo bricks. When Nate ruins lives he relishes every second of it but doing a "lol jk" with Jules and not twisting the knife seems out of character.
That said, who knows, the guy is a total demon. Poor Tyler is probably deep-faked into it too just to ruin that guy's day some more.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






Cal was using inferior lumber in all his construction projects and with Pudgy Walsh retired he had noone to cover for him.

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007


Lost it at “that’s racist” from the crowd. The whole play ending was funny as hell.

And then Rue’s whole memorial speech was given it’s proper light and as someone who lost someone traumatically and spoke at their funeral I was crying hard. The show at the heart is about grief and loss so I guess it sticks with me because it came out that same year of my experience.

Everything about this season felt like a mish mash of lows and very high highs. And will the Laurie plot get wrapped up at all? I’m not onboard with using that threat of violence without some form of valve to release at the other end, because then it feels like cheap tension.

I’d love a time skip to Rue working through recovery and some spotlight on that process of self and family healing, which could make interesting tv but who wants to see happy successes.

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017


really wish they didn't do fezco like that, man. crazy they found that actor just like working at a food court or something, maybe they were finding this acting limits

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.


I really wanted them to address the Laurie thing in some capacity but now I hope they never bring it up again.

She got roped for Mouse’s murder, it is canon.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Chloe Cherry tried to put the murder on Laurie. I guess we should assume that the police made enough trouble for her in the aftermath that she forgets about Rue.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007



Whew, that was a messy season. The highs were really incredible though and the cinematography was exquisite. "And then I was sober for the rest of the school year" felt like a real cop out, but it seems like they panicked and started cleaning house for next season.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Was Rue's line about her sobriety real, or was it part of the play -- and therefore potentially wishful thinking on Lexie's part.

I'm asking because i legit can't remember.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007



Open Source Idiom posted:

Was Rue's line about her sobriety real, or was it part of the play -- and therefore potentially wishful thinking on Lexie's part.

I'm asking because i legit can't remember.

It was after she walked out of the school and part of the voiceover.

MrMojok
Jan 27, 2011



I recently binged this after seeing Zendaya in Dune, and reading some criticisms of her performance in that flick.

She wasn’t given a whole lot to do in Dune, but she should have a bigger part in the second film.

I thought she was amazing in Euphoria, and I hope I never hear anyone say she can’t act again.

Blood Nightmaster
Sep 6, 2011

“また遊んであげるわ!”


Yeah that episode in season 2 where they give her the intervention and she consequently goes on the run mid-withdrawal is a great testament to her acting chops. It's crazy to see her go from a strung out teenage rear end in a top hat to something like her consistently well-put together, literally high fashion red carpet looks!

For more fun dissonance I recommend everybody watch Jacob Elordi on Hot Ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDbBia1GwUM

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.



MrMojok posted:

I thought she was amazing in Euphoria, and I hope I never hear anyone say she can’t act again.

Hard agree. I’ve heard so many people say that, and she absolutely carries multiple Euphoria episodes on her performance alone.

Rue requires excellent comedic timing, and intense dramatic weight, and the capacity to switch from one to the next within a single scene, in a way that feels organic. I can’t think of many actors who can do that, of any age or experience level.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die


Grimey Drawer

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPrN9HpUVS8

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VagueRant
May 24, 2012


Very curious what he's on.

MrMojok posted:

I recently binged this after seeing Zendaya in Dune, and reading some criticisms of her performance in that flick.

She wasn’t given a whole lot to do in Dune, but she should have a bigger part in the second film.

I thought she was amazing in Euphoria, and I hope I never hear anyone say she can’t act again.
I only really knew her from the Spider-Man movies and even rewatching some No Way Home clips after Euphoria you can really tell how good she is even in that schlock. The lil kungfu pose when she throws the bread, the begging to find another way for the spell at the end.

I didn't know anyone said she was bad, I figured the Dune criticisms was that she was used like a perfume model who got a couple of lines at the end, haha.

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