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discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e04 � Invasive Procedures

DS9 is evacuated because of plasma shenanigans
They rescue a cargo crew that was caught in the storm. They�re actually an aggressive boarding party led by a Klingon and they make Odo go inside a sorta Ghostbusters ghost trap thing.
Quark was helping them
but actually the Trill is in charge and he wants Dax�s symbiont. And of course Julian is the one who has to do it.
Dude is loving psycho and wants to be awake for the surgery
oh nm I guess it�s not that traumatic because I guess Trills have a little kangaroo pouch
Friendship ended with Verad Dax
Quark jumps a Klingon, feigns an injury, lockpicks Odo out of his box
The gang removes the symbiont from Verad and gives it back to Jadzia, Verad goes back to being a loser, all�s well that ends well.

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 04:13

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
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Dax Gets Robbed is almost the Troi Gets Mind-Raped of the show.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:23

Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

Or Troi Loses Her Powers (or both I guess).

# ? Mar 24, 2022 02:29

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

I will also just say that, I enjoyed TNG (haven't finished it tho) but DS9 is clearly the better of the two so far.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 03:34

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e5 - Cardassians

It�s the return of Garak!
Garak got bit, and being the only Cardassian on the ship, it�s an international issue
Cardassians orphans are being raised by Bajorans
Rugal, the Cardassian kid, has to stay with the O�Briens while they investigate his treatment
and of course Rugal�s just hanging out on his fuckin� phone
there�s a lot of Bashir / Garak ships, aren�t there?
Rugal�s father was involved in the decision to withdraw from Bajor, making him an enemy of Gul Dukat
Padar shows up. Allegedly he didn�t know Rugal was alive.
Father/son reunion goes off the rails
Rugal�s adoption was coordinated to humiliate his father for political reasons and Gul Dukat was behind it.
Rugal is given back to Padar
Garak gets cagey about why he�s against Gul Dukat

# ? Mar 24, 2022 06:18

jng2058: Jul 17, 2010; We have the tools, we have the talent!

discoukulele posted:

s02e5 - Cardassians

there�s a lot of Bashir / Garak ships, aren�t there?

Including and especially by Garak's actor, Andrew Robinson!

# ? Mar 24, 2022 06:35

Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

Robinson wanted Garak to be openly gay (never happened, obviously). He pretty blatantly played the character as such (at least to those of us with a working gaydar), and apparently was never told to tone it down, much to everyone's gain.

E: Robinson also wrote a Garak-centric DS9 novel, "A Stitch in Time," which I understand is generally fondly regarded. Shamefully I have not read it yet, but I would assume Robinson really ramped it up in that (one would hope). Also I would bet real money it's written in the first person. Can't see how it could possibly not be, frankly.

E2: Btw print copies cost a fortune, but ebook versions are readily available. Also, because this universe is a fundamentally unjust universe: No, there is no audiobook version narrated by Robinson :mad:

, so save yourself the hunt. Some redditors tried to get a petition going a while back, though.

Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 24, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2022 17:00

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Garak is apparently bi/pan considering said novel, though mind you it's hard to name a character he doesn't have some flirtatious subtext with. Except, maybe ironically, Kira. (To be fair, it becomes clear pretty quick that Kira will not take any Cardassian's bullshit and Garak, a celebrated bullshit artist, recognises and wisely respects this)

# ? Mar 24, 2022 18:16

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

I dont know how anyone can call Move Along Home the worst episode when Profit and Lace The Muse and the lovely Brigadoon knockoff episode are right there.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 19:12

Raged: Jul 21, 2003; A revolution of beats

Decided to start rewatching due to this thread. Just got to Sisko's "it's easy to be a saint in paradise" speech. Just reminds me how absolute poo poo discovery is.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 13:10

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Robinson wanted Garak to be openly gay (never happened, obviously). He pretty blatantly played the character as such (at least to those of us with a working gaydar), and apparently was never told to tone it down, much to everyone's gain.

E: Robinson also wrote a Garak-centric DS9 novel, "A Stitch in Time," which I understand is generally fondly regarded. Shamefully I have not read it yet, but I would assume Robinson really ramped it up in that (one would hope). Also I would bet real money it's written in the first person. Can't see how it could possibly not be, frankly.

E2: Btw print copies cost a fortune, but ebook versions are readily available. Also, because this universe is a fundamentally unjust universe: No, there is no audiobook version narrated by Robinson , so save yourself the hunt. Some redditors tried to get a petition going a while back, though.

I have a copy. Was just sitting in my shelf of childhood junk too nostalgic to clear out. Had no idea it was worth anything but just checked eBay and wow.

Yes, it's written first person. It's framed with with an opening letter to "My Dear Doctor" Bashir to which Garak's attached his diary entries (the bulk of the novel).
Can't have read it again in the 20 years since, but I do remember it being quite good. Fondly regarded for sure.

Difficult to respond further on Garak's sexuality, without spoilers. So I'll leave that.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 14:02

mossyfisk: Nov 8, 2010; FF0000

He also has magic powers.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:58

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e06 � Melora

A new cartographer is showing up. She has to use a wheelchair because her planet has low gravity.
Fallit Kot shows up to kill Quark
This �angry disabled person� storyline is a little bit
Melora and Bashir have a low-g moment
followed by a severe doctor/patient dual-relationship moment
Bashir starts doing experimental treatments on Melora but it�s going to gently caress up her fine motor skills
lmao �this is just like the little mermaid!� �...did she live happily ever after?�
Quark tries to pay off Fallit Kot, it doesn�t go well
The A and B plots converge
prediction � Melora�s gonna gently caress with the gravity and save the day
lmfao called it
and she didn�t die from the phaser blast because of science magic

# ? Mar 26, 2022 00:04

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

discoukulele posted:

s02e06 � Melora

Fun fact about this one: When they were first putting the show's premise together, they originally intended a low-grav/wheelchair character to be one of the main cast, the science officer. Then they realized how hard and expensive it would be to do the weightless effects all the time. They already had one character who was really special-effects-heavy (Odo), so instead they went with the science officer idea that became Dax, and did Melora as a guest star instead.

Also, we were hoping you might mention the best part of this episode: the Klingon chef. :allears:

# ? Mar 26, 2022 00:26

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

Powered Descent posted:

Fun fact about this one: When they were first putting the show's premise together, they originally intended a low-grav/wheelchair character to be one of the main cast, the science officer. Then they realized how hard and expensive it would be to do the weightless effects all the time. They already had one character who was really special-effects-heavy (Odo), so instead they went with the science officer idea that became Dax, and did Melora as a guest star instead.

Also, we were hoping you might mention the best part of this episode: the Klingon chef.

Lmao I hope we see him again!

# ? Mar 26, 2022 01:16

Angry Salami: Jul 27, 2013; Don't trust the skull.

discoukulele posted:

This �angry disabled person� storyline is a little bit

For what it's worth, the writer of the episode was himself disabled and used a wheelchair, and basically was writing the episode as sort of a response to the TNG episode where Worf's spine is broken and he treats it as the end of his life. He just... somehow hit on all the cliches of a disabled character being written by an able-bodied author anyway?

# ? Mar 26, 2022 08:46

Zesty: Jan 17, 2012; The Great Twist

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Robinson wanted Garak to be openly gay (never happened, obviously). He pretty blatantly played the character as such (at least to those of us with a working gaydar), and apparently was never told to tone it down, much to everyone's gain.

E: Robinson also wrote a Garak-centric DS9 novel, "A Stitch in Time," which I understand is generally fondly regarded. Shamefully I have not read it yet, but I would assume Robinson really ramped it up in that (one would hope). Also I would bet real money it's written in the first person. Can't see how it could possibly not be, frankly.

E2: Btw print copies cost a fortune, but ebook versions are readily available. Also, because this universe is a fundamentally unjust universe: No, there is no audiobook version narrated by Robinson , so save yourself the hunt. Some redditors tried to get a petition going a while back, though.

Good idea.

# ? Mar 26, 2022 10:22

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e07 � Rules of Acquisition

Dax cleans up at the casino even though she�s a feeeeeeemale
A waiter comes up with an idea to drug Quark�s customers so they�ll want to drink more
The Grand Nagus returns and wants Quark to be his chief negotiator as the Ferengi move into the Gamma Quadrant
There�s going to be another Ferengi business meeting, and this time it�s with the Dosi.
lmfao at this scene with the Grand Nagus getting his ear hair combed
The Ferengi are going into the wine business, which I support
The waiter plants the seeds of paranoia in Quark�s mind
The waiter is actually a feeeeeemale with prosthetic ears
Zek gives Kira a fancy-rear end Bajoran earring
aw and the waitress is in love with Quark. Also, as much as this is a 90�s show and I know Garak had the gay content he wanted cut out, I liked the touch of Dax nonchalantly mentioning that the waitress is in love with Quark before she knew she was a woman
The waitress and Quark take off in Zek�s ship to go into the Gamma Quadrant to get the Dosi to sign their contract
Rom creeps around in Pel�s room and discovers her secret
god the Dosi costumes and makeup are just awful
One of the Dosi reveals that they can�t sell the wine to the Ferengi and that they need to contact Karemma of The Dominion. I�m really excited to see more about them. My friend and I played Star Trek: Alliance � The Dominion War Campaign last year (it�s a co-op variant of the war game), so it was all very out of context for me. Nothing in that game was spoilerish other than the fact that the Dominion are hostiles in the Gamma Quadrant.
apparently even associating with Pel could put Quark in prison
Pel outs herself to the Nagus and Quark steps up to defend her, losing his Gamma Quadrant profits in the process. Then they have to say their goodbyes (just for now, I hope).

# ? Mar 28, 2022 04:57

Zesty: Jan 17, 2012; The Great Twist

quote:

A waiter comes up with an idea to drug Quark�s customers so they�ll want to drink more

Alternate read. They think they're the first loving people to invent beer nuts.

# ? Mar 28, 2022 07:41

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

The socioeconomic evolution of the Ferengi Alliance is one of my favourite subplots of DS9.

# ? Mar 28, 2022 14:49

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e08 � Necessary Evil

Hell yeah are we getting murder mystery?
A woman on Bajor wants Quark to get a box belonging to her dead husband on DS9. She can�t be seen by Odo because she probably killed her husband.
And it just so happens that Sisko has ordered Odo to start keeping daily logs
The box contains a list of 8 Bajoran names
The dude who showed up in the Bajoran woman�s home pops up and shoots Quark
Flashback to Odo when met with Gul Dukat about the murder. Apparently Odo has a mean Cardassian neck trick.
omg flashback to Kira and Odo�s first meeting. The widow thinks she was having an affair with her dead husband.
Pallra has shady financial dealings going on
A mining engineer might�ve gotten killed by Pallra because Odo leaked his name (or something close to it)
lmao and we get Quark�s first interaction with Odo, too
Pallra recently got into touch with all 8 of the people on the list and is probably blackmailing them. They were probably collaborators.
Kira needed an alibi because she was sabotaging a Cardassian operation. Odo chooses to side with her.
lmao Bajoran dude does the ol� bouquet-stab technique
god drat Rom�s screaming lmao
Pallra is fierce and I love her
and in a surprise twist, Kira killed the guy in self-defense and confesses to Odo. Their friendship will survive, but will he ever trust her again?

# ? Mar 29, 2022 05:40

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z-VkWVD4l4

:40 is the funniest loving thing in the world lmao i'm wheezing

discoukulele fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Mar 29, 2022

# ? Mar 29, 2022 05:42

Raged: Jul 21, 2003; A revolution of beats

Ugggh hurry up I want you to see you to react to my favorite episode

# ? Apr 1, 2022 12:36

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

Lmao Ive been falling down a Pillars of Eternity rabbit hole the last couple of days. I'm going to try to watch a few this weekend!

# ? Apr 2, 2022 00:23

Raged: Jul 21, 2003; A revolution of beats

Most shows tend to have a big drop in quality during their last season. Up to season 7 now and there are so many great episodes with subjects that no other Trek would have the guts to talk about.

Also, it has the most baller death in all of TV trek.

# ? Apr 2, 2022 12:43

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Raged posted:

Also, it has the most baller death in all of TV trek.

You'll have to narrow it down because DS9 has a lot of great deaths. Blaze of Glory, I'm guessing?

# ? Apr 2, 2022 16:35

Raged: Jul 21, 2003; A revolution of beats

Arc Hammer posted:

You'll have to narrow it down because DS9 has a lot of great deaths. Blaze of Glory, I'm guessing?

Once more into the breach

# ? Apr 2, 2022 23:19

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Excellent choice. Savor the fruit of life Kor

# ? Apr 3, 2022 02:03

Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

It's a monumental achievement of the writers that a deplorable, murderous, treacherous (albeit charismatic) TOS Klingon whom you loved to hate became an honorable, admirable, loveable, righteous DS9 Klingon who was even more charismatic, and completely plausibly so.

E: Same goes for the other two (don't want to spoil anything for discoukelele, but y'all know who), though they weren't nearly as rotten in TOS.

Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Apr 3, 2022

# ? Apr 3, 2022 06:50

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Hipster_Doofus posted:

It's a monumental achievement of the writers that a deplorable, murderous, treacherous (albeit charismatic) TOS Klingon whom you loved to hate became an honorable, admirable, loveable, righteous dude^tm who was even more charismatic, and completely plausibly so.

I mean, it is literally a century after.

The thing about DS9 is that people try to poo poo on it for being cynical and ruining the Federation or whatever but everything about it is clearly built around a deep love for the franchise and its roots.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 06:53

Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I mean, it is literally a century after.

The thing about DS9 is that people try to poo poo on it for being cynical and ruining the Federation or whatever but everything about it is clearly built around a deep love for the franchise and its roots.

Not to mention that it's not even predicated on the notion that everything goes to poo poo, forever. Cynicism/pessimism/darkness/grittiness etc was never the message, but rather that what's good can and will eventually prevail anyway.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 07:03

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e09 � Second Sight

It�s the anniversary of Jennifer�s death
aw, nice little father/son moment
Sisko meets Fenna
so clearly terraformers have god complexes
everyone�s getting all up in Sisko�s business about Fenna. I love Dax�s interaction with him. I really like their relationship.
The gang boards the Prometheus
the terraformer is married to Nidell who looks exactly like Fenna. She�s clearly bored af with him.
There�s no record of Fenna and apparently no record of Nidell
Sisko kisses Fenna and she vanishes
ugh loving narcissists. I hope there�s some good schadenfreude with Seyetik.
lmao and right on cue Seyetik is totally in love (and getting his ego fix from) his fake wife
Fenna meets Nidell and it�s like
[img]https://c.tenor.com/vKJfxBVita8AAAAC/sister-sister-tia-mowry.gif][/img]
Seyetik claims Fenna is a projection from Nidell�s mind
Seyetik commits suicide to free Nidell because divorce is out of the question I guess �\_(ツ)_/�

s02e10 � Sanctuary

lmfao I love that Virani is basically Yanni. He wants to rebuild the Jalanda Forum.
A wild space ship appears!
The translators can�t figure out these people�s language
the crew makes friends with them by giving them Slim Jims
They�re the Skrreeans and 3 million of their people are on the other side of the wormhole
They�re a matriarchal society
They believe that Kentanna, a sacred place that�s supposed to be on this side of the wormhole
They were freed from the T-Rogorans who got conquered by The Dominion
Ohhhh Haneek�s got a harem
�She wants to study entomology� �Oh! She wants to be a chef!� lmao
Tons of Skreeans show up and Haneek gets to be a savior
Haneek is charged with leading her people the rest of the way. Nirani gives her a concert hologram.
Nog flares up tensions
Haneek thinks Kentanna is Bajor. Bajor denies them.
Tumak heads out to Bajor and he�s got ship problems he�s not aware of.
Tumak opens fire and his ship explodes
The Skreeans leave for Draylon II and Kira is stuck with the weight of Bajor�s decision. Clearly a bunch of farmers could've helped with their famine.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 05:01

Anonymous Zebra: Oct 21, 2005; Blending in like it ain't no thang

Fun fact: The original script for Sanctuary had Bajor letting them settle, but the writers didn't like that there wasn't really a twist to the situation and someone suggested that Bajor reject them. Once that idea was entertained the rest of the story fell into place and they realized they had a real gut punch of an episode.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 05:19

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

And now you come to the point where the Bajoran srubbornness leads them to be dicks to others in similar situations. Yeah yeah i know, post occupation instability and all that, but Bajor not being shining angels and being bitter assholes half the time is part of the charm.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 05:21

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

Yeah, I actually really like that element. It feels more grounded and realistic than having the Bajorans suddenly become this highly enlightened society after what they've been through.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 05:45

Angry Salami: Jul 27, 2013; Don't trust the skull.

Honestly, I side with the Bajorans. The Skreeans just come across as demanding jerks, insisting Bajor is their holy land despite knowing nothing about it and refuse to consider alternatives. Yeah, ideally the Bajorans should have been more welcoming, but I can't blame them for a, being suspicious about millions of aliens demanding to settle there and b, being skeptical that Bajor's really in a position to absorb millions more people when they're struggling to rebuild as it is.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 06:56

Winifred Madgers: Feb 12, 2002

ok donald

# ? Apr 5, 2022 12:30

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

I do love how they're like 'Yeah, he's got a god complex, it comes with the job' about terraformers as a casual in setting stereotype.

# ? Apr 5, 2022 17:29

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

You just know he requested special dispensation to call his ship the Prometheus

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 04:13

discoukulele: Jan 16, 2010; Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

s02e11 - Rivals

Martus Mazur, an apparent con-man with a gift for �listening� to people gets accosted by Odo after apparently trying to swindle a widow out of her money
Bashir in a spandex onesie
Martus� cell roomie has a �gambling device� that ruined his life. He activates it and it appears to kill him.
O�Brien�s coping with aging
Allegedly he�s only a couple of years older than me, this is bullshit
So naturally Martus offers it to Quark. It doesn�t work out, so he opens a club with a Bajoran widow. Then he proposes to her.
Martus replicated larger versions of the gambling device
There�s a bad luck epidemic
Quark sets up a Bashir vs. O�Brien match to benefit the Bajorphans
God, Martus� mistress/assistant�s hair lmao
win or lose, O�Brien & Keiko gonna bang regardless
Quark tries to drug Bashir to throw the game
O�Brien cuts the transmission mid-game and they figure out that something�s up. The gang shoots the machines.
Martus� first mark was a con artist, too
�Go on, I�m listening� � cast laughs, freeze frame

s02e12 � The Alternate

Frengi chop up their dead and sell them because of course. Plegg, the person Quark is selling, is actually alive
Dr. Mora shows up. He�s more-or-less a father figure for Odo.
I don�t know Star Trek well enough � how long has Klingon opera been a running gag?
Dr. Mora may have discovered Odo�s origins
on LS-IV they possibly discover another Odo. They inadvertantly release a gas that effects everyone but Odo. (is that supposed to be an LSD pun?)
and of course the life form escapes or got set free. It eventually dies in the air ducts.
except it didn�t! And Bashir get tentacled.
aw Odo made his not-dad proud
Dr. Mora claims that Odo might�ve been doing criminal acts during his regeneration period. But maybe he�s also gaslighting him to get him home.
Odo has a horrific transformation.
Dr. Mora becomes the bait for an Odo trap
Dr. Mora leaves but he and Odo attempt to maintain a relationship

s02e13 � Armageddon Game

Bashir & O�Brien help the Kelleruns and T�Lani firgure out how to destroy their Harvester stockpiles. O�Brien destroyed all of the data on how to make them, but they still need to destroy the stockpiles.
Kelleruns show up just as the last batch is being destroyed and blow up the machine. O�Brien gets Harvester liquid on his arm. They beam down to the planet to escape.
The Kellerun ambassador blames O�Brien for the deaths of everyone on board. The DS9 crew watches clearly edited footage.
Bashir sticks his foot in his mouth about O�Brien�s marriage
Sisko has to tell Keiko that O�Brien died
O�Brien and Bashir work together to fix the transmitter
Bashir gave his diaries to Dax
Quark honors O�Brien and Bashir as good customers
Keiko solves the case because she knows O�Brien never drinks coffee in the afternoon
Bashir chose his career over his girlfriend and also he has a foot fetish
Both sides were in on the attack; they needed to kill everyone who had knowledge of the Harvesters
after nearly dying together, Bashir & O�Brien�s relationship is the same as ever
lmao at Keiko & O�Brien�s �But you never drink coffee in the afternoon!� moment

# ? Apr 6, 2022 05:25

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