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Blistex posted:India's defense procurement is the only contender in the world that are clown-shoes enough to make Canada's look like sensible loafers. I know it's a bit outside the topic of the thread, but is it just like, generic corruption and incompetence or are there any sort of big fuckup stories related to it to share?
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Blistex posted:India's defense procurement is the only contender in the world that are clown-shoes enough to make Canada's look like sensible loafers. And yet the only Russian projects that are near modern and make any real progress are the joint Russia/India efforts. Until India drops them to finish it on their own.
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Cythereal posted:My understanding is that India's domestic military industries are in constant crisis due to internal corruption and political fuckery so they keep looking to buy foreign in the hopes of actually ending up with any weapons. I did say strategic aim. Pretty much every policy issue India has is an unfortunate mix of 'they should be a world superpower but oh dear corruption'. They need a big army because they have a continental sized border dispute with everyone to their north. That army has to be cheaply equipped for mass which means that a lot of Western stuff isn't really viable. Russia doesn't deliver, and you can't buy from China because that's one of the countries you might be fighting one day. They're going to continue to rely on Russia for sustainment at the moment but they know they need to move off that reliance asap.
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Alchenar posted:I did say strategic aim. World war III fought with sticks and stones
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Jun 6, 2024 22:14
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Alchenar posted:I did say strategic aim. They're basically kind of almost already fighting China right now, and the "Friendship without limits" thing has to be making India really nervous about their military procurement. If Russia's junior relationship with China is fully realized, India will end up cut off from fuel and armaments if China decides to go hot in the Himalayas or at the Siliguri (sp?) Corridor. Just spelling that out in a bit greater detail. Edit: I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility that India could decide to go hot. Ethnonationalists tend to make poor decisions.
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Jun 6, 2024 23:15
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https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1796991124487242237quote:Holly poo poo… Anti drone cages on Russian motorcycles. Zaporizhzhia front, Robotyne direction. Can't really screenshot the photos, but lmao, you really gotta click through and see those goofy things.
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Jun 6, 2024 23:20
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Even if the cage did its job perfectly, the people in the motorcycles would still get fragged, right?
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Jun 6, 2024 23:22
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PurpleXVI posted:https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1796991124487242237 It’s probably not knowable but I wonder how many Russians have been killed by their cope cage? Some real, “the soviets used a pencil” vibe. Yeah, sure, it’s a simple answer but not a safe or even good answer.
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A.o.D. posted:Even if the cage did its job perfectly, the people in the motorcycles would still get fragged, right? Without a doubt.
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Jun 6, 2024 23:38
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Murgos posted:It’s probably not knowable but I wonder how many Russians have been killed by their cope cage? The first version had a door so that the cage completely enclosed the bike, providing increased protection against drones. Unfortunately, during testing the door was left open overnight and a polecat made its way into the sidecar, undiscovered until after the door was shut and the bike started. Before anyone could open the cage, the driver crashed and was torn to shreds by the panicked mustelid.
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Jun 6, 2024 23:44
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Weasels ripped his flesh?!?
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A.o.D. posted:Weasels ripped his flesh?!? рзззззз!
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PurpleXVI posted:I know it's a bit outside the topic of the thread, but is it just like, generic corruption and incompetence or are there any sort of big fuckup stories related to it to share? Oh boy, there's the time we bought leaky submarines from the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upholder/Victoria-class_submarine#Sale_to_Canada We decided that all new naval ships will be built within Canada, and that means that Canadian oligarch Irving gets to build them. The contracts for construction was commenced almost a decade ago (I know because I had a relative that took a cushy contract to work in Halifax, but he ended up leaving when it came up for renewal because he was tired of his time being wasted) and even now the FIRST ship isn't supposed to be finished construction until the 2030s! Then there's replacing the Sea King helicopter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Sea_King_replacement. That article is just the tip of the iceberg, it took over 30 years to replace those things, and even then the replacements still had issues. When it comes to Canada and procurement, it's not just clown shoes, it's stepping on rakes too
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Aces High posted:Oh boy, there's the time we bought leaky submarines from the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upholder/Victoria-class_submarine#Sale_to_Canada Oh I meant the Indian side of things, but this is interesting, too! Thanks for sharing!
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Ronwayne posted:World war III fought with sticks and stones They always cut off the part of the quote where Einstein explains this is because many of the belligerents will have suffered from complex supply chain issues for extremely mundane reasons.
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Blistex posted:India's defense procurement is the only contender in the world that are clown-shoes enough to make Canada's look like sensible loafers. PurpleXVI posted:I know it's a bit outside the topic of the thread, but is it just like, generic corruption and incompetence or are there any sort of big fuckup stories related to it to share? e: Perun touched on this in either a video he did about the Indian military or on military procurement or possibly both.
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Aces High posted:Then there's replacing the Sea King helicopter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Sea_King_replacement. That article is just the tip of the iceberg, it took over 30 years to replace those things, and even then the replacements still had issues. Oh, that sounds vaguely familiar. Norway ordered new helicopters in 2001, to equip our then-new frigates and to replace the old Westland Lynx ones the coastguard uses. We landed on the NH90, built by Let me just quote a 2022 press release from the government. quote:– Regrettably we have reached the conclusion that no matter how many hours our technicians work, and how many parts we order, it will never make the NH90 capable of to meeting the requirements of the Norwegian Armed Forces. Based on a joint recommendation by the Armed Forces and associated departments and agencies, the Norwegian Government has therefore decided to end the introduction of the NH90 and has authorized the Norwegian Defence Material Agency to terminate the contract, said Norwegian Minister of Defence, Mr. Bjørn Arild Gram. The current status is that we have handed back the helicopters. The deadline for negotiating an economical agreement passed about two weeks ago, so Norway is right now suing NHIndustries for the roughly $500 million we've paid them. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Jun 7, 2024 |
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Our replacement of the Halifax-class frigates and Iroquois-class destroyers (which are all scrap now) with a derivative of the British Type 26s is also shaping up to be a wonderful boondoggle. The deal was signed five years ago for Lockmart to iterate on the Type 26 design to meet the RCN's requirements, despite the RCN's requirements being... pretty drat close to the original spec. Nothing has been announced for years now. The original plan is to have these things entering service before the end of the 2020s, because the destroyers they're replacing would have been closing in on being sixty years old at that point. We literally have no VLS capability until those new ships come into existence, and I would put money down that the Irving oligarchy is going to mean they won't be in service until 2035.
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Jun 7, 2024 10:04
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According to the German Wikipedia article Canadian Sea King pilots have a song that is sung to the tune of Seasons of the Sun:quote:„Goodbye papa, please pray for me Powerful stuff.
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Antigravitas posted:According to the German Wikipedia article Canadian Sea King pilots have a song that is sung to the tune of Seasons of the Sun: Oh? Vat are you Sea-N King about?
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Antigravitas posted:According to the German Wikipedia article Canadian Sea King pilots have a song that is sung to the tune of Seasons of the Sun: I read that as “Shadow on the Sun” & thought of a different helicopter experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBWnGUimRBw
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Antigravitas posted:According to the German Wikipedia article Canadian Sea King pilots have a song that is sung to the tune of Seasons of the Sun: The wardroom in 12 Wing, in Shearwater, had beer mugs boldly emblazoned with "Flying yesterday's helicopters, tomorrow" and included a checklist of all the decades the Sea King was operational.
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Fearless posted:The wardrobe in 12 Wing, in Shearwater, had beer mugs boldly emblazoned with "Flying yesterday's helicopters, tomorrow" and included a checklist of all the decades the Sea King was operational. That's awesome lol
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Jun 7, 2024 17:03
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn00e422yr2o Okay Comrade Putin, you're totally correct and not at all delusional, sir
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn00e422yr2o "It's always a bluff until it is not" is the opposite of what you want your opponents to think.
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quote:Earlier this week, at a meeting with international news agency chiefs in St Petersburg, President Putin suggested that Russia might supply advanced conventional long-range weapons to others to strike Western targets. I'm totally sure that Russia has enough equipment to send to a country, that they also have enough diplomatic leverage over, that definitely wants to initiate a first strike against the US or Europe
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn00e422yr2o Its amazing how a defenceless Europe appears to be able to handle giving tons of equipment and training that has stalled Putin's 3 day special operation for....what, two years now? The Door Frame posted:I'm totally sure that Russia has enough equipment to send to a country, that they also have enough diplomatic leverage over, that definitely wants to initiate a first strike against the US or Europe Again, Brock Samson has an answer for all of us to Putin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kmFQmzBwtU
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At least some of the domestic Indian arms projects get cool Sanskrit names
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CommieGIR posted:Its amazing how a defenceless Europe appears to be able to handle giving tons of equipment and training that has stalled Putin's 3 day special operation for....what, two years now? The quote is: quote:“Europe does not have a developed [early warning system],” he added. “In this sense they are more or less defenceless.” It's almost as if an early warning system is pointless considering Europe directly borders Russia, and nuclear submarines can strike back regardless of Russia's early warning systems. It's just more cope.
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PurpleXVI posted:How many of them will sink or get attacked by bears on the way. They may be attacked near Denmark by *checks notes* Japanese torpedo boats? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4&t=160s
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Drachonofel's video on the 2nd Pacific Squadrons voyage is also worth a watch https://youtu.be/9Mdi_Fh9_Ag?si=JWNDqxZLfkLkSV6c
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RBA-Wintrow posted:They may be attacked near Denmark by *checks notes* Japanese torpedo boats? The Russians being trigger happy in the North Sea is actually one of the least weird things that happened during that voyage. Britain had a defensive alliance with Japan and were the major source of warships for powers who didn't have a native shipbuilding industry. It made a strange sort of sense for stressed Russian gunners to mistake random fishing boats for a Japanese ambush. It was still a moronic turn of events but there's a recognizable chain of logic to it.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The Russians being trigger happy in the North Sea is actually one of the least weird things that happened during that voyage. Britain had a defensive alliance with Japan and were the major source of warships for powers who didn't have a native shipbuilding industry. It made a strange sort of sense for stressed Russian gunners to mistake random fishing boats for a Japanese ambush. It was still a moronic turn of events but there's a recognizable chain of logic to it. Don't make me throw these binoculars at you.
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RandomPauI posted:Drachonofel's video on the 2nd Pacific Squadrons voyage is also worth a watch Don't forget the sequel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpj6nK5ylo Drachinifel is the man. 
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poor waif posted:The quote is: ITs still dumb because the US does provide a lot of Early Warning coverage for Europe via both planes and systems. Besides its not like Russia's radars are really holding their own right now... Just Another Lurker posted:Don't forget the sequel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpj6nK5ylo Drachinifel is the man. Yup, Drachinifel is my favorite Navy video guy.
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Ronwayne posted:World war III fought with sticks and stones BRICS refers to the weapons they use to fight each other https://x.com/clashreport/status/1799370152410223012
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RandomPauI posted:Drachonofel's video on the 2nd Pacific Squadrons voyage is also worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY0ymaD6ZtQ Makes me wonder if they're able to actually reach the Caribbean. Watch Barbados take em out on the way by. B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jun 8, 2024 |
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https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1799708851048247707quote:Russian channel Fighterbomber confirms damage to the Su-57 due to shrapnel. Content: Untranslated post from Fighterbomber, in case anyone wants to see the original text. https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1799702329496863174 quote:Russia’s newest Sukhoi Su-57 multirole fighter jet reportedly hit in a Ukrainian attack - an airfield almost 600 km away from the Ukrainian border. Content: Images of the attack, doesn't look very spectacular but confirms a hit.
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so…he’s not going to say if it can be restored, just that they’ve figured it out? takes some of the fun out of it
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Just lol if the SU-57's first death really does end up being from being parked and getting whacked by a drone.
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