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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin


The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel: The year is 1960ish and we are going to follow the story of Miriam "Midge" Maisel as she transforms from housewife to standup comedian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmwkTrW4OQ

Seasons 1-4 are on Amazon now.

Characters
Rachel Brosnahan - Miriam 'Midge' Maisel
Our 'Hero'. Has her life turned upside down when her husband, angry that he's bad at standup, reveals he's been cheating and wants a Divorce. Talks like Jerry Seinfeld.

Alex Borstein - Susie Myerson
Suzie Meyerson of Meryson and Associates and also works at the Gaslight, a club with a regular open mic night and after witnessing Midge's "debeut" becomes her manager. Talks like an angry Jerry Seinfeld

Michael Zegen - Joel Maisel
Midge's Ex-husband and not really funny guy. Quick talking Jerry Seinfeld if he was divorced with two kids.

Marin Hinkle - Rose Weissman
Midge's Mother, her arc is about finding her place in a world where she has already done 'her job' of raising a family. By season 3 she finds it in being a matchmaker Refined, drunk Jerry Seinfeld

Tony Shalhoub - Abe Weissman
Midge's Father, professor at columbia, and searching for his dream job at Bell Labs. Talks like Jerry Seinfeld if he was slow and tired

Matteo Pascale, Nunzio Pascale - Ethan Maisel
Midge's son. His characterization is just yelling while running in the scenes he's in.

Matilda Szydagis - Zelda
The Weissman's live-in Polish Maid. Talks like Jerry Seinfeld using an offensive accent

Kevin Pollak - Moishe Maisel
Midge's Father-in-Law. Owns a dress shop. Saved THIRTEEN Jews! Invented breatheable fabric for your nuts! He's well off And will provide some financial stability in the lives of all the characters. When Abe loses his job and apartment they have to live with him and Shirley. He also finaces Midge's reacquisition of her apartment. Had a heart attack, got better! Talks like a smug Jerry Seinfeld.

Caroline Aaron - Shirley Maisel
Moishe's Wife. Smarter than she looks. Basically Mrs Castanza, but Jewish.

Joel Johnstone - Archie Cleary
Joel's best bud and Imogine's husband eventual business partner. Jerry Seinfeld in a bit role.

Bailey De Young - Imogene Cleary
Midge's best bud and Archie's wife. Ruthless about Tupperware. Mother. Small Lady-Jerry

Luke Kirby - Lenny Bruce
Foul-mouthed comedian who pushes the limits of New York's blue laws and constantly getting arrested. Will they? Won't they? It's four seasons. Of course they did
Jane Lynch - Sophie Lennon
Thee Sophie Lennon! A living legend! She got a lot of people through the depression. A bit of a has-been who's mutinously curated her image as Sophie from Queens. Hates Midge. Jelous more like. She's at the end of her career and Suzie managing to revive it twice shows us that Suzie, at least, is actually good at her job!

Stephanie Hsu - Mei
Chinese Jerry Seinfeld And Joel's Baby-mama. Realizing that this might mean marriage and having to give up her med-school dreams was an unresolved issue of season 4

Cynthia Darlow - Mrs. Moskowitz
Joel's Secretary after he fucks the other one.Good at her job, and an old woman Jerry Seinfeld.

LeRoy McClain - Shy Baldwin
Musician who represents Midge's First big break. She accidentally 'outs' him as gay to a home crowd, and gets canned as the ending of season 3. It shows how Midge, ultimately, will only care about herself. You know, like Jerry Seinfield.

I watch it because it's unapologetically Jewish, and for whatever reason my wife likes it. But you'll notice that nearly all the charcters have a report and timing like they're all Jerry Seinfeld.
I thought Midge was the commedian and here's everyone and their mothers crackin' wise with perfect timing. It's a love letter to stand-up comedy that keeps getting it's toes right up to the line of saying something but then ultimately backing off.
Come! Bookmark this thread for next season! Feel free to ask what all the yiddish words are, and don't be a shvantz!

And don't forget your wife's brisket!

HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 15, 2022

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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Iím still going through season 4 and itís very funny and charming still but oh MAN is Midge an entitled jerk this season

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012




I basically hate-watch this show. Midge Maisel is genuinely one of the most hateful characters in all fiction. As a general product the show is essentially Mad Men if it thought it was way funnier than it actually was and was completely missing the subtext that both the main character and the 1960s were terrible.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin


Comrade Fakename posted:

I basically hate-watch this show. Midge Maisel is genuinely one of the most hateful characters in all fiction. As a general product the show is essentially Mad Men if it thought it was way funnier than it actually was and was completely missing the subtext that both the main character and the 1960s were terrible.

They're just jokes!

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001




As a lifelong Catholic, Abe introduced me to a scenario I've never needed to consider. I've asked around and no one knows what to do with his unique problem.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012




Sash! posted:

As a lifelong Catholic, Abe introduced me to a scenario I've never needed to consider. I've asked around and no one knows what to do with his unique problem.

As per transubstantiation I would imagine that the wafer hasn't turned into Jesus' flesh until it's down the gullet, so Abe would be free to throw it away.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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I do love Mrs. Maisel, but I'm not sure how I feel about Lenny Bruce being a returning character. Using him right at the beginning kinda made sense as a reference point, but now we're having him become interwoven plot points and it feels a bit off to use a real person in fiction. I know Carol Kaye wasn't particularly enthused by the Carole Keen character that was based on her, and ASP really probably should've at least approached her first. Doing it to someone dead and not even changing the name, it feels a little bit disrespectful.

The season ending has pushed me into yet another rewatch of Gilmore Girls though, so there's that. Anyone who likes Maisel and never bothered with GG really should give that show a shot. At it's best it's just so so great, and if you vibe with ASPs writing from Maisel then it's just that in abundance. Side characters are far, far better too imo.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do






Having never watched Seinfeld but loving this show, would I vibe with Seinfeld? Or should I just leave it alone and stick with this?

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin


Aces High posted:

Having never watched Seinfeld but loving this show, would I vibe with Seinfeld? Or should I just leave it alone and stick with this?

There two major differences:
We are supposed to understand that Jerry and co are poo poo.
There is a laughtrack.

Oh and its a 90's sit com so while there's continuity, there isn't an over-arching plot.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do






are you saying that everyone in Mrs. Maisel isn't a lovely person? I mean, based off of what Susie said when she hijacked another funeral service so she could give Jackie a proper send-off I think the only truly good person on the show is Jackie, and all he does is manage a dive bar.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin


Aces High posted:

are you saying that everyone in Mrs. Maisel isn't a lovely person? I mean, based off of what Susie said when she hijacked another funeral service so she could give Jackie a proper send-off I think the only truly good person on the show is Jackie, and all he does is manage a dive bar.

I'm saying one show wants us to believe they are and the other wants us to believe they aren't.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001




Abe and Dody are good people and I will have nothing of the opposite said about either of them.

And that magician guy who I'm pretty sure is an actual loving sorcerer.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!



I really enjoyed seasons 1-3 and felt each one had a strong setting and arc, but season 4 was just a mess to me.
They were introducing little random plots and characters left and right and just letting them wither, it felt so shallow. Almost every character has become somehow both selfish and self-destructive, so every major plot scene results in them taking a major L and pissing off the people around them. The characters constantly whine about having no money and then pass up every opportunity to get some easy cash. It made no sense when Midge refuses $12,000 (over $100,000 in today money) to just keep quiet about Shy Baldwin. Abe pretty much blows up all of his relationships this season (until the very end).

Also, I know the show's halfway between a cartoon and reality, but there were a shitload of contrived events just to force characters to react to them. It was almost like watching a Final Destination movie where the universe itself had it out for these people. The worst offender was Archie getting the bag of money stolen out of nowhere in an early scene just so that Joel would be angry in his meeting with Midge at the diner. And what the gently caress was with both Alfie and Susie not realizing it was a bad idea to pick Midge's mom out of the crowd and have her ruin their family relationships like that at the magic show. And why was Noah randomly back without an introduction or goodbye??? And are there really crazy early November snowstorms like that? Why didn't they just go past election day for the finale and have it set in December? Just sloppy writing all around.

EL BROMANCE posted:

I do love Mrs. Maisel, but I'm not sure how I feel about Lenny Bruce being a returning character. Using him right at the beginning kinda made sense as a reference point, but now we're having him become interwoven plot points and it feels a bit off to use a real person in fiction. I know Carol Kaye wasn't particularly enthused by the Carole Keen character that was based on her, and ASP really probably should've at least approached her first. Doing it to someone dead and not even changing the name, it feels a little bit disrespectful.
Totally agree. I also don't want him becoming a main character because that cartoonish impression is only good enough as a funny homage or guiding force on the side, not a major dramatic role.

JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 29, 2022

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

This is worse than the red text.


EL BROMANCE posted:

I do love Mrs. Maisel, but I'm not sure how I feel about Lenny Bruce being a returning character. Using him right at the beginning kinda made sense as a reference point, but now we're having him become interwoven plot points and it feels a bit off to use a real person in fiction. I know Carol Kaye wasn't particularly enthused by the Carole Keen character that was based on her, and ASP really probably should've at least approached her first. Doing it to someone dead and not even changing the name, it feels a little bit disrespectful.

The season ending has pushed me into yet another rewatch of Gilmore Girls though, so there's that. Anyone who likes Maisel and never bothered with GG really should give that show a shot. At it's best it's just so so great, and if you vibe with ASPs writing from Maisel then it's just that in abundance. Side characters are far, far better too imo.

Lenny is literally the only interesting part of the show imo. The rest of what is going on is just zero stakes and very hard to care about.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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I'd definitely like an actual show about Lenny, he seemed a super interesting dude in real life and I don't know near enough about him. It'll probably not happen due to it being a bit redundant due to Maisel now, sadly.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001




JazzFlight posted:

] And are there really crazy early November snowstorms like that? Why didn't they just go past election day for the finale and have it set in December? Just sloppy writing all around.


Especially because there actually was a major snowstorm in early December 1960. New York got 17 inches. They had to activate the National Guard to clear drifts in Manhattan.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Greetings from Asbury Park



All I know about Lenny Bruce is what I have seen on the show, but I agree that he is one of the best parts of it.

Ardlen
Sep 30, 2005
WoT





Lenny Bruce's historical Carnegie Hall performance was during a blizzard, but it was on February 4, 1961.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words


I wasn't paying close attention because I lowkey hate the show. Any chance the blizzard was JFK's inauguration rather than his election? There was a big nor'easter on January 19-20 for his inauguration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1961_nor%27easter

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!


EL BROMANCE posted:

I do love Mrs. Maisel, but I'm not sure how I feel about Lenny Bruce being a returning character. Using him right at the beginning kinda made sense as a reference point, but now we're having him become interwoven plot points and it feels a bit off to use a real person in fiction. I know Carol Kaye wasn't particularly enthused by the Carole Keen character that was based on her, and ASP really probably should've at least approached her first. Doing it to someone dead and not even changing the name, it feels a little bit disrespectful.

The season ending has pushed me into yet another rewatch of Gilmore Girls though, so there's that. Anyone who likes Maisel and never bothered with GG really should give that show a shot. At it's best it's just so so great, and if you vibe with ASPs writing from Maisel then it's just that in abundance. Side characters are far, far better too imo.

I've liked Mrs. Maisel by and large, so I'll try to give GG a shot even though it's not my typical type of show. The heightened reality of the show works for me, and I feel like it's been present in shows (especially sitcoms) more than people remember, though it's obviously more prominent than usual here. Shaloub and Pollack do plenty of heavy lifting for me as supporting characters since I like them both a lot in anything I see them in. The actress that plays Midge's mom also got the coolest scene I can recall her having this season too.

I also like that they haven't tried to make Midge a paragon that's held down by sexism but is a pure hero fighting that good fight (my go-to example of that dynamic is the Sharon Carter ABC show). That sort of thing can definitely work, but it's more interesting when the women involved in that sort of narrative are more rounded and realistic. I like that Midge has blindspots due to her privileged upbringing, and that she goes too far in comedy in ways that screw her over, and that she's done things that make it easy to hate her or judge her. I also like that she keeps going out there and trying to succeed in comedy and that she's usually funny when she performs.

Despite my praise for the show, I can agree that the writing can be hit or miss at times in terms the actual plot decisions/actions by the characters, but I can at least justify that by the fact that people don't always act the way you think they would or respond how you think they would to new situations. The dialogue and overall vibe of the show work for me, which helps me forgive other writing/plotting issues, though I can certainly see why some people wouldn't like it or would even hate it.

For what it's worth, Lenny Bruce's daughter is by all accounts very happy to see her father on the show and thinks they're doing a great job of presenting him on it. I know Bruce's actor snagged at least one Emmy and I'd call him an early frontrunner for another Emmy based on his performance in the S4 finale, which features him imitating a famous stand-up appearance by Bruce and following it up with a big dramatic monologue, and I feel like imitations and monologues like that are catnip to the Emmy people. So I'm sure that actor's quite happy with the whole situation, and I expect this show to act as a nice breakout gig that'll lead to something really cool for him.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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Well Iím glad to hear someone in his direct family is happy, that quashes how I feel a good chunk. I do like the actor, character etc just get a bit weirded out because the real guy had no say, but thatís as good as you could ask for really.

Gumby
Jul 23, 2000


Iím also a big fan of the show. My wife started watching it years ago and I sat in on a few episodes, but never made the effort to elevate it on my backlist of shows to watch until season four. It reminds me of Parks and Rec in a way: lots of talented and witty actors and writers, with a semi-wholesome yet flawed ambitious protagonist.

I think at this point the writers are struggling with too many excellently portrayed characters whoíve outlasted their narrative purposes in the larger arc of Midgeís journey. Technically, thereís no real reason for us to still have time given to Joel, Mei Lin, or Joelís parents, but itís fun to see them on the tv, even if whatever theyíre doing makes no goddamn sense half of the time.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Oh my GOD that loving Kennedy fundraiser scene

Penitent
Jul 8, 2005

The Lemonade Man Can


Gumby posted:

Iím also a big fan of the show. My wife started watching it years ago and I sat in on a few episodes, but never made the effort to elevate it on my backlist of shows to watch until season four. It reminds me of Parks and Rec in a way: lots of talented and witty actors and writers, with a semi-wholesome yet flawed ambitious protagonist.

I think at this point the writers are struggling with too many excellently portrayed characters whoíve outlasted their narrative purposes in the larger arc of Midgeís journey. Technically, thereís no real reason for us to still have time given to Joel, Mei Lin, or Joelís parents, but itís fun to see them on the tv, even if whatever theyíre doing makes no goddamn sense half of the time.

One of the things I have enjoyed about the show is that none of the characters are disposal or one note, only serving to accomplish a particular plot point.

For the most part, if the show spends anytime at all on a character, you can bet we will be seeing them again and I think that takes real creativity in the writing to do.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Wow this illegal strip club is spending the new income on some very elaborate sets

Even when this show isnít great itís always wildly entertaining

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EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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Yeah that was my favorite part about the new season to be honest, that club is just wonderful.

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