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Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

best case scenario rn is a sterilizing vaccine that works on all future variants

but we do not live in the "best case scenario" world lol

There's that one the army is developing that is supposed to do this. It's going to be a few years though.

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Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Kylaer posted:

Unfortunately, it's not. There's nothing about the Army one that makes it sterilizing, or any more effective than the ones already on the market against any particular strain. The distinguishing factor for it is that it has the ability to express a whole bunch of different covid spikes simultaneously, which would potentially allow it to induce a broad spectrum of immune response against multiple variants.

It doesn't address the rapid waning of the immune response or the fact that vaccination doesn't result in sterilizing protection.

OH WONDERFUL

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
I have to give a presentation at a private religious school tomorrow. At this point I am more nervous about presenting and speaking than catching covid. The last time I was there everyone was in surgicals or better.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Pingui posted:

Haha, this made me so mad:

It will turn out that this is due to PASC.

This is what I thought when I saw that the milestones had changed.

It is true that school closure and distance learning didn't really work. At least in my experience, and for the learners I work with. I could explain the damage that I am seeing but it would take too long. TLDR, many younger students are behind because they missed a year of school and don't know how to interact with peers.

That being said, we can get most of them caught up pretty quick if we can identify where the gap is. Requiring protections like masks and ventilation could have prevented a lot of these closures, but, freedom.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
Oh! And earlier last year "long covid" is a disabling condition and would require specialized instruction in school for them to succeed. Which is really messed up!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
The schools in my district that did close during omicron did so because staff were out sick and it is impossible to get substitutes, so the principal just closed down. That article is something, holy poo poo.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Zugzwang posted:

Seems like the best solution would’ve been proper masking + ventilation + quarantining of positive cases, then?

hahaha yeah. I reached out to some engineers on twitter and not only were they very nice and helpful, I learned that it's surprisingly easy to filter the air and keep it covid free. There's just no will to do this!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Captain Magic posted:

I hate all the school arguments because they are *right* that our school shutdowns suck, in the same way that losing weight by eating a poo poo load of crappy processed diet foods is a dumb way to live healthy: just because society says it’s “the process” doesn’t make it the process that works when people are talking about mitigating harm

school shutdowns with paying parents to stay home to stop transmission cold would work beautifully in tandem with other lockdowns, would have solved this whole stupid loving problem in like 90 days once upon a time

“how can these children recover from a year of lost education???” is never ever ever ever once not loving ever once put honestly alongside “how will children recover from long term viral damage, death, the same to their peers, teachers, administration, and families?”

You can make up for lost time in education in a dozen different ways; you can’t reteach the love of a dead mother or the benefit of not having type 1 diabetes when you’re loving six

Yeah, agree 100%.

What's going to probably happen is that the richer districts are going to figure out how to mitigate covid, probably through ventilation and filtration, and the poorer districts are going to continue to deteriorate. Just faster than they would if covid wasn't a reality.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Pingui posted:

I guess it is something...

I've been wondering about this king of stuff regarding IDEA. If a student is immunocompromised and can't be in school safely, that would be a violation. I've seen parents take school districts to court for way less than that.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Hahaha honestly when I got vaccinated it was a "might as well" type thing. I didn't think they actually worked.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Thoguh posted:

In the last thread I'd posted a few times about some friends of ours that are very Open Biden post getting boosted last year. They had a vacation booked to the Dominican last December and when they found out they were pregnant they decided to go anyway because of course they did. Then in January she got COVID because they joined a bowling league because of course they did. She felt like poo poo for a week but it was a fairly "mild" case even though she couldn't really take any stuff to reduce the symptoms. Anyway, their next ultrasound showed the baby being smaller than it should be so last week they had a follow up with a specialist. The baby itself is like a week behind how big it's supposed to be but it's head is two weeks behind.

That's right mother fuckers. Zika. She's gotta get tested to see if she caught Zika in the Dominican.

And I can't yell at anyone about how these supposedly very smart people did all sorts of stupid poo poo while my wife and I sat our rear end at home for two years and don't let our baby see anyone outside of daycare besides the grandparents (though now that the weather is improving and cases are lower we plan on seeing some more people outside) because you can't say "I told you so" out loud in this situation so instead I"m posting about it.

God drat.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

tenderjerk posted:

I asked a bunch of questions to HR now that masks are fully optional and they told me that not only do we no longer have to self-report positive tests anymore, but we can still go in even if covid positive but recommend WFH if "you don't feel well"

is this normal now? I don't mean the question philosophically, just is this normal

This is normal where I'm at, yeah.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
I have some good news! The religious school I am giving this training at still has the teachers and students in surgicals or better. I guess at least the Islamic community here is still taking this seriously.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

lol

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Asproigerosis posted:

Lol you didn't need a study to know vitamin d is not an effective treatment against covid.

I think I mentioned this in the other thread but a friend of mine is convinced he can cure it with olive leaf extract.

Thing is he might actually get covid, drink the juice, eventually recover, and then never shut up about how he cured it with juice.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Why Am I So Tired posted:

Getting nervous about the supply chain thing too. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good, affordable treadmill (that can be delivered or fit inside a Honda Civic)? Or spinning bike? Don't really want to splurge on a Sole F63 but maybe that's the smart option if I can figure out the delivery situation.

If you think it will work for you, you can get a kettlebell and a jump rope from walmart for around 50 bucks.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Why Am I So Tired posted:

Oh I ended up getting Powerblocks back in November and I've been doing Millionaire Hoy workouts for the past two years. My wife just really wants something like a treadmill or spinning bike so she can just get moving in here and zone out for 30-60 minutes.

Oh nice! We bought a spinning bike for the same reason. I am glad I started the home gym before covid because equipment is probably more expensive now.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Why Am I So Tired posted:

What kind of bike do you have? Happy with it? Yeah wish I'd invested in home gym stuff before everything really kicked off and before prices started shooting up, not expecting to ever set foot in a gym again.

We have a Schwin ic3. My wife loves it. Noise was a big factor for us because we had a young baby when we bought it. This bike is solid and pretty quiet.

Edit: you also don't have to plug it in or anything which is nice

Greg Legg has issued a correction as of 00:20 on Mar 27, 2022

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

mdemone posted:

everyone read this book right now



Okay. I'm reading this now and will try to finish it today.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

mdemone posted:

everyone read this book right now



I am halfway through this book.

Is this thread slowing down because of the new cdc guidelines, Ukraine, or something else?

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

mdemone posted:

everyone read this book right now



All right, I finished it. Thank you for the recommendation.

Strep Vote posted:

It's because we are running blind and can't trust the numbers. Trying to read the tea leaves from the bottom of an Arizona bottle.

This seems to be the case!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

mdemone posted:

wow very well done

I thought she had several choice bits but then a little bit was rambling. still I'll keep it in mind for the reason that it's the first time I understood that Covid could actually be a wrench in the works

I got off easy because my kids were pretty good just playing together and that gave me some time to read. It's given me a lot to think about so I really appreciate you bringing it up!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Sex Arse of Calais posted:

edit: o what a terrible snipe, please enjoy Nutmeg as penance


Nutmeg is cool!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Why Am I So Tired posted:

When I was three years old my parents took me to a new doctor. He sterilized whatever he was going to look in my throat with with a lighter (what the hell) and I thought it was going to burn my mouth. He told me if I didn't open my mouth and stop fidgeting he'd never let me see my parents again.

What the gently caress

Sex Arse of Calais posted:

edit: goddamn it not again, uhhhh here's Penelope


Penelope is cool!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

This is something. Wow.

Anyway I am on spring break so I'm not going to be exposed to covid in schools until next Monday.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Nocturtle posted:

WRT reinfections, interesting to compare recent and early pandemic studies, quoting here just some summary articles:

Oct 2020:

March 2022:

The earlier observations were not systematic, but to a layman it looks like SARS-COV-2 got a lot better at reinfecting people over the past couple of years. Previously reinfections were rare, now they're happening within weeks. The virus is a lot more widespread now, but the neutralizing antibody data suggests the underlying problem is there's just not much adapative immune response. Maybe it was always this way and we're really noticing now because we're just letting it spread without constraint.

Also while looking up the old Derek Lowe article I tripped across this April 2020 twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/statesdj/status/1252698979285991424
Sounds familiar. More time is needed to determine when people need boosters though.

Thank you for posting this and the information about long covid. The amount of people who refuse to accept that reinfections and PASC are very real possibilities is worrying.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
My folks are visiting. Hopefully we timed this right. They're not quite on board with Open Biden because my mom surprisingly said he's a failure. I have found out that my brother is completely against the vaccine and won't give it to my neices. He's also against masks in schools.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i've said it in multiple threads but it remains true: society-wide senioritis. everybody is checked out and waiting for the wheels to finally fall off this thing so whatever is next can start.

During the George Floyd protests someone either on here or on twitter said we were in the "events leading up to" portion of the wikipedia article. It's just taking longer than we thought at the time.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Gio posted:

cant sleep. thinkin bout covid :3:

I can't sleep either. I don't know if it's because of my kids or not. I feel fine but I also think I shouldn't be waking up at 3:30 every morning. Interesting times.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
For covid specific content I am now in a meeting discussing if we should provide snacks when we meet in person next month. We already voted on this and the majority wanted it to be held virtually!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Nurse, prep these children!

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

silicone thrills posted:

Jesus christ. My friend who's 40 weeks pregnant and is undergoing all her pre birth checks just tested positive. Shes hardcore about curbside pickup only, always wearing an aura, etc. and losing her poo poo. her husband wont be able to be in the room with her. Triple vaxxed. Shes an introverted UX designer who does remote work only. Lives in a house in Boston.

Brutal, sorry. Hoping for the best.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
Have any media outlets reported that we crossed a million deaths? I think I've only seen that number in this thread.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

A Bakers Cousin posted:

No ones cleaning an apartment in a clean suit cause things went well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6MldwoTi3s

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Hahahah what? This is an incredible conclusion to reach.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

More proof that they don't want you to know the truth.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

I dunno if it was in this thread, but someone I know was complaining to me that he couldn't get a prescription for ivermectin. When I asked him if he tried asking a doctor he got mad at me, and when I sent him links so he could buy some off amazon he stopped talking to me.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

cr0y posted:

Did he die

No, but I think he kind of wants to get covid so he can try to cure it with olive leaf extract. He was eating magnesium regularly as some kind of covid prevention method until my wife told him how badly he could gently caress himself up if he overdosed.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
I'm on spring break so I took my son to the library. He was wearing his kn95, and of all the kids there he started playing with another boy who was also in a mask. I guess this is how things are now. We exchanged numbers with the parents. It was like talking to someone who posts in this thread.

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Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

fosborb posted:

the guy who owns these storage sites died of covid



The rental place in my hometown would do stuff like this. The awesome thing is that I don't remember the signs being political until Trump and I imagine he's gotten more insane. I left before Let's Go Brandon really took off.

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