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BlazetheInferno posted:For the curious, those pressure pads involve a semi-hidden path through some rubble that's not hard to assume is impassable. It might also be behind a house one must destroy, but I might be remembering a different secret. Either pressure pad would raise a bridge to get across and access some bonus loot. The worst part about the undead campaign is how much the devs apparently love Death Pact over the DK's actual useful skills.
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Rhonne posted:Did you forget the intermission between the first and second missions? I'm pretty sure there was one involving Sylvanas and the Dreadlords before this.  ...Well, that's weird. I actually recorded missions 1 and 2 in one sitting, and that cutscene didn't play. I guess I'll have to make a bonus mini-update. Chalking this up to more Reforged weirdness.
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Yeah, I figured that game probably messed it up for you somehow. It's kind of an important cutacene, too.
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Man, Whitemane is wearing way more clothes in that art than she does in Heroes of the Storm.
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Kith posted:Man, Whitemane is wearing way more clothes in that art than she does in Heroes of the Storm. Or in WoW. I think it's that she has pants in that artwork. Rest of the outfit seems to be mostly the same. Fake edit: also sleeves? Her standard outfit is basically a one piece swimsuit, a scarlet crusade tabard, thigh-high boots, her signature hat and gloves.
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I do like the detail that Sally Whitemane is ridiculously naturally good at resurrection magic. To the point that the reason the Scarlet Crusade from Classic WoW made it to Cataclysm and she remained the High Inquisitor is that whenever she was killed she would self-revive and then revive all her dead allies. So long long as she was able to bring herself back from death the Crusade were more or less impossible to exhaust of fighting forces. Notably she only was stopped in Cataclysm via cursed runeblades (2 even) being used to impale and block her ability to auto-revive, and if they were ever removed from her corpse she would rise again. It's really rare to have an unkillable villain where the source of said unkillability is more or less light/holy resurrection.
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Dec 30, 2023 18:17
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The stuff about the Scarlet Crusade in Gilneas is related to the upcoming DF patch in which the Gilneans finally retake their home. While the quests themselves are still encrypted, everything points to the Scarlet Crusade being the main antagonists of this, and Horde players will be able to the questline too(most likely in disguise). As you can imagine, this has been controversial among certain parts of the playerbase. Some Horde players think they shouldn't be helping the Glneans retake their land, and some Alliance players think the Horde shouldn't be allowed to help and that they should be fighting Forsaken instead of the Crusade. I'm just happy that they'll finally do something with that cool big city that's just been sitting there since Cataclysm.
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Lord_Magmar posted:I do like the detail that Sally Whitemane is ridiculously naturally good at resurrection magic. To the point that the reason the Scarlet Crusade from Classic WoW made it to Cataclysm and she remained the High Inquisitor is that whenever she was killed she would self-revive and then revive all her dead allies. So long long as she was able to bring herself back from death the Crusade were more or less impossible to exhaust of fighting forces. The bolded part isn't true, I believe - they were removed near immediately by the NPC who told you to impale her with them in the first place, who went on to use them as her primary weapons for a while. Whitemane, meanwhile, stayed dead until Legion. BlazetheInferno fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 30, 2023 |
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BlazetheInferno posted:The bolded part isn't true, I believe - they were removed near immediately by the NPC who told you to impale her with them in the first place, who went on to use them as her primary weapons for a while. Whitemane, meanwhile, stayed dead until Legion. You know what fair enough, I went and checked and my memory was off because the blades straight up change shape after killing Whitemane and I thought I remembered her corpse still impaled with said blades in Legion. Still, interesting and novel that she had the self-revive thing going on regardless and needed special magic blades to be permanently killed. A thing that usually happens to dark wizard types, not holy priestesses.
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I honestly think the biggest reason that The Scarlet Crusade managed to live rent-free in WoW's headspace is because the Scarlet Cathedral, a mid-point series of leveling dungeons, was probably the best set of dungeons in Vanilla WoW, and everyone ran them all the time. Even the Alliance players who had no convenient way to fast travel to the Cathedral. But these dungeons were, compared to all the others, well focused, relatively quick to do, simple to grasp in terms of pull mechanics, and had rewards that were desirable at that point in the game.
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Part of the reason they were so popular is because there was a whole bunch of fantastic loot in there. Armory offered the always-hilarious Ravager axe, there was a whole mess of great Mail gear for Warriors and melee Paladins who weren't itching to get their hands on Plate stuff, and for Hunters and Enhancement shamans eager to upgrade, Library has a bunch of great caster items, there's the iconic Hat off of Whitemane herself, plus people going for quests, like anyone who wanted to get their hands on the Sword of Omen.
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Rhonne posted:The stuff about the Scarlet Crusade in Gilneas is related to the upcoming DF patch in which the Gilneans finally retake their home. And it's more proof that the books are a waste of everyone's time. War Crimes said that the Alliance retook Gilneas during Mists of Pandaria, taking advantage of the Horde's civil war to drive them out of Ashenvale and Gilneas. A Blizzard dev commented on that saying it would alas never be reflected in the game unless the Horde drove the Alliance out of two zones in exchange to keep things fair.
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It's pretty funny that, despite being such a big part of the game and constantly coming back, the Scarlet Crusade never appears in any raids. Poor guys peaked at "5-man dungeon" level threat.
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The historical books are fine (basically just about everything leading up to WoW). It's all the books that try to fill in gaps between expansions or big events that are a mess because they either feel like required reading (hi Varian) or try to make everything canon-compliant and still be reflected in the game and tend to fail at least one of them.
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Scarlet Monastery's placement was also funny for being located in the Forsaken's starting zone. While it was normal for newbie qiests to try and claim life was dangerous and precarious, the Forsaken could actually see, three feet away, a bunch of mobs substantially too high for you to fight. And of course, run too far in another direction and you enter one of the end game zones. I'll note another reason for SM's popularity was that Whitemane running out to rez Mograine was about as "cinematic" as fights got back then, which also lead to it being more memorable. Scarlets were also wound up in the neverending rumor mill regarding the legendary blade Ashbringer, which looks very stupid if I could note, but had players going gonzo over. At the time there were two "legendary" items in the game, and neither one actually had much in the way of a cool story behind it, so the idea of being able to use a legendary weapon with some actual history appealed to people. Also, Ret paladins were clinging to anything that could make them cool, because the class was in the dregs for quite awhile. There were small crumbs of story about Ashbringer in Vanilla, a bit more in Burning Crusade, and it would finally appear in Wrath of the Lich King...where another NPC used it, not you, lol. Paladins would finally get their cool (dumb looking) sword alongside all the other class relics in Legion, and then promptly threw them away the very next expansion.
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It did contribute to a general feeling of The Forsaken being a bit more on the edge of survival than the other racial capitals, what with them basically picking up the pieces in a ruined post apocalypse.
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Capfalcon posted:It did contribute to a general feeling of The Forsaken being a bit more on the edge of survival than the other racial capitals, what with them basically picking up the pieces in a ruined post apocalypse. ...you know this got me realising that of the six capital cities in vanilla WoW, Ironforge was the only one to not be recently (re-)built.
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Capfalcon posted:What happened to thunder bluff? Somebody called it.
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Capfalcon posted:What happened to thunder bluff? It was only founded after WC3.
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The tauren were nomads and didn't build permanent settlements until they learned they were going to be in an MMO and the game design couldn't deal with them moving around.
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I will say that the thread is as far from the typical toxic soup as the MMOs can be, sometimes. The fanboys have sort of been weeded out by this point, since either they got tired of the constant barrage of Warcraft's flaws being highlighted, or they straight up got banned or probated for stirring up poo poo. So by this point, anyone who'd be a true rear end in a top hat about the LGBT stuff is likely gone. For me, my liking of the Scarlet Crusade is that they seemed to have a lot more effort put into them than the majority of the other dungeons. There's a very distinct feeling of a Scarlet Crusade dungeon, yet they still manage to remain pretty independently distinct for each of their dungeons. Then there's the fact that it was mechanically beneficial to run the dungeons too for the memorable looking gear that you previously saw being in the bosses hands. The dungeons were definitely more linear than a lot of WoW's initial dungeons, but considering that a lot of the other dungeons were just straight up confusing to navigate due to some incredibly iffy design, that kind of worked into its favour. The voice lines also did some heavy lifting for the bosses, with "Arise, my champion" and "Burn in righteous fire!" being very easy for me to remember to this day despite having stopped WoW a long time ago. There's also the idea of just going to the church and seeing the 4 different instance entrances. It really gave a feeling of raiding specific wings of this admittedly oddly huge church. Cythereal posted:And it's more proof that the books are a waste of everyone's time. War Crimes said that the Alliance retook Gilneas during Mists of Pandaria, taking advantage of the Horde's civil war to drive them out of Ashenvale and Gilneas. This is the most offensively plastic statement I've ever seen regarding what claims to be a creative work in any way. How anyone can take Warcraft's story seriously with this level of artificiality being enforced into the game is.... just.... yeah.
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Keldulas posted:I will say that the thread is as far from the typical toxic soup as the MMOs can be, sometimes. The fanboys have sort of been weeded out by this point, since either they got tired of the constant barrage of Warcraft's flaws being highlighted, or they straight up got banned or probated for stirring up poo poo. So by this point, anyone who'd be a true rear end in a top hat about the LGBT stuff is likely gone. The kind of people you're talking about haven't been allowed on this website in like a decade lol
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That was a response to Cythereal's comment in the update about being surprised about that, though I do admit I didn't fully think the situation through either.
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Fajita Queen posted:The kind of people you're talking about haven't been allowed on this website in like a decade lol Considering I've had goons tell me to kill myself in public chats (in game chats in goon guilds, not on SA) within the last couple of years for my opinions on video games, I take nothing for granted where goon behavior is concerned. Sorry.
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Past WotLK, Scarlet Crusade does seem like a victim of their own success. Even at that point, they had mostly devolved into mooks and jokes, but past that, I don't know who would join up with a team that has taken nothing but L's for about a decade.
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Keldulas posted:This is the most offensively plastic statement I've ever seen regarding what claims to be a creative work in any way. How anyone can take Warcraft's story seriously with this level of artificiality being enforced into the game is.... just.... yeah. Fortunately, Blizzard eventually fixed this imbalance. Unfortunately, the narrative explanation for this much-needed gameplay change was "Garrosh's Horde goes on a warpath and conquers Alliance lands."
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Yeah wow territories on release were insane. Horde characters languagishing in The Barrens for hours on end while alliance-characters had a smörgåsbord of safe starting paths.
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Interlude: Beckon the Vengeful As promised, a mini-update covering the cutscene that didn't play for whatever reason. Reforged has had issues with cinematics playing correctly.   How could I not? For some reason I no longer hear the Lich King's voice in my head. My will is my own once again. You dreadlords seem to know why. We've discovered that the Lich King is losing his power! As it wanes, so too does his ability to command undead such as you. And what of King Arthas? What of his powers? So does she not know that the dreadlords created the Lich King and are thus indirectly responsible for her state? That was not common knowledge among the Scourge. The relationship between the Scourge, the Legion, and the dreadlords was never clear to most. And then it turned out we were wrong about everything anyway because apparently no one ever thought to look into where the Scourge's powers come from independently rather than drawing on the arcane lore taught by the dreadlords. If curiosity killed the cat, then Azeroth suffers from what one dwarf death knight once described to me as 'the intellectual equivalent of a thermonuclear catsplosion.' You seek to overthrow him, and you want my help to do it. The Legion may be defeated, but we are the Nathrezim! We'll not let some upstart human get the best of us! Arthas must fall! The lich, Kel'Thuzad, is far too loyal to betray his master. But you, on the other hand... 'Thermonuclear catsplosion?' I do not know and I do not want to know.  Dwarves, mon. I'll take part in your bloody coup, but I'll do so in my own way.Be patient, y'all. We'll discuss Sylvanas and what's going on with her soon.  Don't be too hasty. She has great spirit, but her hatred for Arthas will ultimately serve our cause. Agreed. Well, if that's settled, then let the festivities commence...Consider this a notice: for about the next five LP updates, I do not expect but I do demand that posters in this thread exercise good judgment when discussing the lore. We're about to hit some of the most controversial and heated topics in WoW history.
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Almost as though staffing your officer corps with magically enslaved people who hate you has downsides.
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Cythereal posted:I do demand that posters in this thread exercise good judgment uh oh
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BlazetheInferno posted:Part of the reason they were so popular is because there was a whole bunch of fantastic loot in there. Also wool and silk. And a great source of enchantment materials. A lot of casters went Tailoring/Enchanting as their professions, and anyone who did so undoubtedly spent quite a bit of time in SM farming. Cloth could drop from pretty much any humanoid enemy, and since SM was a dungeon pretty much exclusively populated by humanoids, broken up into 4 small dungeons, it was incredibly lucrative for farming.
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PurpleXVI posted:Almost as though staffing your officer corps with magically enslaved people who hate you has downsides. The funny thing is that this statement can apply to Arthas/Nerzhul or the Legion.
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Cythereal posted:Consider this a notice: for about the next five LP updates, I do not expect but I do demand that posters in this thread exercise good judgment when discussing the lore. We're about to hit some of the most controversial and heated topics in WoW history. It begins. 
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Honestly, even knowing what Cyth is talking about, I have no idea how or why any of that would be controversial. I'm genuinely interested in seeing what the fuss is all about.
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She's already mentioned there are people who will say the Scarlet Crusade were in the right. Add on to that the full range of dumb bullshit across all the expansions and how people get invested in justifying their own faction that they actually play... Yeah. Yeah...
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Ah, yes. The good old Shirt Color Brainworms. That makes sense.
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Cythereal posted:Consider this a notice: for about the next five LP updates, I do not expect but I do demand that posters in this thread exercise good judgment when discussing the lore. We're about to hit some of the most controversial and heated topics in WoW history. I picked the wrong time to catch up
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Well, for my new years eve dinner tonight, I think I'll make some Kul Tiras food
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