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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

pastor of muppets posted:

It goes even beyond that! The Targs and the Baratheons cross over several times. Rhaenys is the most obvious example, but one of Aegon Vís daughters, Rhaelle, marries a Baratheon, too. Sheís literally Robertís grandmother.

Yea which is why they're all "eh, he's Targ enough" when he took the throne, but i don't think it was mentioned that they came with Aegon.

Man I'd love to see a Robert's Rebellion series, and show a more turthful verison of the story, about how Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark were totally into each other and that generally the entire thing was built on a lie that Robert told himself, and Ned's honour forced himself and the rest into the war over that lie.

That brief moment in one of Jaime's chapters were he remembers the last time he saw Rhaegar and he remembers being told "when i put down this rebellion, things will change" which is heavily implied that Rhaegar was going to come back and take out his dad and end the madness.

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Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009
BUTTS





twistedmentat posted:

Yea which is why they're all "eh, he's Targ enough" when he took the throne, but i don't think it was mentioned that they came with Aegon.

Man I'd love to see a Robert's Rebellion series, and show a more turthful verison of the story, about how Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark were totally into each other and that generally the entire thing was built on a lie that Robert told himself, and Ned's honour forced himself and the rest into the war over that lie.

That brief moment in one of Jaime's chapters were he remembers the last time he saw Rhaegar and he remembers being told "when i put down this rebellion, things will change" which is heavily implied that Rhaegar was going to come back and take out his dad and end the madness.

Okay, but only if he's still played by Mark Addy.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010



Gods I am strong now

BiggestBatman
Aug 23, 2018


To the question of rhaenyra being the more sympathetic one, next season she'll be the main character for sure but if they're smart they'll write her as increasingly paranoid and self centered once she retakes KL and by the end of the season three there won't be too many sympathetic characters beyond Addam of Hull

boo boo bear
Oct 1, 2009

I'm COMPLETELY OBSESSED with SEXY EGGS

twistedmentat posted:

Also its made me wonder, if the Targs and a few others were Valyarians, who were all the soldiers Aegon brought with him?

I think the targs had been living on dragonstone for over a century before the conquest kicked off, so they were probably locals that got press-ganged.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

twistedmentat posted:

That brief moment in one of Jaime's chapters were he remembers the last time he saw Rhaegar and he remembers being told "when i put down this rebellion, things will change" which is heavily implied that Rhaegar was going to come back and take out his dad and end the madness.

I recall a theory that Rhaegar had basically been planning a bloodless coup for awhile against his father, and that the tourney at Harrenhal was where he met with all the assorted Wardens of the Kingdom to plan it out. The basic idea was that he would depose his father and at the same time all the Wardens would declare for him leaving no room for any rebellion among their vassals. This was also the same time where suddenly the Wardens all married their children off to each other criss-crossing Tully's to Starks, Baratheons to Starks, Lannisters to...I can't recall anymore. But the idea was that the marriages were kind of a poison pill preventing any of the houses from pressing the "betray" button when the time came.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house I have felt covid is the best thing that ever happened to me. But instead of enjoying this, I now spend up to 16 hours a day posting weird fake vaccine news and medical advice on some weird idea I can extend covid and keep pretending I'm a shut in on propose.

I mean maybe.

But I think that the main reason that all the paramount houses married to each other is because G.R.R.M. hadnít written the backstory on the lesser houses and characters yet.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

Platystemon posted:

I mean maybe.

But I think that the main reason that all the paramount houses married to each other is because G.R.R.M. hadnít written the backstory on the lesser houses and characters yet.

Yeah, most of the time the theory iceberg is just stuff that could work. But things involving Rhaegar sometimes could be more likely than most. While GRRM didn't have all the tiny stuff hammered out when writing A Game of Thrones, we know for a fact that the Jon Snow parentage was definitely in there and that his "unreliable narrator" descriptions of the brute Rhaegar were meant to be misleading. I really do feel that there was supposed to be this tragic story of what could of been involving Rhaegar and it's one of the actual real subplots that GRRM was hiding throughout all the books (vs most of the other theories which are cute but have no real affect on the story).

pastor of muppets
Aug 21, 2007

We were somewhere around the Living Hive, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

BiggestBatman posted:

To the question of rhaenyra being the more sympathetic one, next season she'll be the main character for sure but if they're smart they'll write her as increasingly paranoid and self centered once she retakes KL and by the end of the season three there won't be too many sympathetic characters beyond Addam of Hull

LOYAL

:smith:

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Typo posted:

also looking forward to

Aemond: "you have lived too long uncle"

Daemon: "on that much we agree"

If they don't use nuncle I'm going to throw a fit.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧



Grunkle Daemon

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

bobjr posted:

Grunkle Daemon

"i am not going back to dornish prison"

"yes burn the child"

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