That DICK! posted:

CapnAndy posted:

Mushroom's history is more like "actually, all the major players in this political event were just constantly loving and sucking each other, total pervs and morons, while I heroically ran the whole goddamn war from both sides because I am the smartest and have the biggest dick". Every time the maester is forced to admit that actually, in this case Mushroom's account of certain events is the most plausible, even through the text you can see just how annoyed he is to have to give any credibility to the history.

Mameluke posted:

ya lmao of all the horrible fictitious targs i also hate baelor the most

Anonymous Zebra posted:

I'm having trouble remembering Aegon II before he gets crispy, but I thought it was Aemon that was the rear end in a top hat more than Aegon. Aemon is the one that tries to harass his cousins and gets a knife in the eye for his trouble. Aemon is also the one that turns the cold war hot when he kinslays.

CapnAndy posted:

What can they do, though? The Targaryens all murder themselves pointlessly, Aegon III is a depressed wreck who has a miserable life, the dynasty never recovers even a fraction of its strength, and apparently Dany goes loving crazy and ends the line forever so we can't even flash forward to her on the throne or something.

PostNouveau posted:

Yeah same. Until this show I thought the Targs were a thousands of years dynasty

bobjr posted:

Just have the last episode be Cregan Stark showing up and being pissed off at everything, killing or sending someone to the wall.

End on an Aegon IV preview.

Platystemon posted:

The Arryns’ status as a Great House only dates to the Andal Invasion.

Platystemon posted:

The Targaryens weren’t even the only dragonlords to survive the Doom. They’re merely the only ones whose dragons survived the ensuing series of wars (“Century of Blood”) over the remnants of the freehold.

All of the Free Cities, excepting Braavos, were colonies of the Freehold. Valyrian blood can still be found in them, but no dragons.

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I just remember that the books and early seasons made a big deal about covering Dany’s hair, even in Essos, because it was so distinctive. There’s still got to be whole towns full of the silver haired weirdos. Like how Westerners may talk about “the lost Mayan civilization”, where there still are whole rural communities of ethnic Mayans in South America.

Jaxyon posted:

I don't think the issue is the *sides* being good or bad, but having a character I can root for who isn't a pretty lovely person. You can still have fairly good/honorable people involved in a pretty awful conflict, especially when you're talking about fantasy entertainment and not anything like a real history.

It helps a viewer invest in a show rather than just moving from titillating violence or sex each episode. How do you expect me to care about a character arc if I don't like the character

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not anything like a real history.

alcaras posted:

The Cole / Rhaenyra scene didn't happen in the books, right?

Bloody Pom posted:

Not that I can find, but imagine Robert but a Targ and 10x worse and suddenly the title makes sense. He sired a whole bunch of bastards and legitimized a lot of them on his deathbed, which directly led to the Blackfyre Rebellions.

Toplowtech posted:

Aemon the Dragonknight is super weird, because he obviously would have made a better King but uncle the king made him white cloak when he was still 5th in the inheritance line. Also died protecting Aegon if i remember correctly.

ruddiger posted:

Is Aemon the one who gets bashed in the head and has his brains leaking out when he takes off his helmet in the dunk and egg book?

bobjr posted:

I think you'll get some of them at least, presumably the most important ones like Nettles, while cutting some on the lesser important ones.

Pattonesque posted:

really curious if they have Daemon live and slink away to go live quietly with Nettles

Anonymous Zebra posted:

The show was already renewed. I'm not sure if they'll get that far next season though. Don't Criston and Daemon both do those things at the end of the war? I see both living all next season, but all the kids dying. We WILL get Blood & Cheese though.

bobjr posted:

I think in universe both sides have their biases, so on Rhayerna’s side it’s treated like he betrayed her, when Alicent it’s treated like he’s the one who corrupted Aegon II and made him bad.

But even without biases I feel like they won’t make him a good guy in the show.

ruddiger posted:

I can’t wait for Otto to come back to court only for Aegon to be like “gently caress off gramps, Criston’s my hand”

twistedmentat posted:

I thought this was the Northren Conspiracy but that's actually about dealing with the Boltons rather than the Targs pre Robert.

I don't think Cerasi was ever promised to anyone before Robert? She wanted Rhaegar but he married what's her name from Dorne.

It is painted as a tragedy that Rhaegar died before he could become king, but he was pretty much the architect of his own demise.

I forgot that Cole tries to one on one a Black but they go yea right and mag dump arrows into him. That will be satisfying to see. I figure tonight we'll see Daemon and Rhae get hitched, and then next week Visarys will die and the end of the season will be Rhae being crowned on Dragonstone. And then Mushroom pops up and goes "as so the Dance of Dragons begins!" As his whips out his dick.

bobjr posted:

The Greens get the armies closest to Kings Landing on their side with the Reach and the Lannisters, while the Blacks have the North and the Vale which take more time to get there, and once they do show up the Greens are vastly outnumbered and lose most battles that don't have a dragon involved.

Laena's kid even does the most damage to the Greens outside of Daemon and takes out Aegon's dragon and cripples him for life.

DJ_Mindboggler posted:

I have a question for people who've read the books/are more in the know on GoT lore than I. How legitimate were Laena's kids' claims that Vhagar was "theirs" to inherit? Laena seemed to outright state in a previous episode that dragons bond with those with the strength to claim them. Aemond cowboy'd up and won the prize, was their reaction just grief/entitlement or has there been a tradition of direct transfer of dragons from parent to child that Aemond violated?

PostNouveau posted:

drat you can stay neutral? Seems like the pro-strat right there.

Just show up 5 minutes after the last battle ends with a gift basket for the winner.

Xiahou Dun posted:

Is there an actual lore source that says why dragons got small and lovely then died out?

I thought it was them incesting in Westeros post-Valyria + the theme of magic “dying out”, but I can’t remember if that’s actually specified or if I made it up.

twistedmentat posted:

I thought it was Joff that died in the navel battle, his ship went down and was shot full of arrows while clinging to wreckage? Also its funny with Corlys going on about his legacy and such when his house is all but forgotten by the time of Game of Thrones. They are sworn to Stannis but its not really implied they're particularly important if I remember. That and stealing Cersei's fleet.

I realized that Woiaf is like the rpg sourcebook, but Fire and Blood is like when someone writes a novel based on that RPG setting so there's more detail of the characters.

General Dog posted:

This thing seems like it’s going to be done after two seasons, right?

Anonymous Zebra posted:

we get the Kingsguard identical twin assasination plot.

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Considine also takes credit for a cameo we'll see later on in the season. "I'm responsible for Mushroom being in this show," he said, referring to the official court fool who was the "source" of lots of court gossip in George R.R. Martin's "The World of Ice & Fire," the book the series is based on.

"I'm taking that, because I'm looking through [the scripts] and I'm going 'Where's Mushroom? How come he's nowhere to be seen? He's got to be around here somewhere.' [Co-showrunner Ryan Condal] will say it was all his idea, but we managed to squeeze him in somewhere. And that was because of me

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Anonymous Zebra posted:

I mean, I guess we'll see, but Fire & Blood is only roughly 750 pages long and only 500 of those are this story. There's enough in there to tell a good story, but I think even 4 seasons is pushing it.