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 it never was a democracyTerrible snipe here's a cat lolling about in the sun like a dumb idiot. 
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The value of your union is always related to your workplace - unless it's a scab union and so is literally there to do nothing then a bad union but with more members where you work will get you better results than a better union where you are the only member.
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Jun 24, 2022 18:40
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Darth Walrus posted:Guerrillas don't do open battle, by definition. They simply make a state ungovernable until state power starts eroding and defecting. It's been highly successful around the world in modern times against militaries just as advanced as America's, and the USA has excellent geography for it if the population does choose to remove its consent. Yes, it will be insanely gruesome, but that doesn't in and of itself mean that a total victory for the state is preordained. At the very least, I reckon you'd see some quite successful regional secessionist movements, even if the places that end up seceding are wildly unpredictable. Making the state ungovernable _is_ the ideology of the US right. If there is a potential road to political victory that leads through bombing health clinics and schools, it is not the left that is positioned to take it.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:13
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radmonger posted:Making the state ungovernable _is_ the ideology of the US right. If there is a potential road to political victory that leads through bombing health clinics and schools, it is not the left that is positioned to take it. You're missing the middle step known as mutualism. For example someone that needs insulin but makes glasses, will run into someone that needs glasses and knows how to extract insulin from pigs. Mutual exchange.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:20
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Libertarian municipalism sounds like the smallest social unit that kind of thing can work at while providing reasonably modern services and not falling apart.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:29
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Guavanaut posted:Libertarian municipalism sounds like the smallest social unit that kind of thing can work at while providing reasonably modern services and not falling apart. I would have to ask you what you mean by "freedom" or liberty then. 
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Jun 24, 2022 19:31
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The current state with all its apparatus struggles to keep me alive so I'd just drop dead in such a libertarian society, I accept that, maybe it would be financially prudent, I just find it kind of funny
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Jun 24, 2022 19:37
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Zalakwe posted:What are folks views on Prospect as a Union? I haven't been part of one since I left the civil service years ago but am now thinking of diving back in. I'm in Prospect and it's alright but my experience as part of a large branch is probably going to be different to yours as presumably just part of a region. If there's no current union presence in your office then you might as well start somewhere and you could certainly do worse than Prospect. (Mainly I just want a goonmeet at the next conference, you've all got two years to get involved)
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Jun 24, 2022 19:39
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Guavanaut posted:There won't be a mass return to the horrors of pre-Roe just because misoprostol is widely licensed now as an anti-ulcer drug, and there's going to be networks of pills-by-post activists along with that. i really want to believe but it feels like they'll immediately start prosecuting anyone caught with abortifacient drugs on some hosed up murder charges, texas is already pioneering this kind of thing with it's bounty laws
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Jun 24, 2022 19:40
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Rustybear posted:i really want to believe but it feels like they'll immediately start prosecuting anyone caught with abortifacient drugs on some hosed up murder charges, texas is already pioneering this kind of thing with it's bounty laws They would put those laws on paper, but in practice they would only be enforced against undesirables, the same thing thing that happens with say, Cocaine.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:41
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It's Bookchin, so it's probably going to be something like "a decentralized, united society, guided by reason, with a political ecology based on communalism, opposed to the capitalist system of production and consumption and the social harms created by it." So like mutualism but at the scale of a large municipality so it can do things like have hospitals and keep lights on. Liverpool's probably about one more Blairite-Tory political cycle away from either doing it or moving to Ireland via a series of ropes.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:41
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Guavanaut posted:It's Bookchin, so it's probably going to be something like "a decentralized, united society, guided by reason, with a political ecology based on communalism, opposed to the capitalist system of production and consumption and the social harms created by it." So like mutualism but at the scale of a large municipality so it can do things like have hospitals and keep lights on. Yeah but then we have to deal with the weight of Empire on our necks, with what, voluntary security councils? I'm going by the theme here of "arming ourselves", what would it mean to "arm ourselves" against something like the CIA? They would not let us stand unopposed. It's difficult to talk about some of this stuff without getting into conspiracy theory, but there are people who wake up early morning and get paid to do conspiracies against the left.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:47
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As an insulin needer myself I have kinda accepted that I'm not going to survive long in the apocalypse. I'm going to bloody well take as many motherfuckers as I can with me, though. 
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Jun 24, 2022 19:48
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Brendan Rodgers posted:They would put those laws on paper, but in practice they would only be enforced against undesirables, the same thing thing that happens with say, Cocaine. that...doesn't cheer me up at all...
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Jun 24, 2022 19:51
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Rustybear posted:that...doesn't cheer me up at all... I'm not describing how things should be, I'm describing how things are. I see that as a neutral action but many would call me a doomer. Don't ask me about climate change.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:53
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah but then we have to deal with the weight of Empire on our necks, with what, voluntary security councils? I'm going by the theme here of "arming ourselves", what would it mean to "arm ourselves" against something like the CIA? They would not let us stand unopposed. It's not ideal, but all the alternatives they tried have been worse.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:54
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I suspect that we may end up with the country, if not the world, that the IWW wanted. One Big Union.
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Jun 24, 2022 19:58
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Guavanaut posted:Öcalan had some success with the idea as a better option for Kurds than ML/state based ones, and they're no stranger to hostile empires and state environments. Hadn't read up on him, or Democratic Confederalism, I'll read some over the weekend. BTW I'm fully up for arming the left, it's just that instead of mosin-nagants, I want us armed with things like 5th generation fighters, advanced drones, integrated missile systems, and aircraft carriers. This is strictly for looking cool in parades, of course. Just propaganda stuff. Not for violence.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:10
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radmonger posted:Making the state ungovernable _is_ the ideology of the US right. If there is a potential road to political victory that leads through bombing health clinics and schools, it is not the left that is positioned to take it. It's the ideological means, not the ideological end. It's a useful toolkit for minoritarians who want to carve out influence away from the majority (or for corporatists seeking to impose less democratic and more oligarchic power structures), but it's less useful if you have grander ambitions for the overall control of the country (say, in order to quash nationwide insurrections), and the Republicans in those circumstances would choose to discard it just as they always do whenever military matters become relevant. Equally, it would then become a useful tool for any prospective insurrectionists against the federal government, regardless of ideology.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:23
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Umbra Dubium posted:As an insulin needer myself I have kinda accepted that I'm not going to survive long in the apocalypse. Look up Eva Saxl 
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Jun 24, 2022 20:37
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ThomasPaine posted:Look up Eva Saxl Now there's a story I've never heard before! Hmm, I bet Tories have nice fat pancreases...
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Jun 24, 2022 20:46
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah but then we have to deal with the weight of Empire on our necks, with what, voluntary security councils? I'm going by the theme here of "arming ourselves", what would it mean to "arm ourselves" against something like the CIA? They would not let us stand unopposed. It's honestly not paranoid or conspiratorial at all. Like, that's actually the case.
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Jun 24, 2022 21:51
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Darth Walrus posted:It's the ideological means, not the ideological end. It's a useful toolkit for minoritarians who want to carve out influence away from the majority (or for corporatists seeking to impose less democratic and more oligarchic power structures), but it's less useful if you have grander ambitions for the overall control of the country (say, in order to quash nationwide insurrections), and the Republicans in those circumstances would choose to discard it just as they always do whenever military matters become relevant. Equally, it would then become a useful tool for any prospective insurrectionists against the federal government, regardless of ideology. Considering the charged nature of the topic, please proceed with your thoughts on it to the US Current Events or SCOTUS threads.
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Jun 24, 2022 21:53
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sebzilla posted:I'm in Prospect and it's alright but my experience as part of a large branch is probably going to be different to yours as presumably just part of a region. If there's no current union presence in your office then you might as well start somewhere and you could certainly do worse than Prospect. Thanks, appreciate it. Will let you know about the meet 
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Jun 24, 2022 22:53
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+1 for wanting a union recommendation. Charity sector, not a tech/science role, don't think there's much in the way of unionisation in my workplace. I used to be a member of unison but left for reasons that escape me. Did the leadership do something particularly lovely?
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Jun 24, 2022 23:21
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Niric posted:+1 for wanting a union recommendation. Charity sector, not a tech/science role, don't think there's much in the way of unionisation in my workplace. GMB, Unite & Unison tend to be where charity workers go, but the IWGB also have a Charity Worker branch
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Jun 24, 2022 23:24
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sebzilla posted:(Mainly I just want a goonmeet at the next conference, you've all got two years to get involved) hello I'm a bectu rep (prospect subsidiary) and get to go to conference sometimes when I can
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Jun 24, 2022 23:30
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Niric posted:+1 for wanting a union recommendation. Charity sector, not a tech/science role, don't think there's much in the way of unionisation in my workplace. I work for a small charity with just 4 employees. There's no official union but I'm in Unite Community and have been for a few years pretty much since I returned to the UK in 2015. (I should check I'm still eligible for that now I'm an employee albeit part time). But my contract is temporary til the end of the year so I might be unemployed in Jan. I have memory unison did something lovely but I can't recall what. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 23:32
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kecske posted:hello I'm a bectu rep (prospect subsidiary) and get to go to conference sometimes when I can Hello. Were you in Bournemouth? It was my first conference, all very exciting.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:40
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I seem to remember Dave Prentis doing something melty but he's not Unison general secretary any more. The left got a (slim) majority in their last NEC elections so that's promising at least.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:40
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sebzilla posted:Hello. Were you in Bournemouth? It was my first conference, all very exciting. I wasn't unfortunately, my branch has 16 reps and they'll only nominate 3 each time to go. Hopefully next time!
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Darth Walrus posted:It's the ideological means, not the ideological end. Certain means lead to certain ends; you don’t get to pick and choose how that works. Bosses can’t strike for higher profits; you can’t fight a guerrilla war of the city centres against the exurbs. But we are probably mostly talking at cross-purposes, and this isn’t the American thread, so let’s leave it there.
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bbc are going with 'boris johnson says he will not undergo a 'psychological transformation' in wake election result. stop psychologically transforming me!!!!
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Jun 25, 2022 08:41
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I keep forgetting I'm part of the left wokerati or whatever, I'm just going to cancel Boris Johnson and rich people.
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Jun 25, 2022 09:38
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forkboy84 posted:GMB, Unite & Unison tend to be where charity workers go, but the IWGB also have a Charity Worker branch My mum was in GMB until she retired recently and they were very good with her and her issues in the workplace (that resulted in said retirement). She had been in a few others but felt GMB was the best. One thing I will say is that even if yohr workplace isn't unionised or recognises unions it can still be advantageous. I remember a colleague got USDAW involved in a dispute at Waterstones years ago and the management promptly shat their pants, a similar story at my wife's non unionised work place when the employers were trying to fit someone up for a dismissal and promptly caved in shock when the worker turned up to the meeting with a load of paperwork and union advice. Ultimately a union is only as good as it's reps, I have seen it on the railway where people have bypassed their locally elected reps in favour of better reps from another location who they knew would get them a better outcome. I am very fortunate that a good friend of mine is an excellent rep who has served the RMT in prestiguous roles so I know if I was ever in serious trouble I would go to them for advice over any allocated rep.
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forkboy84 posted:GMB, Unite & Unison tend to be where charity workers go, but the IWGB also have a Charity Worker branch I work for a charity - I joined CWU because I'm in the IT dept, but I'd be interested in joining one that's more general - we've got good bosses and conditions at the moment, but that can always change a few years down the line. We're unusual in that we're really more of a meta charity - we work for and with other charities rather than being directly involved in causes ourselves. (and yes, if you're in the charity sector, I've probably just doxxed who I work for with that description).
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Please I need treehouse for my son Wilf, he is very sick https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1540592372886773762?t=9MMPqVdoi2n2j9fZA1B8KQ&s=19
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roomtone posted:bbc are going with 'boris johnson says he will not undergo a 'psychological transformation' in wake election result. It is a bit weird to wake up to that being the top BBC headline. It sounds like he’s assuring us he can ward off the effect of Lovecraftian Great Old Ones.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Please I need treehouse for my son Wilf, he is very sick Doesn't really seem a reckless use of another persons money. When you're a kid tree houses are pretty cool.
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