June 2022 Current Events: Everything Sucks

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A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

Lemniscate Blue posted:

He won't, though.

Of course not. He's all about the unaccountable power of the court, because he believes it can be leveraged to suit his ends.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 17:47

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 02:18

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A.o.D. posted:

He can pull an Andrew Jackson and just ignore the court. SCOTUS has no organic enforcement capability.

Emulating Andrew Jackson generally should never be a course to follow.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:04

Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

I'd love to be able to ignore the news for even a day but at the rate the fascist vermin of our country are turbo ratfucking everything within reach I'm not sure there will be much of an America left the next time I pay attention to the news.

I am beyond disgusted with the cowardice from Democrats, their policies have popular support across the country, there is no loving excuse for just sitting back and doing loving nothing.

Who cares if Republicans squeal and yell in rage? That means you're doing something right, these aren't people worth considering because they're never going to vote for a Democrat anyway. gently caress 'em.

Old people and conservatives, loving useless.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:12

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Emulating Andrew Jackson generally should never be a course to follow.

The Court created the constitutional crisis.

You don�t have to ignore them on everything, but where they themselves violated the Constitution in their gutting of the Voting Rights Act and of treaties with Indian nations?

Ignoring them and defending the Constitution is the patriot thing to do.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:40

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

The whole problem with SCOTUS is that they assumed authority that wasn't assigned to them and there are no established counters to that authority. If America has a throne, it's one One First Street, not 1600 Pennsylvania Ave or on Capitol Hill.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:44

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Platystemon posted:

The Court created the constitutional crisis.

You don�t have to ignore them on everything, but where they themselves violated the Constitution in their gutting of the Voting Rights Act and of treaties with Indian nations?

Ignoring them and defending the Constitution is the patriot thing to do.

Less Andrew Jackson and More Abe Lincoln. Granted the time everyone thinks Lincoln ignored the Supreme Court wasn�t actually the case, Taney was acting as a circuit judge iirc.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:49

Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

I would vote for a Democrat that questioned the legitimacy of the Supreme Court and rubbed their noses in the poo poo they've been leaving for everyone else.

I couldn't care less about their precious decorum, it doesn't work and it's moronic to assume it might work in the future.

GOP governor's love to weigh in and make noise on national issues, Democratic governor's seem to prefer keeping quiet.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:49

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Yeah but there's a video of Trump throwing a fit that corroborates what the Secret Service guy said about him being a big baby

It's on the record, it's going to be for all of history, future Americans will know what a big baby he was

# ? Jun 30, 2022 18:50

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling
1-800-GAMBLER; Ultra Carp

Platystemon posted:

The Court created the constitutional crisis.

You don�t have to ignore them on everything, but where they themselves violated the Constitution in their gutting of the Voting Rights Act and of treaties with Indian nations?

Ignoring them and defending the Constitution is the patriot thing to do.

Yeah that's a fine sentiment and all on the surface, but you're ignoring a very important question: how.

Let's take the VRA, since you mentioned it. The Supreme Court gutted the VRA, removing preclearance requirements for states performing redistricting. So if we're ignoring the Supreme Court, this means the executive branch is doing... what, exactly? You can't just sue the states for creating racist as gently caress maps , because the courts will come back and say "well they're allowed to do that." So what's the alternative then? Send in federal police or troops to occupy state houses? Jail Republican leaders without trial until they agree to not make racist maps? Bar leaders elected from bad maps from entering Congress?

AoD, you've talked about following Andrew Jackson's example, but are you aware of what actually occurred? Because in Worchester v. Georgia, the case where Jackson is alleged to have said "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it," (Something that many historians doubt he actually said), the Supreme Court was ruling on a case where the State of Georgia was attempting to create a license system for whites living on Cherokee land, and the question at hand was whether the State had the authority to administer land that belonged to a sovereign tribe. In that case, the Supreme Court ruled against the state, but in opposing the decision Jackson didn't have to do anything�he just let the state continue to jail the individual who started the case.

What you're talking about by saying "Well the executive should just ignore the court!" isn't something simple or easy�it would be, in effect, trying to use the federal government to strongarm the states, most likely by force, to adhere to policies dictated by the sole power of the executive (Congress, presumably, being reluctant to go along with this plan).

So really, what you've actually created is the single most plausible scenario for the United States to enter into a second civil war under an extremely powerful, authoritarian dictatorship.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:14

Madurai: Jun 26, 2012

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Emulating Andrew Jackson generally should never be a course to follow.

Except maybe threatening to hang the first secessionist you see from the nearest tree.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:36

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

In not-awful news, and I still have a hard time believing we managed this, but Jacinda managed to sign a free trade agreement with the entire EU.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/470119/new-zealand-and-european-union-secure-historic-free-trade-deal

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:38

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

In not-awful news, and I still have a hard time believing we managed this, but Jacinda managed to sign a free trade agreement with the entire EU.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/470119/new-zealand-and-european-union-secure-historic-free-trade-deal

The only important thing is to get more episodes of Wellington paranormal out of this?

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:41

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

In not-awful news, and I still have a hard time believing we managed this, but Jacinda managed to sign a free trade agreement with the entire EU.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/470119/new-zealand-and-european-union-secure-historic-free-trade-deal

Oh sweet we�ll finally be able to cheaply import�

Sheeps?

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:43

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

maffew buildings posted:

Yeah but there's a video of Trump throwing a fit that corroborates what the Secret Service guy said about him being a big baby

It's on the record, it's going to be for all of history, future Americans will know what a big baby he was

lol future americans

# ? Jun 30, 2022 19:57

ASAPI: Apr 20, 2007; I invented the line.

Marshal Prolapse posted:

The only important thing is to get more episodes of Wellington paranormal out of this?

Wellington paranormal is an awesome show.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 20:18

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ASAPI posted:

Wellington paranormal is an awesome show.

It really is, just perfect casting, and pretty cool effects work for a tv show, and the writing is just :kiss:

My daughter loves to watch it with us it�s kind of a family activity for the three of us.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 20:25

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

The Austin cyclist love triangle murderer got bagged in Costa Rica after six weeks on the run.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1542544380506120193?t=oSOontbMEl3pMP28PSEysg&s=19

# ? Jun 30, 2022 20:34

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Yeah that's a fine sentiment and all on the surface, but you're ignoring a very important question: how.

Let's take the VRA, since you mentioned it. The Supreme Court gutted the VRA, removing preclearance requirements for states performing redistricting. So if we're ignoring the Supreme Court, this means the executive branch is doing... what, exactly? You can't just sue the states for creating racist as gently caress maps , because the courts will come back and say "well they're allowed to do that." So what's the alternative then? Send in federal police or troops to occupy state houses? Jail Republican leaders without trial until they agree to not make racist maps? Bar leaders elected from bad maps from entering Congress?

AoD, you've talked about following Andrew Jackson's example, but are you aware of what actually occurred? Because in Worchester v. Georgia, the case where Jackson is alleged to have said "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it," (Something that many historians doubt he actually said), the Supreme Court was ruling on a case where the State of Georgia was attempting to create a license system for whites living on Cherokee land, and the question at hand was whether the State had the authority to administer land that belonged to a sovereign tribe. In that case, the Supreme Court ruled against the state, but in opposing the decision Jackson didn't have to do anything—he just let the state continue to jail the individual who started the case.

What you're talking about by saying "Well the executive should just ignore the court!" isn't something simple or easy—it would be, in effect, trying to use the federal government to strongarm the states, most likely by force, to adhere to policies dictated by the sole power of the executive (Congress, presumably, being reluctant to go along with this plan).

So really, what you've actually created is the single most plausible scenario for the United States to enter into a second civil war under an extremely powerful, authoritarian dictatorship.

I'm not seriously advocating ignoring the Supreme Court. I was just responding to a question about what the president can do. Other than making a bunch of useless noise about what should be done, the options of the executive as the extremely limited and are mostly outside of accepted norms.

Here's what we should do: tear it all down and start over. The fascists have discovered the levers by which the American experiment can be destroyed. We need new checks and new balances or they'll eventually use the arsenal of freedom to set the whole world on fire, because to be a fascist is to be perpetually at war with everyone.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 21:07

Cugel the Clever: Apr 5, 2009; I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

A.o.D. posted:

Here's what we should do: tear it all down and start over. The fascists have discovered the levers by which the American experiment can be destroyed. We need new checks and new balances or they'll eventually use the arsenal of freedom to set the whole world on fire, because to be a fascist is to be perpetually at war with everyone.

Sounds like something that would itself require a violent and bloody civil war that the baddies are better armed and organized to win, cowardly though they are, particularly as they're fine dividing and conquering while everyone to their left seems more eager to turn on each other than temporarily unite against a common enemy.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 21:57

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

I'm sure a constitutional convention will go swimmingly

# ? Jun 30, 2022 22:13

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

I'm sure staying the course will have a better result.

For the purposes of this discussion, yelling at your politicians to DO SOMETHING is very much business as usual.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 22:19

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

Guys the white supremacists have been working this for decades.

The loving war on drugs and the border war was founded and maintained on stomping out minority leadership and has been upheld by multiple administrations.

The FBI literally assassinated Fred Hampton in his home. The feds and cops got together and decided no racism happened in 2020 with strange fruit in the trees of California for the love of God. They flew spy planes over protests and declared being anti-fascist was a loving terrorist act.

Wake up!
It's party time!

# ? Jun 30, 2022 22:26

BUG JUG: Feb 17, 2005

Are we back in the cool zone?

# ? Jun 30, 2022 23:14

Radical 90s Wizard: Aug 5, 2008; ~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

FrozenVent posted:

Oh sweet we’ll finally be able to cheaply import…

Sheeps?

Lots of good meat & dairy that are too expensive for us to buy in nz :smith:

# ? Jun 30, 2022 23:17

Cugel the Clever: Apr 5, 2009; I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

A.o.D. posted:

I'm sure staying the course will have a better result.

For the purposes of this discussion, yelling at your politicians to DO SOMETHING is very much business as usual.

It's a good thing we're not somehow stuck with a false dichotomy of REVOLUTION NOW and STAY THE COURSE. There's a lot that can be done right now that would help better our chances of either righting the ship or burning it down and rebuilding, but folks seem to be frothing at the mouth to prematurely be seen as the side giving up on America first.

# ? Jun 30, 2022 23:47

LongDarkNight: Oct 25, 2010; It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.; Oven Wrangler

BUG JUG posted:

Are we back in the cool zone?

Ice cold. Fascist coup in 2024, a Proud Boy executes on your front lawn 2026.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 00:37

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

BUG JUG posted:

Are we back in the cool zone?

We never left.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 00:54

SquirrelyPSU: May 27, 2003

USC and UCLA have both officially announced that they are joining the Big 10.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 00:54

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

SquirrelyPSU posted:

USC and UCLA have both officially announced that they are joining the Big 10.

The Big Ten - Now with 16 members from coast-to-coast

# ? Jul 1, 2022 00:58

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

BIG 10+

# ? Jul 1, 2022 00:59

Midjack: Dec 24, 2007

They're expressing it in hexadecimal now.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 01:00

SquirrelyPSU: May 27, 2003

Midjack posted:

They're expressing it in hexadecimal now.

That's going to be a weird logo.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 01:04

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

BIG $10

# ? Jul 1, 2022 01:06

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

BUG JUG posted:

Are we back in the cool zone?

In my opinion we won't re-enter the cool zone unless people left of the Klan start doing things en masse to try to counter the rising tide of fascism.

Note: DNC fundraising does not count as "doing things", and I'm also not sure how much the DNC counts as "left of the Klan" these days.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 01:13

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

We will not enter a cool zone, but rather smaller pockets, known as spheres of chill. And you'll never know where they come from and if they involve guns or not!

https://twitter.com/nyeem0/status/1541778075054129155

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1542631455188189186

# ? Jul 1, 2022 02:16

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1542631455188189186

Did Cole take another cruise?

# ? Jul 1, 2022 02:20

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

60 person? HOW?

# ? Jul 1, 2022 02:24

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

60 person? HOW?

One at a time, and don't skimp on the lube.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 02:33

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

Well when you're drunk and drinking as you're throwing a punch and then the ship rocks a little so you're seeing goes wide and hits someone else, or someone starts chucking shoes and misses...

# ? Jul 1, 2022 02:45

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 02:18

Hannibal Rex: Feb 13, 2010

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

60 person? HOW?

You've never been in a hexacontacule relationship? How prude.

# ? Jul 1, 2022 03:03

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