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Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

When did baseball teams start doing the very reasonable thing of moving to where the ball was most likely to be hit instead of just standing on their designated points?

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LionYeti
Oct 11, 2008




Dejan Bimble posted:

When did baseball teams start doing the very reasonable thing of moving to where the ball was most likely to be hit instead of just standing on their designated points?

The statcast era from about 2015 on really accelerated it as there was a lot of concrete data as to where each hitter is likely to hit but there’s been shifts for decades.

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009






I tried googling this but couldn't get the answer I wanted: in baseball, is it mandatory to advance to first on a walk? Like if you were some absolute contact god could you tell the umpire 'thanks but no, I'm going to stand here fouling off everything til I see something I like'. Sure I saw a video of a guy get hit by a pitch and refusing to advance but can't find it now

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008


the sex ghost posted:

I tried googling this but couldn't get the answer I wanted: in baseball, is it mandatory to advance to first on a walk? Like if you were some absolute contact god could you tell the umpire 'thanks but no, I'm going to stand here fouling off everything til I see something I like'. Sure I saw a video of a guy get hit by a pitch and refusing to advance but can't find it now

made me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr7vPDNG3q0

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000



this too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgr7fQFhZLI

lol Albert Belle looks so mean. I would not want to be the person to tell him he has to take a base.

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004




imagining a four hour standoff where a batter refuses to take his base and la russa keeps intentionally walking him

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

What makes someone a good race car driver? I know that's a question an 8 year old would ask but what's it all about

DJ_Mindboggler
Nov 21, 2013


Dejan Bimble posted:

What makes someone a good race car driver? I know that's a question an 8 year old would ask but what's it all about

I also want to know this, knowing nothing of car sports

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000



Niki Lauda said it was having a good rear end. Basically the ability to feel the limits of the car's traction and manage it well. Bad drivers will wear out their tires quickly, or even exceed the limits of their tires and spin out/crash. Good ones will retain grip while keeping a fast pace.

Instincts and the ability to diagnose problems quickly are also extremely important.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007



Why do you see NBA teams sometimes instruct other teams to draft a guy and then immediately trade for them (ala Kobe being drafted by the Hornets)? Is it just to get around the restriction on trading back to pick 1st round picks? If so, why is that permitted because it seems like effectively skirting the rule.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends


Plaster Town Cop

ThinkTank posted:

Why do you see NBA teams sometimes instruct other teams to draft a guy and then immediately trade for them (ala Kobe being drafted by the Hornets)? Is it just to get around the restriction on trading back to pick 1st round picks? If so, why is that permitted because it seems like effectively skirting the rule.

You've got it. Those letter but not spirit of the law moves are allowed because the rules are made to protect owners/franchises from themselves. But if they're dead set on it the league isn't going to force them to play it safe.

LionYeti
Oct 11, 2008




Dejan Bimble posted:

You've got it. Those letter but not spirit of the law moves are allowed because the rules are made to protect owners/franchises from themselves. But if they're dead set on it the league isn't going to force them to play it safe.

Also it limits the time frame in which those sorts of trades can happen so like big blockbuster deals where more then one pick gets traded aren't likely to happen then

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

ThinkTank posted:

Why do you see NBA teams sometimes instruct other teams to draft a guy and then immediately trade for them (ala Kobe being drafted by the Hornets)? Is it just to get around the restriction on trading back to pick 1st round picks? If so, why is that permitted because it seems like effectively skirting the rule.

So the "why" is a bit more difficult to explain than anything other than to say the owners are often pretty lax at demanding enforcement of the spirit of the rules when it is rules that apply to them. But it is ultimately meeting the letter of the law, as these trades actually take place in the following season.

The timeline of the Kobe trade:

June 26th 1996: Hornets draft Kobe an announce it is part of a trade.
June 30th 1996: NBA Season 1995-1996 ends
July 1st 1996: NBA Season 1996-1997 begins
July 1st 1996- July 7th 1996: (Various contract and trade moratoriums in place)
July 11th 1996: Trade sending Kobe to the Lakers officially completes

Grifter
Jul 24, 2003

I do this technique called a suplex. You probably haven't heard of it, it's pretty obscure.

Football; I understand that within each team there are offensive, defensive and special teams units. There must be some subs in there for all those teams too. How many players does an NFL team take to a game?

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009



Grifter posted:

Football; I understand that within each team there are offensive, defensive and special teams units. There must be some subs in there for all those teams too. How many players does an NFL team take to a game?
53 on the roster, 46 dressed for any particular game iirc

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.





Wedge Regret

I think they've adjusted those numbers slightly the last few years due to COVID, so it's 55 total and 48 active players on game day.

Also, for the three main special teams spots (Kicker, punter, and long snapper), the teams won't have dedicated backups active on game day, if they have any at all. If one of those spots goes down, there's usually some emergency backup on the roster. For a recent example, the Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker got hurt on opening day, so rookie safety Justin Reid filled in as the kicker for the rest of the game.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

So what I think happens, is that before college guys who are great athletes just multi-task every position that an adult can get away with playing them at. Is that true"? Like my assumption when the Arizona QB punts every other game he didn't just start doing that when he got into camp as a freshman. And it's the same for emergency skill position players in the pros.

JohnCompany
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb



Rick posted:

So what I think happens, is that before college guys who are great athletes just multi-task every position that an adult can get away with playing them at. Is that true"? Like my assumption when the Arizona QB punts every other game he didn't just start doing that when he got into camp as a freshman. And it's the same for emergency skill position players in the pros.

It's more a function of at high school level, particularly outside of the few states where high school football is a huge deal, a certain high school may not actually have a player who's been a punter or a kicker already. So they ask like "hey, anyone played soccer," and let players who already have positions give it a go because, well, you need someone to kick to play. And some of these players, who are already good at their position, happen to also be good enough at kicking.

Grifter
Jul 24, 2003

I do this technique called a suplex. You probably haven't heard of it, it's pretty obscure.

fartknocker posted:

Also, for the three main special teams spots (Kicker, punter, and long snapper), the teams won't have dedicated backups active on game day, if they have any at all. If one of those spots goes down, there's usually some emergency backup on the roster. For a recent example, the Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker got hurt on opening day, so rookie safety Justin Reid filled in as the kicker for the rest of the game.
Thanks for expanding on my question and hitting this point too. I was wondering what the football equivalent of the baseball "left fielder pitching because it's 12-2 and the pitchers got tired" was.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause


chad johnson (former bengals wr) is a big soccer player and he kicked for them in a pre-season game once. pretty sure he made a like 35ish yard fg

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011



Strangely enough, kicking was not really a specialty at any level of American football until the late 1960s/early 1970s.

Some teams had guys who were very good kickers, but they most of them played other positions first. Ray Guy, the first noted punting specialist, played quarterback in high school and defense in college. Even in the pros, Guy was an emergency quarterback.

Garo Yepremian was one of the first placekickers to solely come along as a placekicker. He was the one of the first, too, of the soccer-style kickers. If you watch really old NFL games, the style of placekicking was much different: straight on. Yepremian brought over the Euro-style football kick. You see that pretty much everywhere now. For a time, the NFL was actually recruiting Europe to find these players, which landed Toni Fritsch in the NFL without even having seen a game.

Morten Andersen was for a time considered the NFL most reliable placekicker in history, in part because he was an ageless wonder, also in part because he was meticulous in tracking his kicks. Andersen came to America as an exchange student, began kicking in high school and parlayed that into a deal with Michigan State.

In the South, many high schools look for Hispanic players to be their kickers because of the perceived soccer bacckground, though there has been a big increase in the past 20 years overall in Hispanic players at many positions.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"


Teemu Pokemon posted:

chad johnson (former bengals wr) is a big soccer player and he kicked for them in a pre-season game once. pretty sure he made a like 35ish yard fg

Vince Wilfork kicking field goals in practice is a Hard Knocks all time great moment

CellBlock
Oct 6, 2005

It just don't stop.





nawilo_420 posted:

If i fully commit my life to curling, in how many years will i be able to go to the olympics? Same but for archery.

I'll say 10-15 years. I've been playing for about 10 years and have definitely not fully committed my life to it, but am on a fairly strong team. The people I know that are actually working towards that kind of goal (national championships/world championships/olympics) have been at it about that long, maybe a little longer. (They're pretty young, though.)

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.





Wedge Regret

Teemu Pokemon posted:

chad johnson (former bengals wr) is a big soccer player and he kicked for them in a pre-season game once. pretty sure he made a like 35ish yard fg

Here's a video on YouTube of non-kickers kicking. WR Wes Welker and DT Ndamukong Suh both had to make emergency kicks like a week apart in 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz73_aurBpQ

RC and Moon Pie posted:

Strangely enough, kicking was not really a specialty at any level of American football until the late 1960s/early 1970s.

Some teams had guys who were very good kickers, but they most of them played other positions first. Ray Guy, the first noted punting specialist, played quarterback in high school and defense in college. Even in the pros, Guy was an emergency quarterback.

Garo Yepremian was one of the first placekickers to solely come along as a placekicker. He was the one of the first, too, of the soccer-style kickers. If you watch really old NFL games, the style of placekicking was much different: straight on. Yepremian brought over the Euro-style football kick. You see that pretty much everywhere now. For a time, the NFL was actually recruiting Europe to find these players, which landed Toni Fritsch in the NFL without even having seen a game.

Morten Andersen was for a time considered the NFL most reliable placekicker in history, in part because he was an ageless wonder, also in part because he was meticulous in tracking his kicks. Andersen came to America as an exchange student, began kicking in high school and parlayed that into a deal with Michigan State.

In the South, many high schools look for Hispanic players to be their kickers because of the perceived soccer bacckground, though there has been a big increase in the past 20 years overall in Hispanic players at many positions.

Pete Gogolak was the first soccer style kicker in pro-football, starting off with the AFL's Buffalo Bills a few years before Yepremian. Jan Stenerud, the only pure kicker in the Hall of Fame other than Morten Andersen, was another early soccer style kicker and hung around forever. The straight on kickers faded away pretty quickly in the 70s, although Mark Moseley lasted until 1986.

Incidentally, Gogolak would also play a major role in the AFL-NFL merger, since the NFL's New York Giants signing him broke an unwritten rule about signing free agents from the other league and really kicked off the war between the two.

To go back to a previous subject regarding how these players are athletes, a fun thing to do is to look up high school highlights of guys who make it to the NFL. It's usually a great example of just how talented or athletic these guys are even at a young age, and even if they don't always seem that way once they get to the NFL.

For example, one I know that got brought up a lot (And I think some Goon played against him in high school) is Austin Collie. He ended up as a decent slot receiver with the Colts for a few years during Peyton Manning's last years there before being concussed to hell and back. Keep this on mute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4mw23jzwz4

Or, for comedy, Derrick Henry where he was already head and shoulders taller than everyone else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2yfWsFk3c

LobsterMobster posted:

Vince Wilfork kicking field goals in practice is a Hard Knocks all time great moment

Big Vince also had an arm:

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Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

Quality content y’all thank you.

That does remind me in high school they got a guy who was in all my classes who was also the best player on soccer team to kick (punt and place) and he killed it. Probably legitimately won two games with his legs. But then soccer season started and the football coach demanded he choose and well our soccer team was much better so that was an easy choice for him. Dude told me there wasn’t even a scheduling conflict with practices much less games but the coach was on a power trip.

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