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Vote Proposal: I propose we just use ESPN standard scoring for defenses, or some other system that actually consistently rewards defenses who make opponents score fewer points and gain fewer yards.
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May 31, 2023 23:49
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pmchem posted:Vote Proposal: I propose we just use ESPN standard scoring for defenses, or some other system that actually consistently rewards defenses who make opponents score fewer points and gain fewer yards. Just to clarify, you'd want to change to the following with your proposal? This would not affect kick or punt return yards. TEAM DEFENSE / SPECIAL TEAMS (D/ST) Standard scoring: · Kickoff Return TD = 6pts · Punt Return TD = 6pts · Interception Return TD = 6pts · Fumble Return TD = 6pts · Blocked Punt or FG return for TD = 6pts · Each Interception = 2pts · Each Fumble Recovered = 2pts · Blocked Punt, PAT or FG = 2pts · Each Safety = 2pts · Each Sack = 1pts · 0 points allowed = 5pts · 1-6 points allowed = 4pts · 7-13 points allowed = 3pts · 14-17 points allowed = 1pts · 18-27 points allowed = 0pts · 28-34 points allowed = -1pts · 35-45 points allowed = -3pts · 46+ points allowed = -5pts Silly Burrito fucked around with this message at 23:57 on May 31, 2023 |
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May 31, 2023 23:55
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yeah that'd be fine. I have a whole other setup in another espn league but their standard scoring is 'ok'. in this league I think the passes defensed points and return yards can lead to weird outcomes, like a team getting 50 hung on them in a blowout loss but they got a lot of passes defensed and kickoff return yards so hey it ends up they're the top scoring d/st of the week. because those bonuses don't get offset by some kind of negative points for yards or points scored so whatever it takes to resolve that
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Jun 1, 2023 00:11
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Vote Proposal: I propose we.... kill the punter position Vote Proposal: I propose we.... kill DST and add one IDP position in its place. ESPN standard IDP scoring.
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Jun 1, 2023 00:14
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pmchem posted:yeah that'd be fine. I have a whole other setup in another espn league but their standard scoring is 'ok'. IIRC, the kick and return yards are credited to the player, not the DST in ESPN, at least what I remember from a while back (I could be wrong though). But changing the scoring to standard in our system would basically remove the passes defensed like you mention and revert the "points allowed" points to the standard as we have most of the other defaults already (sacks, INTs, etc). Edit: Looking at it again, I see where I get confused. If we did revert to ESPN standard DST scoring, we'd remove the punter/kicker yards from the team defense but KEEP it on the Miscellaneous part. That allows RBs/WRs that return kickoffs/punt returns to have a bit more value (although with the new kickoff rules, that may diminish anyway).  jabro posted:Vote Proposal: I propose we.... kill the punter position Added both of yours, but there is no standard ESPN IDP scoring. If you want to propose a scheme, that's fine, or we can do like we did for punters and see if it passes and if it does, then we define it. Silly Burrito fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 00:52
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Silly Burrito posted:My thought is that we have a rule that says if a game is unexpectedly cancelled and is NOT replayed, the final fantasy scores stand as is. It obviously sucks for those who have players in those games, but barring some sort of substitution rule (for example, your highest bench player that qualifies for the position gets the points), it's probably the fairest way to go. But obviously, I'd love to hear what you all think. Adding this as a proposal as well since this hit us last year: If a game is unexpectedly cancelled and is NOT replayed, the final fantasy scores stand as is.
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Jun 1, 2023 01:08
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Silly Burrito posted:IIRC, the kick and return yards are credited to the player, not the DST in ESPN, at least what I remember from a while back (I could be wrong though). But changing the scoring to standard in our system would basically remove the passes defensed like you mention and revert the "points allowed" points to the standard as we have most of the other defaults already (sacks, INTs, etc).  This looks fine to me but can get a consensus if it passes.
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Jun 1, 2023 01:11
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jabro posted:
Thanks. We'd have to modify it slightly to fit the ESPN IDP scoring categories if it passes but we can address that as necessary. 
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Jun 1, 2023 01:15
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Silly Burrito posted:IIRC, the kick and return yards are credited to the player, not the DST in ESPN, at least what I remember from a while back (I could be wrong though). But changing the scoring to standard in our system would basically remove the passes defensed like you mention and revert the "points allowed" points to the standard as we have most of the other defaults already (sacks, INTs, etc). yeah I think it's not working like you thought it was working. return yards in 2022 absolutely were credited to the D/ST. see this scoring breakdown for the finals: https://fantasy.espn.com/football/boxscore?leagueId=524484&matchupPeriodId=17&scoringPeriodId=17&seasonId=2022&teamId=6&view=scoringperiod the giants (among other D/ST's) very explicitly got KR10 points credited if you want it for players but not team D/ST's it needs to only be in misc, not the team d/st category settings
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Jun 1, 2023 01:19
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pmchem posted:yeah I think it's not working like you thought it was working. return yards in 2022 absolutely were credited to the D/ST. see this scoring breakdown for the finals: Fair enough. If we do revert, that's how it will be.
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Jun 1, 2023 01:21
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I'm in for next season and I'm flipping my vote from pro-punter to anti-punter entirely because of residual bitterness from that win I lost because there was a 4.5 point correction on like Tuesday
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Jun 2, 2023 02:10
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Power of Pecota posted:I'm in for next season and I'm flipping my vote from pro-punter to anti-punter entirely because of residual bitterness from that win I lost because there was a 4.5 point correction on like Tuesday Live by the punt, die by the punt.
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Jun 2, 2023 16:22
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If we are reverting the defensive scoring scheme: Vote proposal: I propose that we... Eliminate negative points in the D/ST position. Far too often the D/ST position loses points because the offense on their team is so bad that the defense is constantly on the field. Your fantasy team full of stars should not have to deal with the overall weakness of a team made up of not-all stars. Also the possibility of a negative outcome keeps managers from rostering D/STs in late games. Rostering nobody a) should never be the right answer and b) feels unsportsmanlike
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Jun 5, 2023 07:21
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I like the current D/ST settings because they make the position relevant instead dof an afterthought. If we ditch them I'd rather just go without D/ST. Bare minimum if people feel they need adjusting, there is still some room to make them more useful than tight ends #6-20, which I feel like I never hear a peep about.
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Jun 5, 2023 14:10
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I'd rather just eliminate DST entirely because its tedious, high variance, and boring-yet-impactful. Just like kickers.
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Jun 5, 2023 15:14
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I'm going to add darkwolf's proposal as a contingent on pmchem's proposal (#4) passing. Quiet Feet or AAAAA! Real Muenster, if you want to make a counter proposal official, please do so. Going to try to keep it all straight as best as I can.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:55
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Vote Proposal: I propose we.... kill DST (outright, no adding IDP in its place)
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Jun 5, 2023 20:56
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Vote Proposal: I propose we.... kill DST (outright, no adding IDP in its place) Thanks, added. If #5 and #8 both pass, we'll effectively have an IDP position, so unless there's a better way to word it, vote accordingly. 5. Remove DST and add one IDP position in its place. (yes/no) 8. Remove DST, add nothing (yes/no)
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Jun 5, 2023 21:00
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darkwolf220 posted:If we are reverting the defensive scoring scheme: I'm fine with this in a 20-team league, will support. Every position is high variance compared to QBs in a 20-team league so I think we should keep DST's, and TEs, and punters.
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Jun 5, 2023 22:33
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Quiet Feet posted:I like the current D/ST settings because they make the position relevant instead dof an afterthought. If we ditch them I'd rather just go without D/ST. I agree with this entirely. Keep the DST as is or completely cut it.
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Jun 6, 2023 01:44
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pmchem posted:I'm fine with this in a 20-team league, will support. They already currently can't go negative. That's the majority of their appeal.
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Jun 6, 2023 01:44
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EconDad posted:They already currently can't go negative. That's the majority of their appeal. current scoring would be ok if return yardage points was scrapped (an admitted mistake!) and passes defended was cut way way down
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Jun 6, 2023 03:06
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pmchem posted:current scoring would be ok if return yardage points was scrapped (an admitted mistake!) and passes defended was cut way way down I wouldn't mind those changes.
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Jun 6, 2023 03:10
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I'm pro-negative D/ST points
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Jun 6, 2023 06:58
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Here is my post from before last season:Pain of Mind posted:The thing I don't like about the defensive scoring at the moment is that they are too consistently high scoring. It would be one thing if only good defenses were putting up points equal to a RB1/WR1, but even garbage defenses are putting up more points than most RBs and WRs that people are starting. I tediously went through last years points by team (since for whatever reason the player list would only show players not on a roster) and came away with this:
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Jun 7, 2023 22:46
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The way the DST goes now... its this very important part of your team. You can sort of (I think) plan to pick up a specific "type" of DST and it helps you thrive. It's all sort of a matter of perspective and whether you want DST to "matter" or "not". If you lean in to what the DST currently is, it can actually help you a lot, I've found. Maybe I've just been lucky for the first three years I've played, but it seems like there are typecast DST's that you want here -- and it's not the same sort of "rules" to who is who... as is true in typical leagues.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:30
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New thread up soon, please vote when you return. Thanks! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4034960 Silly Burrito fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 22, 2023 14:25
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