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muscles like this! posted:(comic spoilers) Looking forward to him coming back as Corinthian 2.0. Although I wonder if they'll bring him back earlier. The Corinthian does appear in flashbacks once or twice, and they're spaced out enough to give Holbrook an episode every season.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:He also wanted a group of teenage girls at a slumber party to summon Dream rather than Burgess Lucifer: Welcome to Hell, Dream!  Dream: Hell? I spent 100 years in a teenage girls slumber party. They constantly begged me to make Reggie from the football team dream about taking them to prom. When I didn't answer them they called me mean names  Lucifer: Oh, so THAT is what can kill hope!
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"I am... I... am... HOPE" kind of had the same energy as that scene in Transmetropolitan where Spider writing his first new article, a complex analysis of police violence, is fictionalized and becomes "Spider, what are you doing with that laptop?" "I'm telling them that it's... WRONG!"
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My Lovely Horse posted:"I am... I... am... HOPE" kind of had the same energy as that scene in Transmetropolitan where Spider writing his first new article, a complex analysis of police violence, is fictionalized and becomes Aaand now you've got me thinking about a Transmet Netflix show. Now that would be hard to pull off without the lead character being completely insufferable to watch.
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Well, the core tenet of Transmet doesn't really hold water anymore, is the main issue I see. "people will punish politician's misdeeds when they learn the truth about them from journalists" lol what a quaint 90s notion, meanwhile y'all are straight up voting for the real world Bob Heller as the actual president Though you know what would work if you decided to make Transmet into a show and write it from a 2020s point of view, make it a sequel with Yelena as the protagonist. Can't really see Netflix or any company taking that kind of pointed political stance though.
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I mean I'm not gonna argue that stories absolutely need to be ennobled with a live action adaptation to be valid, in the Sandman thread of all places, but it would be a shame if we just memory holed Transmet and Planetary, Wildstorm, Injection...
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My Lovely Horse posted:I mean I'm not gonna argue that stories absolutely need to be ennobled with a live action adaptation to be valid, in the Sandman thread of all places, but it would be a shame if we just memory holed Transmet and Planetary, Wildstorm, Injection... Planetary was poo poo and Wildstorm was hugely overrated. Transmet had an interesting core but was centred on the delusion that a journalist could change the mass consciousness by telling the truth. We know from reality that not only do journalists never change anyone's mind in that way, most of them are in service to the status quo and wouldn't even try. So yeah, I'm entirely happy with memory holing Warren Ellis. He's an rear end in a top hat.
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spacing in vienna posted:I'm up to episode 6 and I'm thoroughly in love with almost everything. My one complaint is the back half of The Sound of Her Wings. Death's part was exquisite, but I just don't care about Hob Gadling and his stupid arc. I didn't in the books and I certainly didn't for a full half hour of bad costumes and ugly wigs. I actually really like how Hob was a different take on immorality. Well, he's not untreaded ground exactly, but so often in fiction immorality is played up as this godawful thing. A curse where ennui takes you and seeing all your loved ones die while you don't is just the worst curse ever. Whereas with Hob, nah man life is great! There's so much cool poo poo to see and do, and even with an unending lifespan you can't do it all.
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Hipster Occultist posted:I actually really like how Hob was a different take on immorality. Well, he's not untreaded ground exactly, but so often in fiction immorality is played up as this godawful thing. A curse where ennui takes you and seeing all your loved ones die while you don't is just the worst curse ever. Whereas with Hob, nah man life is great! There's so much cool poo poo to see and do, and even with an unending lifespan you can't do it all. I had forgotten how loving jazzed Hob is about the technological marvels of 1489  In 1989 there was not a lot of pop cultural awareness of how much change actually took place during the middle ages, so it's another little touch of Sandman being ahead of its time.
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Even after a miserable 80 years where he lost everything, he still wanted to keep going, believing better days and wonders were left to come. I respect his unstoppable PMA.
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Jedit posted:Planetary was poo poo Warren Ellis is still a crap person though.
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Bug Squash posted:Planetary was fantastic, and while the core message of Transmet has proven wildly optimistic there are perfectly excellent vignettes and the post-everything world is still great. Transmet also heavily relies on the idea that a Hunter S Thompson type is a hero worth cheering for, which is a subject that has not really been re-examined post-MeToo (and would almost certainly not turn out well for the Thompson fans).
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LanceHunter posted:Transmet also heavily relies on the idea that a Hunter S Thompson type is a hero worth cheering for, which is a subject that has not really been re-examined post-MeToo (and would almost certainly not turn out well for the Thompson fans). It's both possible, and even necessary, to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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LanceHunter posted:Transmet also heavily relies on the idea that a Hunter S Thompson type is a hero worth cheering for, which is a subject that has not really been re-examined post-MeToo (and would almost certainly not turn out well for the Thompson fans). The important thing in Transmetropolitan is also that Spider Jerusalem is not just a journalist, he's a celebrity journalist. As such, the story might still work to an extent. However there is the one really distasteful bit about... well, I'll just quote Wikipedia. Indira Ataturk, a former assistant of Spider's whose life and reputation were ruined while working for him. During the investigation of a strip bar which was reputed to be using technology to transform the patrons into sex-crazed maniacs, Indira fell under its effects and accidentally became a famous amateur porn actress when someone captured video footage of her engaged in orgiastic group sex. She later, whilst working as assistant to his boss Mitchell Royce, attempted to get revenge on Spider by tipping off assassins and cutting off his insurance, utilities, and other privileges while he was being hunted down. If I recall correctly (and I may be wrong, it's been a while), Spider was well aware of the risk and the whole thing is played for laughs.
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It's both impressive and sad that a lot of the stuff in the Sandman show feels just as progressive now as it did when I first read the comic twenty years ago, or moreso.
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"No idea, some girl, she went nuts, never saw her again." I wouldn't say played for laughs, but it's also not treated with any sort of gravitas or lingered on. You could say it's a "for me it was Tuesday" thing and Spider doesn't really come across as the shining hero of the bit. He does at various points throughout the series investigate and expose displacement/gentrification, child prostitution, human trafficking and the general exploitation of the common man by a power-hungry political class, that's not entirely out of date for the 2020s, entirely unfounded 90s optimism notwithstanding.
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Hipster Occultist posted:I actually really like how Hob was a different take on immorality. Well, he's not untreaded ground exactly, but so often in fiction immorality is played up as this godawful thing. A curse where ennui takes you and seeing all your loved ones die while you don't is just the worst curse ever. Whereas with Hob, nah man life is great! There's so much cool poo poo to see and do, and even with an unending lifespan you can't do it all. Hob Gadling's view on immortality varies wildly through the comic. When we get to the Kindly Ones arc he more or less thinks of his immortality as a curse precisely because he has lost so many loved ones. Then in the Wake he has met a new girl and life is good again.
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the holy poopacy posted:I had forgotten how loving jazzed Hob is about the technological marvels of 1489 I thought it was wild how gradually the world changed and then going from 1889 to 1989 was basically arriving on a new planet. Saddest moment of the show was Hob learning his local was closing down.
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Necrothatcher posted:I thought it was wild how gradually the world changed and then going from 1889 to 1989 was basically arriving on a new planet. Funniest moment was "oh, we have a menu now."
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Necrothatcher posted:I thought it was wild how gradually the world changed and then going from 1889 to 1989 was basically arriving on a new planet. Yeah, silly as it sounds, it got to me a bit. I'd just been visiting some old haunts at the weekend and with so many of them being gone now or repurposed, it certainly struck a chord with me. Wandering around, you still see some pubs with signs saying established 1680something here and there but more often said sign in the brickwork is literally all that remains.
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Sentinel Red posted:Yeah, silly as it sounds, it got to me a bit. I'd just been visiting some old haunts at the weekend and with so many of them being gone now or repurposed, it certainly struck a chord with me. Wandering around, you still see some pubs with signs saying established 1680something here and there but more often said sign in the brickwork is literally all that remains. The Pub of Theseus.
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I was so excited for the "death is a mug's game" line. Honestly a lot of the sweet lines made it in, even a few from later issues. The casual side stepping of the DC stuff was good, but it does have me concerned about my favorite short. They used Death's line about putting the chairs on the tables and locking the universe behind her in The Sound of Her Wings, but it comes from the later story with Element Girl. I wonder if/how they'll adapt that in the inevitable season 2.
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Malpais Legate posted:I was so excited for the "death is a mug's game" line. They won't adapt anything with a superhero in it. I would have thought that was obvious from the reworking of S1.
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Jedit posted:They won't adapt anything with a superhero in it. I would have thought that was obvious from the reworking of S1. It wouldn't be hard to rewrite Element Girl in Facade the same way they rewrote Hector and Lyta Hall for the Doll's House. I would have thought that was obvious.
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Malpais Legate posted:It wouldn't be hard to rewrite Element Girl in Facade the same way they rewrote Hector and Lyta Hall for the Doll's House. I mean it's rewritable but not easily since the story focuses on her powers.
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I think it would be easy enough to just drop the story line, plus some other side stories like the haunted boarding school that aren't quite the a tier. There will be a lot to focus on with the abandonment of hell, auctioning the key, and Orpheus, so something will need to hit the chopping board. That said I will riot if Norton doesn't make it in.
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Bug Squash posted:That said I will riot if Norton doesn't make it in. The monkey's paw option here is that Norton makes it in, but they shoot on location in Cardiff or something to stand in for San Francisco.
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LanceHunter posted:The monkey's paw option here is that Norton makes it in, but they shoot on location in Cardiff or something to stand in for San Francisco. I was about to add Lucifer on the beach at sunset, but I can feel the plastic palm trees at Skegness in my heart alread so I'm keeping my peace
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Alhazred posted:There's no way they're cutting Lucifer at the beach. I hope they transform into Tom Ellis during that scene. They are both Netflix shows now, they can have crossovers! I was unreasonably upset that one of Death's famous quotes (I had it on a tshirt which I wore for years until my sister stole it) didn't get used but after venting about it to friends and family I looked it up and it was actually from a later storyline. For some reason I thought it was from the baby scene in episode 6. I guess I'm due for a re-read, it's been a while. Also it might be time to get a new ankh. I was obsessed with egyptian mythology as a kid. I got my first ankh from my dad's Ultima IV box, came with a cloth map. Then my second one came from a market stall on vacation in Mexico. They said it was silver but I paid like $26 for it, it looked cool though so I didn't question it. It ended up getting buried in the woods a few years later by a girlfriend's sister who thought it was satanic. I'd like to think it will give some archaeologist the wrong idea in a few thousand years.
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bagrada posted:I hope they transform into Tom Ellis during that scene. They are both Netflix shows now, they can have crossovers! They should have crossovers with better shows 
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I binged 7 episodes last night and have really been enjoying it. It's cool to see so many iconic scenes from the comic being acted out. I think people bitching about "woke" changes don't know wtf they're talking about. I was hoping for the little throwaway during 24/7 of John Dee watching everyone and just going "Neat." I was also expecting more resolution about the rest of the world afterwards. I think they should do the little vignette comic Death and Constantine did about safe sex, but keep the casting the same just to gently caress with people.  The show is great, I'll finish the series tonight.
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Jedit posted:They won't adapt anything with a superhero in it. Now I'm curious what the Norse pantheon is going to offer Dream in exchange for the key to Hell. bagrada posted:I was unreasonably upset that one of Death's famous quotes (I had it on a tshirt which I wore for years until my sister stole it) didn't get used but after venting about it to friends and family I looked it up and it was actually from a later storyline. For some reason I thought it was from the baby scene in episode 6. I guess I'm due for a re-read, it's been a while. I had the same shirt - wore it until it more or less fell apart. The quote happens later during Brief Lives. Waffle! posted:I was hoping for the little throwaway during 24/7 of John Dee watching everyone and just going "Neat." To be fair, that line only works because the Addams Family theme is playing in the background.
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I like Jenna Coleman, but I did not care for Constantine on the show. But then again I have never liked any of the Constantine characters.
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Oasx posted:I like Jenna Coleman, but I did not care for Constantine on the show. But then again I have never liked any of the Constantine characters. tbf that's totally on brand with Constantine. Reading Sandman at an early age was how I learned about "Down the road, not across the street." 
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Oasx posted:I like Jenna Coleman, but I did not care for Constantine on the show. But then again I have never liked any of the Constantine characters. Her coat was too clean - I would have preferred her a bit grubbier, more along the lines of the Netflix Jessica Jones incarnation. Although I did like Morpheus' dig along the lines of "it would require stronger magic than mine to find anything in this mess". Massive props to the writers for going deep cuts on the list of Constantine's exes. Kit Ryan, holy poo poo, that took me right back to the Garth Ennis run.
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bagrada posted:I hope they transform into Tom Ellis during that scene. They are both Netflix shows now, they can have crossovers! Easy thing to mistake, honestly. The baby scene has a similar line with "that's all you get" but the famous line of "You get a lifetime" is from Brief Lives when one of the people Dream and Delirium are trying to find to locate Destruction is crushed by falling bricks
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Bug Squash posted:I think it would be easy enough to just drop the story line, plus some other side stories like the haunted boarding school that aren't quite the a tier. There will be a lot to focus on with the abandonment of hell, auctioning the key, and Orpheus, so something will need to hit the chopping board. The Dead Boy Detectives amazingly had a cameo/minor role in the latest season of Doom Patrol, so that storyline might not be available anyways. They had better do Norton.
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I'm only 5 episodes in but I'm very pleased with the adaptation so far. I read through the comic for the third time about two years ago and it's by far my favorite work of Neil Gaiman, and one of my favorites of all time. I don't know about almost any of the Golden Age references though, interesting to hear even Cain and Abel existed prior to Gaiman's work. What throwbacks are there to the Golden Age Sandman, for example? I guess the helm is a reference (judging from the first image I saw of the character when I googled him). So far my favorite scene from the comics that has been adapted is Dream's contest in Hell to recover his helm. The representation of Lucifer from that arc is my favorite depiction of that character in any media, and I really enjoy how they paid homage to the Bowie-like appearance from that part of the comic as well. I didn't mind Dream playing the Oldest Game with Lucifer instead of Choronzon. I really hope the series gets renewed for another season. I've been recommending Sandman to my friends for the past decade or so and a few of them have finally come around now that it's gotten a mainstream adaptation to draw them in! Tosk fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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