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We finally got our disproportionate revenge for Pearl Harbor. Or maybe not enough revenge given that Pearl Harbor (2001) still happened.
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My thought are it did not seem like a chill time.
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Aug 7, 2022 13:39
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They were objectively more humane than literally firebombing a city every other day. It stopped Japan from being split in two with the Soviets, saved millions of lives on both sides in regards to the planned land invasion, and Japan's leadership was not united in aiming for peace. Considering they were already accustomed to fire bombings, these were simply an escalation in scale. They were cited as prime reasons in Emperor Hirohito's surrendering speech; it's safe to say they at least gave the Japanese an "out" to surrender. The Soviets were an existential threat and Japan did not want them involved in any post-war negotiations. To put this further into perspective, the nuclear bombs dropped on both cities destroyed 4.7 miles and then 1.8 miles of land. The conventional bombing of Tokyo destroyed 15.8 miles. War sucks but it is what it is. Modern nuclear weapons are much, much more destructive than what was used in '45.
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Aug 7, 2022 13:41
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We thought it would mellow them out a little. You know. Give some perspective on what’s really important in life.
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Aug 7, 2022 13:42
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It's real bad OP.
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Aug 7, 2022 14:00
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Pearl Harbor = hosed around Hiroshima/Nagasaki = found out
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Aug 7, 2022 14:51
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should've nuked Moscow after that and Darfur while they were at it
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Aug 7, 2022 14:59
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On the Japanese instrument of surrender the Canadian Representative put his signature on the wrong line and hosed it up for everyone else
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Aug 7, 2022 15:34
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Remember the panic of the late 80s/early 90s that the Japanese were going to completely take over American society? Michael Crichton wrote an entire book about it that was racist as fuuuuuuuuuck lol
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Aug 7, 2022 15:42
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Wasn’t Japan on the verge of surrendering anyway as the Soviet’s were slaughtering them from the other side? Or did Oliver Stone lie to me?
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Aug 7, 2022 18:05
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Nah all of our mass murders are justified and necessary
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Aug 7, 2022 18:07
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I would say Japan made it's choices really. I agree it would have been way funnier to let the soviets deal with it though, lmfao.
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Aug 7, 2022 18:12
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War is bad. Killing innocent people is bad. Nuking two entire cities full of innocent people because the US had to flex its new toy to the world is bad. It’s all bad, OP.
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Aug 7, 2022 18:25
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the cities were never bombed, those were crisis actors etched in the walls of crisis buildings
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Aug 7, 2022 18:32
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*pulls lever in the Enola Guy, but through a hole in a sheet*
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Aug 7, 2022 18:32
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it was simply the natural progression of warfare pointy sticks > swords > gunpowder > nukes > calling the other guy a cucked soyboy > nukes again
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Aug 7, 2022 18:38
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Japan should be allowed to nuke
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Aug 7, 2022 18:39
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:On the Japanese instrument of surrender the Canadian Representative put his signature on the wrong line and hosed it up for everyone else Lmao
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Aug 7, 2022 18:39
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in retrospect, it was wrong of me to say that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents made me "doki doki"
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Aug 7, 2022 18:41
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?s=21&t=sj4n-crdCpFnSbXy-xvlLw
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Aug 7, 2022 18:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7-a39L0jU
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Aug 7, 2022 18:53
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Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:They were objectively more humane than literally firebombing a city every other day. It stopped Japan from being split in two with the Soviets, saved millions of lives on both sides in regards to the planned land invasion, and Japan's leadership was not united in aiming for peace. In war lots of cultures say they will fight to the last man, woman, and child, but the Japanese actually meant it. We were doing very, very bad things to them for a long time before the nukes
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Aug 7, 2022 18:59
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The atomic bombing of Japan is directly responsible for a large quantity of anime, and therefore must be condemned.
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Aug 7, 2022 20:52
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We should’ve nuked only the men and babies
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Aug 7, 2022 21:16
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Did nuking Japan directly lead to the creation of Anime?
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Aug 7, 2022 21:35
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Sophy Wackles posted:Did nuking Japan directly lead to the creation of Anime? yeah the radiation gave all their cartoons massive tatas
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Aug 7, 2022 21:44
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If you are starting the timeline at July 31st of 45', then it's probably the best thing that could have realistically happened. Still super sucks, op
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Aug 7, 2022 21:44
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Jack-in-the-Bach posted:I will nuke the poo poo out of you, in civilization 6 Calm down, Ghandi.
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Aug 7, 2022 21:46
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dont forget the US set up radiation clinics that purely studied the affected people but provided no actual medical aid, for decades
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Aug 7, 2022 22:29
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I thought it was stupid that they didn’t just nuke hitler. 
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Aug 7, 2022 22:37
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I can relate to thr people who were nuked at Hiroshima and Nagasaki cuz sometimes my anushole hurts after I poo poo too big
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Aug 7, 2022 22:42
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:I thought it was stupid that they didn’t just nuke hitler. Nuking white people was haram at the time.
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Aug 7, 2022 23:12
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The bomb was developed for Nazi Germany but Germany surrendered before it was complete.
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Aug 7, 2022 23:15
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I'm (Enola) Gay
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Speaking of bombings, Rich Vos will be performing at Zanies Comedy Club in Chicago on the 17th.
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Aug 7, 2022 23:18
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Nuts and Gum posted:Wasn’t Japan on the verge of surrendering anyway as the Soviet’s were slaughtering them from the other side? I've heard this line but none of the books I've read have put a lot of stock in it, though most of the sources being US or Japanese (from during or after occupation) could certainly introduce a bias towards handwaving that off. Given Japan was still planning on defending their homelands by forcing civillians to be poorly armed conscripts or suicide bombers, and there was still a coup attempt even after 2 bombs were dropped, its hard for me to think there was any realistic peace on the table, at least one that didn't let the IJN/IJA keep their occupied territories. I'm not even sure how surrendering to Russia would have even mattered, Russia can't unilaterally make the US declare peace after being attacked. Was the idea that Russia would then safeguard Japan and the US would have had to go to war with the Soviets if they wanted to liberate Japanese held territory?
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Aug 7, 2022 23:38
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I'm (Enola) Gay
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Aug 7, 2022 23:40
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Christopher Nolan is making an Oppenheimer Movie, looks promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hflCiNtY6MA
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Seriouspost: I think we got lucky as hell. Nuclear weapons were going to be developed, once science advanced to the point where they started discovering nuclear physics it was just a matter of time. One discovery leads to another and sooner or later people would figure out how to make things go boom via this new physics. However. The timing of this was coincidentally such that the development of a working nuclear bomb was on the horizon just before and then during a huge global war; and it was just barely accomplished towards the end of that war, just in time for two (comparably small) first-generation bombs to be dropped on inhabited urban targets. In particular, nobody other than the USA had a realistic chance of completing a nuclear bomb project before the war would have been over, thanks to a truly massive advantage in both material resources and available trained personnel. (Not just the big physics thinkers, but every qualified lab worker you need for a project like that... if you don't have them, you need to spend years educating them.) Some years later, of course, multiple other powers had copied the homework and got their own arsenals, bigger numbers of bigger bombs... but by then we'd all had a good eyeful of the actual effects the drat things have on cities full of humans, and successfully classified them as last-resort deterrence weapons. 77 years later and they've still not been used again. Contrast with the alternate possibility, where the required advances in science came during peacetime; maybe a situation similar to the decade or so before WW1... multipolar political setup, several militaristic great powers, everyone always working to strengthen their military power. Someone completes their project, everyone else copies their homework, soon enough everyone has sizeable arsenals of bombs significantly bigger than the ones dropped on Japan... then some fucker shoots an Archduke in the Balkans or something... and nobody has seen what a nuclear bomb will do to a city, it's all theoretical.
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Conversely if the United States had nuclear bombs in 1938, Pearl harbor never would have happened in 41 and Germany would have probably been a lot more hesitant about attacking Western European allies of the United States lol
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