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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The bigger it fails the sooner it can all end. Oh you sweet child. It'll never end
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Barry Convex posted:Gunn thread in response, doesn't really clarify anything (I wouldn't have expected much in that regard, but I figured he'd have at least directly addressed WW3... nope) And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards Lobo!
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I hope it remains a poo poo show. I don't want to see them do it "right".
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LividLiquid posted:Bruce Timm and co. already did it once and it was amazing, remains most fans' favorite rendition of the DC universe, and they learned exactly nothing from it. I mean if you’re 10…
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Dec 9, 2022 21:24
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They kinda did the whole shared universe pretty well, to be honest. Separate series that had a few crossover episodes was good. It was the way it should be.
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Dec 9, 2022 22:30
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I don't know, guys. I think when we hear things like "do Lobo" and "more anti-heroes" along with "reboot everything so we go back to #1" I am sure this will do wonderful things for everything superhero comic book-related.
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LividLiquid posted:Bruce Timm and co. already did it once and it was amazing, remains most fans' favorite rendition of the DC universe, and they learned exactly nothing from it. Snyders Superman basically identical to the DCAU version, and people still complained because it didn't match the rosetinted nostalgia-poisoned version in their heads McCloud fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 01:12
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All people know about Superman now is the All-Star Superman page and the Justice League cartoon scene where he says "You mean Santa wrapped them" They think they remember Donner Superman but it is clear from how they describe it they do not.
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Dec 10, 2022 01:22
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So wholesome when he dropped Zod to his death and brutally beat that trucker within an inch of his life
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Dec 10, 2022 01:48
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McCloud posted:Snyders Superman basically identical to the DCAU version, and people still complained because it didn't match the rosetinted nostalgia-poisoned version in their heads
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Dec 10, 2022 02:14
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No Dignity posted:The DCU is dead, bury it With the DC stuff I would just make movies with the characters and not worry about connecting everything. DC has a rich history with some of the best comic book characters ever created to work with. The crossover stuff is just going to bog it down and if someone wants to make a good movie with the properties then just let them do that. I don't think it's a coincidence that the DC movies I've liked the most were the ones that relied on continuity the least or just outright ignored it.
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Dec 10, 2022 02:14
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McCloud posted:So wholesome when he dropped Zod to his death and brutally beat that trucker within an inch of his life The music was uplifting and Supes had a big cheesy grin on his face, it was super wholesome!!  It's a bit telling that both scenes involve Superman acting weak and feeble and tricking a person who thought they were strong into attacking him which results in their hand getting broken, the idealized "nostalgic" view of Superman is pretty much just people's escapist fantasies of getting super powers and beating up their school bullies. The diner scene pretty much ends with the equivalent of "and then everybody clapped!"
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There really isn't a formula for a Superman film. People built up that character in their head and nothing will come to what they want it to be. The Donner film, DCAU, Snyder's films, they all have similar DNA but go about adaptation differently that people aren't going to like how it's done in some of them. There are people who grew up with the Snyder films' Superman that they might watch the Superman cartoon and not like it one bit or watch the Donner film and think that depiction of the character is awful.
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Dec 10, 2022 02:28
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McCloud posted:Snyders Superman basically identical to the DCAU version, and people still complained because it didn't match the rosetinted nostalgia-poisoned version in their heads DCAU Superman is born from the post-Criss focus on the Kents and the idea that Clark Kent and Superman are functionally indistinguishable people, a needle that I think the DCAU threaded better than some of its contemporaries that really lost the sense of dichotomy between Clark and Superman. The DCAU casts Clark's hero's journey as being something more Spider-Man like. He functionally is just a run of the mill kid who finds out he has superpowers. While All-Star Superman appropriates a lot of silver age features, it does sort of summarize on that great first page the more Kent-focused take on Superman's origin: the Els are just desperate people trying to save their kid, and the thing that makes Superman's Kryptonian origins important is that their faith in the goodness of others is rewarded. Like all you need to know about Superman is that his birth parents believed that lightyears away that people they didn't know we're good and would take care fo their son, and they were right. Snyder's take is a bit more classically Silver Age with Kryptonian culture being a lot more central, and the Kents definitely have shared importance with the El family. It's not necessarily bad and it being an origin story of how Superman becomes Clark Kent is really clever, but I would say it is pretty different from DCAU Superman. For as lovely as Smallville is though, I do enjoy it's take that Jonathan Kent and Jor-El are both just huge pieces of poo poo. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Superman has always been a destabilizing, potentially disturbing figure. He lives between the poles of “he could kill everyone on the planet on a whim” and “ just a small town all American boy with powers.” There have been an absolute gently caress load of omnicidal Superman stories recently, which I think says something about where we are at the moment, culturally.
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Dec 10, 2022 03:27
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Evil Superman stories are pointless, because an actually superheroic Superman is already scary. "If you had infinite power would you murder people for no reason" is not that interesting. "If you had infinite power would you tolerate genocide? How about absolute poverty?" That's what alienates people about Man of Steel.
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porfiria posted:Superman has always been a destabilizing, potentially disturbing figure. He lives between the poles of “he could kill everyone on the planet on a whim” and “ just a small town all American boy with powers.” There have been an absolute gently caress load of omnicidal Superman stories recently, which I think says something about where we are at the moment, culturally. It's be interesting going back and seeing how all the different generational iterations of the character from 1938 onwards reflected the zeitgeist of the era.
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Halloween Jack posted:Evil Superman stories are pointless, because an actually superheroic Superman is already scary. "If you had infinite power would you murder people for no reason" is not that interesting. "If you had infinite power would you tolerate genocide? How about absolute poverty?" That's what alienates people about Man of Steel. It’s maybe not super interesting, but I’m pretty sure a decent percentage of Americans would randomly murder people if they had Godlike powers. Even more would do it not so randomly.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I don't think that's really true, but not necessarily in a bad way. I don't think the differences are as big as you make them out to be. Snyders version does put a heavier emphasis on his kryptonian heritage, but MoS is all about Clarks journey to become Superman, not the other way around. There's a reason the scene of Superman crying at Zods snapped neck (  ) is shot identical to the scene of baby el being born. But more than that, what I meant is that both versions share a lot of qualities, in both versions they focus on him being "just a guy trying to do good", he makes mistakes, he gets angry, he feels anxious about his place in the world and how people react to him and fear him, he goes to his parents when he needs advice, they both have scenarios where Darkseid controls them to cause havoc, they both are involved in massive collateral damage when they fight, etc. Almost all the things that people criticize Snyder-man for are there in spades in the DCAU version. Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's be interesting going back and seeing how all the different generational iterations of the character from 1938 onwards reflected the zeitgeist of the era. I think Lex Luthors iterations are almost more interesting. In the early 40's, during the birth of nuclear power, he's a mad scientist playing with radiation and atoms. In the 80's reimagining he's a Wall Street tycoon at a time when Reaganism was at its worst (fun fact: this version of Luthor actually predates the movie Wallstreet by a whole year), and in BvS he's a Zuckerburgesque silicon valley tech geek. It's almost like he's an indicator for what's going to be screwing over the next generation
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Timeless Appeal posted:. https://youtu.be/tEfoNXQDWBs BVS Superman : All this time I've been living my life the way my father saw it. Righting wrongs for a ghost, thinking I'm here to do good. Superman was never real. Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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I feel like there's room for a golden age/fleischer take where "real strong + flight" doesn't imply world breaking strength. He's just like a guy with a very fast car, or something.
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Comic Book Movie Megathread: "do Lobo"
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All Glory To The LoboVerse
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Jason Momoa as Lobo is like obvious, should have gone Jack Black as Lobo
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McCloud posted:I don't think the differences are as big as you make them out to be. Snyders version does put a heavier emphasis on his kryptonian heritage, but MoS is all about Clarks journey to become Superman, not the other way around. There's a reason the scene of Superman crying at Zods snapped neck ( I’m not saying they’re completely different characters. But they’re not identical for me. If anything, I think he’s much closer to Reeves’s Superman in terms of his arc and Jesusness.
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Hey now maybe they'll use the rebooted New 52 Lobo: a serious, clean cut young man with a sensible haircut who was all dark and broody about his tragic past
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Gonna be honest, Gunn's suicide squad was the least interesting of the DC movies to me even if it was conventionally entertaining. Going to remain cautiously pessimistic here.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The music was uplifting and Supes had a big cheesy grin on his face, it was super wholesome!! this but unironically
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Neurolimal posted:Gonna be honest, Gunn's suicide squad was the least interesting of the DC movies to me even if it was conventionally entertaining. Going to remain cautiously pessimistic here. Hard agree though it was still leagues better than Wonder Woman '84. They should have either made a movie focusing on Harley or made a movie focusing on Peacekeeper because it really dragged in the middle. I liked most of the Harley scenes in it a lot though like the Lethal Weapon homage and how they all worked together to kill the decarabia and stuff. Extremely normal no issues at all junkie Ratcatcher 2 was fun too lol Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Without having seen it, I recently thought how weird WW84's plot about all that wish poo poo and human cheetahs is when Shazam 2 and I think Aquaman 2 deal with old gods coming back. Like, that's Wonder Woman's whole thing! What was everybody thinking?
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Grendels Dad posted:Without having seen it, I recently thought how weird WW84's plot about all that wish poo poo and human cheetahs is when Shazam 2 and I think Aquaman 2 deal with old gods coming back. Like, that's Wonder Woman's whole thing! What was everybody thinking? It's unprecedented and worth seeing for how completely bizarre it is and like you say, it's so weirdly off from everything that the first WW film and the character's brief time in BVS/etc. was all about. Also there are some incredibly weird things in it that don't even include the "heh look at these dumbass Arabs, thank god the Like that gold armor of uh, whoever Lynda Carter briefly plays at the very end. A big deal is made of it and Wonder Woman dons it, flies over to do battle with Cheetah, and she basically stands in place tanking Cheetah's slashes at it until it is completely destroyed. Like Superman ripping off Steppenwolf's armor in ZS' Justice League or something. Like she swoops and and just stands around as Cheetah does this. Also there's a scene meant to illustrate how Cheetah has become too violent and has gone too far and stuff and the scene is that she wants to beat up someone who was attempting to rape her. I mean the movie is PG-13 but I really couldn't interpretate that any other way, and it's played in this overwrought "how could she do this" way that melted my brain with how loving stupid it was. gently caress that movie. I'm curious as to what her treatment for WW3 was and/or what the studio notes were that caused her to walk away lol Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Also there are some incredibly weird things in it that don't even include the "heh look at these dumbass Arabs, thank god the This is an absolutely lunatic take.
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm curious as to what her treatment for WW3 was and/or what the studio notes were that caused her to walk away lol https://twitter.com/LeCinephiles/status/1601020451395772417?t=etecSP0n8UabJy-yV4jiVA&s=19
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Goffer posted:https://twitter.com/LeCinephiles/status/1601020451395772417?t=etecSP0n8UabJy-yV4jiVA&s=19 The funniest poo poo.
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Goffer posted:https://twitter.com/LeCinephiles/status/1601020451395772417?t=etecSP0n8UabJy-yV4jiVA&s=19 When you have the problem of the charismatic love interest being dead and the lead is a black hole.
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https://twitter.com/LeCinephiles/status/1601021099055009792?t=0iWMZKOcJoFVPBSAXEsLiA&s=19 As deeply funny as that would be, I don't think this is a real email.
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I don’t know, you’ve seen the leaked sony emails ? https://variety.com/2014/biz/news/leaked-sony-emails-reveal-jokes-about-obama-and-race-1201376676/amp/
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Patrick Spens posted:This is an absolutely lunatic take. I assume that comment references a scene in WW84 taking place in the Middle East, I've seen the parody gif and I *think* what is the original scene on Youtube. And you could always just... not have that in your movie. Like, why the gently caress would you have that in your movie? What is Wonder Woman even doing there? It's just a supremely lovely look in what appears to be a movie designed to look terrible on many levels.
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McCloud posted:For those unaware, that's a satire account CelticPredator posted:I don’t know, you’ve seen the leaked sony emails ? Yeah, the odds of that being close to the actual emails Patty sent are pretty high lmao.
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