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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I'm in before everyone starts dropping like flies in the other two games and fill this up.

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
US Labor day is the perfect day for crass commercialism (Its how we celebrate all our holidays)!

##enter shop

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Also, I am saddened by the tragic death of the poor flower girl. We should all search within our souls and the perpetrator should just come forward. JusticeMercy will be given.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

girl dick energy posted:

Good mornin’!

##open shop

Potions, get yer roguelike potions here! What do they do? What do they cost? gently caress if I know!

Oh man! I want a potion! But I already spent all my monies at Meen's shop. Hope you stay open long enough for me.to raise more money for next time.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Grandicap posted:

Game 1 the shop keep was scum, I don't think Yami would pull that trick again, but he would think that I wouldn't think that he would pull that trick again.
I'm on to you Yami!

But also, I am a consumer whore down to my very soul.

##enter shop

Looks like Yami found a way to cut this Gordian knot for you!

Ie. I suspect one shopkeep is scum and one is town.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

I like Spork

PsychoSoldier posted:

There's scum in Hal, Bif, and Cloaca, methinks

Maaaaaaaaaybe Food. Don't feel as good about that.

Towncore is binus and Spork. Fight me.

I don't like these two posts. Feels like attempting to butter me up. I know Psycho likes to end joke phase and start playing the game right away and put pressure on people, but it feels too early to be making reads like this.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

WindwardAway posted:

Gonna get down to business now, actually
Work's a bit slow in the office so I went back in the thread to check something, and...

##vote SporkChan

I don't really like any of their posts.
It's not that they're outwardly scummy, but it feels like they're trying to... blend in and vibe? But in a weird way. The only post that had any notable content is where they echoed the hypothesis that one shop is town and one is scum. Now, I've seen several people float that idea around, but it mostly sounded like it was being floated as a possibility, and yet Spork sounds more like they just latched onto the idea as a means of making some sort of post that was supposed to look productive.

WindwardAway posted:

I literally glossed over all of your reads earlier because I was half asleep and didn't have any opinions
Can you outline for me what you like about Spork?

Well that's some timing on my part.

As to the one point you made, Wind. I feel like I was the first to float the idea that one shop is town and one is scum.

SporkChan posted:

Looks like Yami found a way to cut this Gordian knot for you!

Ie. I suspect one shopkeep is scum and one is town.

But not sure how saying I suspect something isn't 'floating a possibility'.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

This post only strengthens my townread tbh

That's fine. Just don't expect reciprocation on my part.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

WindwardAway posted:

Your post about the shops was in direct reply to Grandicap's post where he pitched the "one town, one scum" shop idea.

Uh no? Grandi's post quoted is from when there was only one shop in this game. He was commenting on the shop from the last Isekai game.

This feels like willful misreading at this point.

##vote Windward

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Alright does look like I probably jumped the gun on Wind. Didn't help that work pulled me away in the middle of the exchange so I thought it was 30+ min (which would give Wind ample time to check their reads) instead of the actual 10 it really was.

##unvote

That said I don't really like this:

WindwardAway posted:

##vote Grandicap

This is pure OMGUS because I don't really have a better reason to vote.

I know it's a jokephase OMGUS, but just feels like a bad vote.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Looks like GDE gave potions to PsychoSoldier, A Sometimes Food, and Meen.

To those players, did you get anything mechanical? Or were all those posts by GDE just an opportunity for puns?

Just trying to determine if the potion shop works differently than the shop last game did and Meen's appears to.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

SporkChan posted:

Looks like GDE gave potions to PsychoSoldier, A Sometimes Food, and Meen.

To those players, did you get anything mechanical? Or were all those posts by GDE just an opportunity for puns?

Just trying to determine if the potion shop works differently than the shop last game did and Meen's appears to.

Okay, seems like it wasn't a mechanical thing. Reason I had asked was I was suspicious that GDE was attempting to cover low content posting with all the shops stuff. Get over the post limit hump as scum while not really having to comment on the game state.

But I just went over their posts and things seem fine. Little low content, but we are still in the first 24 hours, so nothing too egregious.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

WindwardAway posted:

But who would ever abandon their cat dragon at a shelter? 😱

Listen sometimes you get one for the kids, but you didn't realize how much of a hassle it would be. Or maybe it doesn't get along with your other pet cat dragons. If someone can't take care of their pet, better they give it to a shelter than just neglect it. Or worse, toss it out on the street.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Speaking of moving, would consider moving vote to either b- or bifauxnen. But happy enough at the moment.

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Like to explain your beef with the shopkeepers? Wtf indeed.

Uh, no. I agree with b- here. Why would we move our vote to those two? b- has been their usual self, and also claimed miller, which is often a town role. bif has been a non-entity so far, other than choosing not to visit any shops.


binus I can see, though I disagree. But do you have any reason for encouraging folks to vote for bif?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Propaganda Machine posted:

Hang on.

You're talking a miller claim seriously?

I mean of course? Truth or lie it gives us info about binus and about everyone who reacts to it.

Currently I believe binus is town. That is all gut read since binus is infamous for being taciturn and I am bad at reading folks anyway. Since I believe binus is town I also believe he is a miller, since lying as town is a bad idea.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I've just finished a truly terrible day at work, capped off by finding out our contact is ending is 2 months, 6 months earlier than expected.

I've managed to skim read most of the thread so some quick reads incoming. Will go back and dig deeper after I recover a little.

I like Grandi and Nep's posting, though I'm not 100% sold on either case they put forth. I feel a bit like Cloaca made one not great post and has gotten ganged up on, which I don't like. I think Psycho and binus both have the same play of stirring the pot to see what happens, just very different approaches on how to do it. Both shopkeepers have felt a bit of post padding going on. Neither seems to have chimed in with reads or posted much of anything beyond their respective shopkeeper stuff. Circl I don't like the posting gimick, but understand a self imposed method to force thru anxiety.

Everyone else has felt somewhat just there. Oh except for wind who has a staggering amount of posts. They feel like scum hunting, but also defies the ability to go back and scour for info.

I'll be back shortly after I clear my head.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Oh also in the spirit of disclosure, I got a message earlier in D1 and, I believe, was able to give a response.

binus also mentioned getting a message around the same time.

So we might have a messenger player amongst us.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Sorry as well folks. I took a nap thinking that the deadline was 4am, because I am an idiot and did not think about time zones. Slept right through deadline and woke up too late to affect things.

My reads haven't changed too much over the long night. Still mostly trusting of the three post leaders (Nep, Psycho, and Wind). Also have good feels about Grandi.

The RWC case feels light, but compelling enough. I would have voted them had I been around to avoid a NL.
Cirlc's gimmick continues to annoy me, but the rest of their posting has been fairly towny.

I really don't like what Meen seems to be up to. Not sure if it's scummy or not though. But being a shopkeeper can't keep them alive forever.

I'd be okay with either a Meen or RWC vote at this point, but want to hear from more people. Especially the two subs Cpig and Sandwolf.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Sounds like Never was the lucky winner of a pet from Meen.

Anyone want to claim the got a potion from GDE/Sand's shop?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CapitalistPig posted:

What is it you expect me to say that I haven't already said?

I would hope you'd read day 1 and offer thoughts on it.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

How did you come to townreading me?

Going over your posts during N1. I always had a slight town read, just not anything solid. You seem interested in finding scum, didn't obviously avoid mentioning anyone or anything else.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CapitalistPig posted:

Apparently you don't know me very well.

You or Sand it would appear. Not sure how I feel about that.

But it can't be helped I guess. Guess we just talk about today's stuff then.

What're your thoughts on RWC double voting Nep? Scummy play, or angry townie?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CapitalistPig posted:

You realize earlier on this day Nep gave me a breakdown of day 1 and I gave my feelings on it right? This includes feelings on RWC.

I did realize that, I read it. Nep gave you a couple sentences summing up a whole day. And it was only focused on RWC and the vote around them.

I just dont like you refusing to read or even skim D1 when subbing in, asking for a summary, and then fully agreeing with the person who gave the summary.

At this point I'll drop it, cause its a slap fight distraction from the rest of the game.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
At this point I'm feeling less secure about both the shopkeepers. Meen is engaging more, which is good at least. Not just dropping 10 posts and bouncing. Sand seems more aggressive than normal, not quite sure whats going on yet

I'm not sure how I feel about RWC dropping the early double vote on Nep. I can see it as a way to stall momentum since RWC was gaining votes fast at the start of the day, but that could go for any allignment.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

You didn't always have a slight townread

WindwardAway posted:

Spork didn't townread me yesterday, either lol
As you may recall, they jumped on me for "willfully misinterpreting" their post, which Grandicap and then HCT both weighed in on.

You are both referencing things that happened early on in D1. You both made (I think literally) hundreds of posts between the two of you since then. I wasn't around much the back half of D1 so had nearly 48 hours of reading and thinking to adjust my positions. I'll admit that things have changed since those posts early on and I have better opinions of you both.

Specifically Psycho, you are correct I shouldn't have said 'always' for my town read. I did side-eye your early posts claiming to have a town read on me. I just felt it was too early to have a town read on anyone. Poking the bear by calling people scum and seeing what falls out at the beginning of D1 I understand and approve of, even if I don't really do it myself. But buttering up the bear, as it were, by calling someone town early on doesn't serve the same purpose and I don't like it as much. It feels like something which will provide less info as what is the person to do, argue with you that no, they are scum?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Cloacamazing! posted:

I did receive a beautiful minstrel message of amore last day phase though, so at least that cheered me up. Thank you.

Interesting. That would make you the third person to claim they got a song as a message yesterday.

I also got a message, but it was not a song for me to play, it was someone talking to me and (appearing) to wait for a response.

Almost certainly two different roles/players.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

If I have good feels on someone, I'm gonna put it in the thread. Even if it gives me nothing to learn from you specifically(which it did, your reaction to scumread me townreading you made me feel better about you at the time), I can learn by how others react to it. Especially if it's an early read that's hardly justified. That read can change, but the more of my thoughts and info I put into the thread, the more there is for others to react to and actually make things pop off.

This is fair. I'm still new to online mafia and :justpost: does not come naturally to me. I'm working on it.

PsychoSoldier posted:

Anyway, other people that have stood out to you as potentially scummy other than your stated reads so far?

Thought I had last night; If RWC is town, then scum would have wanted him to get lunched. This suggests to me that all, or most, of the scum were already on the vote. Between that and how quickly some people reupped their votes at the beginning of the day has me suspicious. Nep, Never, Circl, and Hal are the folks on both votes right now. Note that if you think RWC is actually scum this doesn't mean much, but I'm not sold yet.

Of those I'm finding NeverHelm the worst. Going through their posts and a lot of it is white noise. Lots of agreeing with folks, piggybacking on already made cases or stating things already agreed upon (Circl's posting gimmick is annoying, etc.) Just doesn't feel like a strong presence. Never is, like me, fairly new so might not be comfortable if they rolled scum. This might not even have rolled scum in any games yet, I'm not sure.


Regardless I need to head to bed so I'm logging off. I'm sure I'll wake up to 100+ new posts, you all have fun.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I think the thing that is bothering me the most about the RWC votes is that the whole thread seems to have consensus on voting them out. Whenever I see that happen it almost always means the person in question is town. Unless there is some clear mechanical reason (confirmed town tracked them to a kill, etc) which we don't have here.

If RWC was scum, I feel like someone would be proposing an alternate case at this point. And other than me the thread seems united. Heck I would vote them if it came down to it, as their flip would give lots of info at this point. But their game feels more frustrated town than anything else at this point. And the complete thread consensus means that scum are in there.

Just to put it out there, wouldn't you expect scum to expend some effort to save a teammate with a double vote?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Since folks seem eager to finish this day for reasons I don't understand I wanna get this out of the way.

##enter Pet Shop

I'm hoping that if the last pet was bad, this one will be good!

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

NeverHelm posted:

I'm not sure if Spork's theory that people being reluctant to hammer RWC at EoD is because scum were already on them makes much sense. Looking back, at that point it seemed really unlikely that anyone else was likely to get lunched and town would want to vote even if they weren't entirely sold on RWC because no-lunch sucks. Spork even admits that they would do the same, so what going on here?

My point was that scum love to mislunch on D1 as it's the easiest day to explain away a mislunch.
"Whoops, guess I misread them! Oh well, moving on..."
So in my mind if scum could have pushed things over on RWC they would have. Heck, even if they whole team ran in at the last minute they could just be justified as avoiding a no lunch.
So, since scum didn't push RWC over that can only mean two things; RWC is scum and they wanted a no lunch, or scum couldn't push it over, because they were already voting for RWC.

NeverHelm posted:

The much more likely explanation in my mind is that scum didn't want to hammer their own. The second most likely is that those people who didn't vote at the end were AFK but that's not something we can verify. And how exactly is re-voting RWC early suspicious? If you think they were scum before then nothing's changed and the aforementioned reluctance to hammer would only reinforce that. Spork proposes this theory because they "aren't sold on RWC as scum" but also states they might vote them and likes the case to some extent? I'm not saying Spork is definitely scum yet but I feel like they are a inconsistent as of late and it's a bad look, at least if RWC flips scum as I suspect. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to change your mind. But I feel like there were a lot of posts where Spork acknowledges RWC has some shady points, and not a very natural progression to their latest post which goes a long way to paint RWC as town with an in my opinion unlikely theory without outright calling them town.

I liked the case enough that I would have voted on D1, because it was an okay D1 case. And I can see why people want to vote RWC off, as it will give us plenty of mechanical info depending on their flip.
But as I've explained in other posts, the lack of opposing views is giving me pause. And I don't see a problem with talking things out anyway, we have over 48 hours left in D2.

Finally Never, I did notice you responded to my post where I scum read you without responding to that part at all. Just tossing shade on other parts of the post and me in general, once again jumping on something that other people are saying in thread, that I am inconsistent. This isn't serving to change my mind on you.

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

PsychoSoldier posted:

I have a very strong feeling that the first 5 votes on the wagon are mostly, if not all, town. Which is why I'm very much leaning the former over the latter

Fair enough, I just don't share your read of all of them at this point.

If RWC does flip town, would that change your opinion on those folks? Who would you think was scum then?

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