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Rarity posted:The AEW thread OPs need more fanart and memes [56k nightmare]
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I think there was a period after the last big discussion where a bunch of posters seemed to be making a concentrated effort to be more welcoming or speak out against undeserved or uneven hostility. And I still see that happen sometimes. But generally I think everything's kind of settled back into the usual state of things. edit: That was worded badly. I think things are basically the same as they were. Some people are incredibly hostile and it doesn't really feel worth engaging. But I do think some posters have made an effort to change that. I just don't think its really stuck. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 21:52
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Hand Knit posted:Oh, that reminds me. A little while back, there was discussion in the feedback thread about the subforum having a bit of a 'bad vibes' problem that people were having difficulty pinning down. How do people feel things have gone since then? Better? Worse? I’m having a good time personally
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Aug 27, 2022 21:53
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STAC Goat posted:I think there was a period after the last big discussion where a bunch of posters seemed to be making a concentrated effort to be more welcoming or speak out against undeserved or uneven hostility. And I still see that happen sometimes. But generally I think everything's kind of settled back into the usual state of things.
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Aug 27, 2022 21:54
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JOHN CENA posted:have you been following big brother this season man did that cast go south real abruptly Thankfully I was able to break at least one habit that was just making me miserable.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:05
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Hand Knit posted:Oh, that reminds me. A little while back, there was discussion in the feedback thread about the subforum having a bit of a 'bad vibes' problem that people were having difficulty pinning down. How do people feel things have gone since then? Better? Worse? I think it's better than when a bunch of people (myself included) were randomly called out as making the forum a toxic hell hole, but I didn't think it was all that bad before then either 
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Aug 27, 2022 22:08
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More active mods who can just occasionally remind people we're all posting about professional pretend fighters seems nice, this place is pretty great and we just occasionally get weird about some of the most inconsequential poo poo in the world.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:22
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Literally all the mods here have to do is the bare minimum. Just read the threads, be around after the shows, and if things get rowdy say "Hey let's not be so rowdy if we could please do that", and then if the rowdiness continues, press a button or two. We're all adults but sometimes some of us are adults that yell and say things like "gently caress off gently caress head" when a guy we like loses. Or wins, you never know.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:24
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STAC Goat posted:I think there was a period after the last big discussion where a bunch of posters seemed to be making a concentrated effort to be more welcoming or speak out against undeserved or uneven hostility. And I still see that happen sometimes. But generally I think everything's kind of settled back into the usual state of things. In all honesty after all that discussion I mostly walked away having no idea what people considered aggro or not. To me the aggro posting are the posts that get really mad about wrestling and half the facts about what they're mad at are wrong. I've also been told that thinking those are aggro makes me the aggro posters.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:24
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karmicknight literally only posts when something tjpw adjacent is happening
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Aug 27, 2022 22:27
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Alaois posted:karmicknight literally only posts when something tjpw adjacent is happening more people should follow his lead, imo
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Aug 27, 2022 22:28
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Gumball Gumption posted:In all honesty after all that discussion I mostly walked away having no idea what people considered aggro or not. To me the aggro posting are the posts that get really mad about wrestling and half the facts about what they're mad at are wrong. I've also been told that thinking those are aggro makes me the aggro posters. I guess that's funny since I thought you were one of the posters who seemed to be making a real effort after that discussion. Which is not to suggest you were "part of the problem" or anything but rather that I seem to remember seeing you call out a couple of unnecessarily hostile or dismissive posts in the days after. I think the need to define exactly what's wrong kind of just leads to unhelpful stuff like naming specific posters or posts. I was hopeful that just a general awareness that some people don't wanna post about wrestling if it means getting yelled at and insulted would have a gradual improvement to the culture of the place. But I also think there's a lot of posters who just enjoy that and the attitude is that's them and normal and fun so things just settled back into their natural groove. But also, you know... we had this discussion. We know we don't all agree. So what can you do? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 22:29
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For the most part I'm happy with the subforum. I would like it if the general vibe was more jokey. I'd also like it if some people took wrestling - which is ridiculous - a little less seriously. However that's not really anything admins or mods can really do anything about The one problem I really see is that if someone disagrees with the general consensus there's a lot of jumping on them and it comes off as really hostile and off-putting. The first thing that comes to mind is when Livid Liquid would make some points about problems in AEW's story telling and people would basically gang up on her. It really sucked because it seems to have driven her off and she did make some excellent points at times that I wouldn't have thought of. I will admit she's one of the people who needs to take things a little less seriously though, but that's not a reason to gang up on her. And I'm using Livid Liquid as an example but it has happened to other people.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:29
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This is only a half joking post because I've got no other real feedback but would it be possible to make a thread with an IK that changes based on the current latest poster that we can crown the PSP Ironmetal Hardcore 24/7 Idiot King I guess in the end that just turns into the current idiot king probing the previous one for 6 hours but it was a fun idea for a minute
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Aug 27, 2022 22:34
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Tampa Bae posted:This is only a half joking post because I've got no other real feedback but would it be possible to make a thread with an IK that changes based on the current latest poster that we can crown the PSP Ironmetal Hardcore 24/7 Idiot King You get one probe and then IK passes to them
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Aug 27, 2022 22:38
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STAC Goat posted:I guess that's funny since I thought you were one of the posters who seemed to be making a real effort after that discussion. Which is not to suggest you were "part of the problem" or anything but rather that I seem to remember seeing you call out a couple of unnecessarily hostile or dismissive posts in the days after. I think the need to define exactly what's wrong kind of just leads to unhelpful stuff like naming specific posters or posts. I was hopeful that just a general awareness that some people don't wanna post about wrestling if it means getting yelled at and insulted would have a gradual improvement to the culture of the place. But I also think there's a lot of posters who just enjoy that and the attitude is that's them and normal and fun so things just settled back into their natural groove. I'm generally just trying to be chill but yeah, my biggest take away from that discussion was that people who want to not be yelled at about their wrestling opinions also really liked yelling at others. We should all be chill but there was a lot of rules for thee and not for me being asked for. Generally I do think people have been cooling down with the exception of a few who I do also think were the worst about wanting to be mad but not be mad at.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:39
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm generally just trying to be chill but yeah, my biggest take away from that discussion was that people who want to not be yelled at about their wrestling opinions also really liked yelling at others. We should all be chill but there was a lot of rules for thee and not for me being asked for. Generally I do think people have been cooling down with the exception of a few who I do also think were the worst about wanting to be mad but not be mad at. Yeah, I don't think there's some "side" of this that is right or wrong. Its not AEW fans vs AEW haters or something. Its just a lot of people who's first instinct is to insult someone or can't scroll past a conversation they're not interested in without making a passive aggressive slight or just can't handle disagreement without losing it. And yeah, a lot of posters who do love yelling and insulting people also really don't like it when it comes back on them to any degree. And I dunno. Either that chills out or it doesn't. But I didn't know what the solution to making hundreds of people chill out was then and I don't know now.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:44
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TTBF posted:And I'm using Livid Liquid as an example but it has happened to other people. Getting chaos dunked into oblivion for posting takes like “the comedy rap act with two black dudes, one of whom is openly gay, is exactly like Donald Trump” isn’t being ganged up on, it’s what happens when you post spectacularly dumbass takes.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:45
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History Comes Inside! posted:Getting chaos dunked into oblivion for posting takes like “the comedy rap act with two black dudes, one of whom is openly gay, is exactly like Donald Trump” isn’t being ganged up on, it’s what happens when you post spectacularly dumbass takes.
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Aug 27, 2022 22:47
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I don't think there's some "side" of this that is right or wrong. Its not AEW fans vs AEW haters or something. Its just a lot of people who's first instinct is to insult someone or can't scroll past a conversation they're not interested in without making a passive aggressive slight or just can't handle disagreement without losing it. And yeah, a lot of posters who do love yelling and insulting people also really don't like it when it comes back on them to any degree. And I dunno. Either that chills out or it doesn't. But I didn't know what the solution to making hundreds of people chill out was then and I don't know now. Yes. It does seem that, beyond any moderator action, there needs to be a sort of mutual community-side decision to chill out. From reading your discussion with gumball gumption it feels like you've both taken this initiative, and that many other people have too. I guess one of the hopes might be with a few moderator nudges here and there, that process might be easier. Is that a fair read?
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Aug 27, 2022 22:57
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Having a mod who is around to hand out probably before things get out of hand would be nice. But as that's already being considered, I dunno, I'd have said things are fine most of the time.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:00
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E /\/\ exactly forkboy I think if you had any sort of active moderator participation at all you wouldn’t run into those issues that the AEW thread runs into. I’m not talking about 6ers, I just mean like literally posting “hey chill out” in the thread instead of silently probing people days or weeks later for stuff that nobody can understand.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:00
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i think the vibe overall has imrpoved. the mox v punk posting up until the match last week was a lot of fun. i think people can still get their dander up over things like their opinion being challenged or someone saying they don't like a storyline their favorite wrestler is in. but that will happen everywhere when some people take their entertainment more seriously than others oh and the c*dy and aew is dead horses have fully decomposed and are now becoming one with the earth again, please stop beating them (this won't happen but it's also fine) edit: agree that mods that use their words before their buttons would be a big improvement
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Aug 27, 2022 23:02
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Yeah, there's definitely a difference between a mod saying hey chill out and a regular poster doing it.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:03
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History Comes Inside! posted:Getting chaos dunked into oblivion for posting takes like “the comedy rap act with two black dudes, one of whom is openly gay, is exactly like Donald Trump” isn’t being ganged up on, it’s what happens when you post spectacularly dumbass takes. I'm not talking about her sometimes quite weird takes and I agree that take was exceptionally something else. I'm talking about when she'd say things like it was hard to care about new people getting pushed because it's common to get a push and disappear for a while.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:08
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Jerusalem posted:CarlCX's UFC big event OPs are works of art that are both extremely informative and also hilarious, and a great primer for understanding what is happening in any given show.  I am continually glad people get value out of them.I also think a little more touching base in the threads would be good, but I am the lowly MMA IK and dare not exert power in wrestling threads outside of occasionally probating Bolt Yaride.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:13
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CarlCX posted:
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Aug 27, 2022 23:14
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Make every single poster in the AEW thread a thread IK of the AEW thread and everything will be fine thanks to mutually assured sixer destruction.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:18
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TTBF posted:I'm not talking about her sometimes quite weird takes and I agree that take was exceptionally something else. I'm talking about when she'd say things like it was hard to care about new people getting pushed because it's common to get a push and disappear for a while. It did kind of illustrate the problem though. Because a poster was brought up as having been "driven away" and then immediately that poster was attacked as having said something worthy of being ganged up on. And the fact that LL continued to post after that and there's been other incidents with much less contentious subjects goes by the wayside. The instinct is defensive and aggressive.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:20
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Brut posted:Make every single poster in the AEW thread a thread IK of the AEW thread and everything will be fine thanks to mutually assured sixer destruction. Something Awful's
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Aug 27, 2022 23:25
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STAC Goat posted:It did kind of illustrate the problem though. Because a poster was brought up as having been "driven away" and then immediately that poster was attacked as having said something worthy of being ganged up on. And the fact that LL continued to post after that and there's been other incidents with much less contentious subjects goes by the wayside. The instinct is defensive and aggressive. nvm this was lovely Critical fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 23:28
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Critical posted:the last big post she made was comparing people who act pithy on here to a guy who wanted nothing more than to scream the n word into the mic at karaoke. this was less than 48 hours after someone acted lovely to her in a thread and was shouted down by most of the thread for doing so And the result is a place where everyone is screaming at each other and the only way you find peace is if a bunch of people get driven off. Again it’s why I don’t think anything gets accomplished singling out posters or posts. I could certainly point out nasty things said to LL or unfair probations or gang ups. Or single out this person or that person. But at some point someone’s gotta just drop grudges and pettiness or turn the other cheek or something. At least assuming we want to defuse this stuff instead of just win fights and chase people off.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:39
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I'm interested in this discussion, and maybe I can contribute that, from a moderating perspective, one of the issues is that near-everyone sees their own aggression (or dunking, especially dunking) as righteous. It means that people are constantly asking you that their own posts are exceptions to the rule, often paired with a request to punish their posting enemies.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:43
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yeah we should prob table singling out someone who isn't even here and I shouldn't have participated in it
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Aug 27, 2022 23:44
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Hand Knit posted:I'm interested in this discussion, and maybe I can contribute that, from a moderating perspective, one of the issues is that near-everyone sees their own aggression (or dunking, especially dunking) as righteous. It means that people are constantly asking you that their own posts are exceptions to the rule, often paired with a request to punish their posting enemies. I think a "problem" with this subforum, as I'm sure with any subforum, is people develop their biases and perceptions on what a poster is like or must be thinking. This in turn leads to extreme uncharitable readings and therefore escalations. I've been guilty of it before, although mostly I am pretty perfect.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:48
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I'd like to see something finally done about NienNunb giving me a probation "just because" when they were a wrestling IK. Perhaps permanent IK?
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Aug 27, 2022 23:54
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I think ironically accusing a wrestler of being a Chud is totally played out as a joke.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:56
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I like this place alot. My favorite place on the internet because it's filled with my friends
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Aug 27, 2022 23:56
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Trying posted:I think ironically accusing a wrestler of being a Chud is totally played out as a joke. Someone look into Trying’s twitter likes please
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Shard posted:I like this place alot. My favorite place on the internet because it's filled with my friends
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