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thanks, I will make those adjustments tomorrow when I can reset this 500 quest.Algid posted:Your deck would immediately improve just by no thought cramming in the top 23 cards by rating in BW instead, maybe adjusting for your curve a bit. Basically exactly what Simon said except I would try cramming in the 3rd silversmith as well. lol, yeah i guess it was a minimum of thought considering it's a format I haven't thought about in half a year and with no punishment for bad building or play
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Esper legends seems like a safe craft if there's no more bans for another 12 months? All it's direct competition has been weakened too, so it looks strong
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Probably, but Lithomantic Barrage seriously clipped its wings in Bo3
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Esper legends seems like a safe craft if there's no more bans for another 12 months? All it's direct competition has been weakened too, so it looks strong It is incorrexct to say no more bans for 12 months: 1 - this wasn't the annual banning, that's in August 2 - there's a window to do emergeny bans 3 weeks ish after each set release
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thespaceinvader posted:It is incorrexct to say no more bans for 12 months: oh my bad, I thought the recent bans were the bans for the year, didn't know about the August ones. did know about the emergency ban thing but that wouldn't affect the meta til the new set anyway which I expect to shake up things anyway
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Simply Simon posted:After playing out the MOM Premier, I finally found time to do a MID one. That format is much more relaxed for me, because it feels like it demands exactly my level of playing skill. I have done quite well in MID before and I expect to do so again with this deck: I got absolutely rinsed by two Voldaren Stinger (the 1/1 with first strike on attack that can pump +2/+0 for 2R), despite having a lot of 4-power butts; they simply had a lot of tricks, including Neonate's Rush, which is a ping for one and whoops then 3 power first strike is enough. Eventually I just could not block at all anymore. Kinda disgusting game. Still kinda screwed up a possible double block, because my first strike logic is still faulty. I really don't know why I'm having such a hard time envisioning where the damage goes when. Other loss was heavy flooding, though I also overcommitted my removal a bit against an opp on the ropes due to screw, and welp, screw beat flood when they managed to stabilize with their third color they had apparently been missing. Forgot the third loss. Overall, deck turned out to be just okay, I think that's the issue with green in the format - I took a lot of very solid cards that can do their role fairly well, but you just don't cut it overall against card advantage machines, heavy synergy and such.
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I think the only thing they really missed was Atraxa. That's probably going to hit "emergency ban" territory from what I've seen from streamers.
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Khanstant posted:3 week window seems really short for how slow/reluctant they seem to be with banning decisions. I think something has to be really cracked to eat the week three ban, like on the lines of Felidar Guardian/Saheeli Rai combo
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Lone Goat posted:I think something has to be really cracked to eat the week three ban, like on the lines of Felidar Guardian/Saheeli Rai combo Or Oko Or Uro Or Companions Or Omnath, Locus of Creation Or Fable of the Mirror-Breaker good lord have there been some design oopsie-doodles lately
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The 3-week announcement is like, "right after the pro tour", so it'll be pretty obvious that the new mechanic they've pushed needs some bans when it's 80% of day 2 and seven out of the top eight.
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A Moose posted:I think the only thing they really missed was Atraxa. That's probably going to hit "emergency ban" territory from what I've seen from streamers. Eeeeeeh I'm not certain - there's a bunch of ways now to turn 4, 7 mana, and even without Atraxa, there's Etali and Titan of Industry for the reanimator method (and Portal, potentially also, potentially all of them if you do it with Chaotic Transmutation) as well as Breach the Multiverse if you do it the traditional way (i.e. t2 dork t3 fetch 2 lands with or make 2 treasures). Atraxa is very strong, but so are all the other things you can do with 7 mana. Arguably Etali is actually stronger, given that it draws two guaranteed nonland cards and casts them for free, whereas Atraxa draws up to 8 (I think) but requires both luck and deckbuilding to get more than two or three, and has no inbuilt free mana. If 'get a 7 mana card in play early' becomes the meta, they need to hit the things that accelerate you there early, not the things that getting there does, because there's always more big threatening 7+ mana spells. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Shrecknet posted:Or Oko I don't think people realized how good Fable was within the first three weeks.
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snyprmag posted:I don't think people realized how good Fable was within the first three weeks.
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I think most people knew Fable was strong but not the format defining card it ended up being. A lot of people were higher on Kaito Shizuki being the better 3-mana draw engine.
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Atraxa is one of those things where unless your opponent has lethal on board and removal in hand, you basically win the game when it resolves. Etali whiff. it can grab a couple 1-drops or like, ramp and a counterspell from your opponent and not advance the board. Conversely it can grab multiple blockers if you're behind and sometimes its correct to play Etali instead of Atraxa, but they're both played in the same decks. And Atraxa is definitely the one pushing it over the top. It being a baneslayer that draws 4-6 cards is unreasonable for standard. Especially with leyline binding, which if you're casting Atraxa, costs 1 mana.
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thespaceinvader posted:Eeeeeeh I'm not certain - there's a bunch of ways now to turn 4, 7 mana, and even without Atraxa, there's Etali and Titan of Industry for the reanimator method (and Portal, potentially also, potentially all of them if you do it with Chaotic Transmutation) as well as Breach the Multiverse if you do it the traditional way (i.e. t2 dork t3 fetch 2 lands with or make 2 treasures). Atraxa is very strong, but so are all the other things you can do with 7 mana. The thing about Atraxa is the lifeline on a 7/7 means if it does come down you need to be able to deal with atraxa by your next turn AND win that next turn thanks to the cards, the other big cards give you more room if you've got a good boardstate yourself. If atraxa didn't have the lifelink i think it'd be completely fair.
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Yeah Atraxa is being played in Legacy and is taking up premium slots in Reanimator decks there, its power level can hang there. I haven't seen Etali much by comparison
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Shrecknet posted:absolutely they did. Sheoldred was the one people whiffed on. This is incorrect. Everyone considered the card too slow when it was first released. Even PVDDR considered it only draft chaff and considers it to be one of his biggest whiffs. https://twitter.com/PVDDR/status/1588533939626717184
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It took almost a year for fable to REALLY start dominating standard, it's a really good card but I don't see how you can call it an Oko tier mistake.
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see also ledger shredder and unlicensed hearse. if memory serves I believe it took a while for uro to catch on in legacy as well
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Different context cause I assume it was always unplayable in standard, but Death’s Shadow is a deck that probably could have been competitive a long time before it was discovered
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Etali was my only out in this game, pulled a sticky fingers and choose 2 Gix thing, which I could use to wipe my opponents board, but mine too. It wasn't the worst outcome, but not enough to save me since I was left open and they had 5 incubates just sitting there waiting to convert. I think they kinda forgot about them because they conceded before it even resolved.
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Another what’s the play, if anyone’s interested I was basically certain they had Eiganjo in hand (and they did). I think I played to my out. There’s no point in attacking if they have Eiganjo, and based on their prior attacks with Raffine they certainly had it. If they proactively Skrelv the Raffine on their turn, I’m dead (assuming they have any non lands in hand). But if they target Adeline, I can copy and chump with a white creature (and block Raffine with Djinns), and hope to draw a draw spell into bounce. They would also have to tap out precombat enough for Plaza not to work. So I was relying on them making multiple mistakes, but they made them all (even choosing to connive with Adeline, who would already be hitting for lethal). But I drew Fading Hope which left me 1 point short of lethal, since they did have the Eiganjo.
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See Double on Raffine precombat. If they pay mana for Skrelv then they're locked out of Eiganjo and dead on board, if they pay life they're down to 7 and dead even after killing a Djinn, so they have to let it happen. Then you swing all and need to find two Djinn-pumping cards in your top 3 for the connive.
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Am I missing something? They have 2 white sources.
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Jabor posted:See Double on Raffine precombat. If they pay mana for Skrelv then they're locked out of Eiganjo and dead on board, if they pay life they're down to 7 and dead even after killing a Djinn, so they have to let it happen. It's a good play, but the Eiganjo's Channel ability gets discounted by all those legends down to a single W. That's still probably what I would have done, just hoping they don't see the immediate danger in the Raffine Connive +1 counters because they can Eiganjo the target in response, but I'd hope they miss that I could discard further instants to pump the surviving djinn, that I was sandbagging the true dangerous card by trying to bait out their Skrelv activation. edit: lol I'd be tapped out after this line, this is why I can't play blue tempo AngryBooch fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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If I was already relying on them making a mistake, maybe this line was better because it was much less dependent on the top of my deck. Though I do think it would likely fail because the natural impulse in that situation is to protect your creature, and afaik they had no reason to pay with life. In my line, my hope was that they’d play their turn on autopilot. Regardless, I didn’t consider it at the time. I almost roped out as was. I mean I thought about cloning Raffine but didn’t think about the life implications. Rinkles fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Rinkles posted:Am I missing something? They have 2 white sources. I always miss that ability on Plaza. Manabases are stupidly good for Standard.
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is the historic brawl space a solved format? or does the hell queue keep the 4-5 decks that crowd everything else out away from the brewers lab? every time I try and put something together I always find myself drifting towards the same 20-30 cards that "must" go in and it feels very samey. anyone got a spicy commander to build around? also lol golos still isn't banned
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Shrecknet posted:is the historic brawl space a solved format? Absolutely not, and if you keep on putting the same 20-30 cards in... try not doing that? It's impossible to give advice over what to play if you don't give us anything to go on - what do you enjoy, what are those 20-30 cards, why do you think they always need to go in?
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Shrecknet posted:anyone got a spicy commander to build around? Only tried it in standard and not historic but Hidetsugu and Kairi is a hilarious commander. Stick in a bunch of reamination spells, extra turn spells, Breach-type things, plus spot removal, copy spells,. etc, a little bit of sac outlets and amybe some planeswalkers to delay the opponent, and aim to start turn 5 by saccing, copying, or killing your commander, and reaminating it multiple times before smashing them in the face with Breach or something. I should actually try building that for HBrawl, but it definitely feels like I'd be constantly smacked in the face by cards I don't know and can't prep for. I definitely feel you on HBrawl though - I like the concept of it but between needing to learn another 1000-odd cards and interactions, and feeling like every deck needs the same 10 or so ramp artifacts (plus stuff like Wash Away if you're in blue, etc) and many if not most decks can just be combo decks with 'a massive pile of tutors for whatever combo piece plus your commander' being the whole combo, I'm really not that engaged with it.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Absolutely not, and if you keep on putting the same 20-30 cards in... try not doing that? Brainstorm, Time Warp, Swords to Plowshares, Casualties of War, Arcane Signet, Llanowar Elf/Elvish Mystic, Liliana of the Veil, Lightning Bolt... you know, the utterly broken stuff way above the curve that's better than any Saproling synergy stuff you could be doing Personally, I looooove Prison decks. "I'm not happy until you're not happy" is my motto. Ponza, Stax, Barbershop, I love it all. Sadly modern design has excised this lost fourth archetype from magic. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Shrecknet posted:anyone got a spicy commander to build around? Harbin Samut the latest Urabrask
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