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I agree with the sentiment about Nations censoring apps to quell dissent, but uh, in principle, what is preventing a Western devgroup from making a clone (nota literal clone, but one with legally distinct source code, obv) of TikTok, and releasing it right after the ban takes effect, to fill the vacuum?
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Arivia posted:iMessage was introduced in 2011. Back then free SMS was absolutely not a thing in the US, you were paying about 20 cents per message (https://web.archive.org/web/20100519224413/http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/globalText?contentType=Legal%20Notice&textId=122) unless you were enrolled in an unlimited plan (which was different from free, since it was one of the big profit makers for telecoms at the time.) it wasn't free but nobody was actually paying $.20/sms, carriers were already pushing people toward bulk sms/mms plans (they were jacking up the prices of a la carte messaging in part to do that, like your link shows), verizon already had plans for unlimited messaging to other verizon subscribers, etc. etc. sms was already well on its way to ingraining itself into people's habits, and while it wasn't free, it was 100% a part of how americans communicated, and the lack of long distance fees meant it ended up being preferred in some situations.
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Mister Facetious posted:I agree with the sentiment about Nations censoring apps to quell dissent, but uh, in principle, what is preventing a Western devgroup from making a clone (nota literal clone, but one with legally distinct source code, obv) of TikTok, and releasing it right after the ban takes effect, to fill the vacuum? a userbase?
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Arivia posted:iMessage was introduced in 2011. Back then free SMS was absolutely not a thing in the US, you were paying about 20 cents per message (https://web.archive.org/web/20100519224413/http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/globalText?contentType=Legal%20Notice&textId=122) unless you were enrolled in an unlimited plan (which was different from free, since it was one of the big profit makers for telecoms at the time.) Your link is for international texting. The Verizon homepage from that same time shows you could buy talk and text plans starting at $60 for 450 minutes and unlimited texting. Data was a wholly separate add-on for $30 more per month. https://web.archive.org/web/20100519224337/http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/plansingleline.jsp?lid=//global//plans//individual
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sleepwalkers posted:a userbase? Oh, i didn't know tiktok had millions of users before they even had an app. My bad.
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TikTok was lucky. For every success story like that there's a dozen other attempts at making a social network that fell flat. There needs to be the right product at the right time backed by a whole pile of money.
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Mister Facetious posted:Oh, i didn't know tiktok had millions of users before they even had an app. My bad. They literally did, it was called Musical.ly. quote:In June 2016, Musical.ly had over 90 million registered users, up from 10 million a year earlier.[4] By the end of May 2017, the app had reached over 200 million users.[5]
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MrBond posted:I think google photo shared albums are the best way to share photos with a group people if they upload in original quality. Though the last time I tried it if you tried to re-save it back into photos, google photos doesn't do any de-duping before saving. Agree with that. I've been trying to figure out how to have Photos and gphotos play together well on phone. From what I've noticed so far, managing deletions and stuff from the gphotos side will actually propagate those changes to Photos, whereas deleting from Photos won't result in deleting from gphotos. But yeah there are instances where I'm creating new images from gphotos that need to get back to Photos, and live photos can be weird in some cases. Blurb3947 posted:I worked in phone sales into 2013 and both ATT and Verizon had plans with limited messaging and overages. Yeah I know I'm just saying in practice this was around the time when people were moving to plans where you weren't thinking about SMS charges and they were often already unlimited. At least if you were someone with some level of tech savvy or maybe just a millennial in general. This is the the era when Verizon had already rolled out LTE, people were streaming music/podcats/gmaps/waze on their commutes and streaming video on mobile was starting to be not-poo poo as long as you dealt with you data cap. People had individual and group gchats (or whatever it was called at that time) to communicate with friends while at work (since it was inside gmail which pretty much everyone was using). Messaging, whether sms or over the internet was already something that many weren't viewing as a limited resource. v yes this v sleepwalkers posted:it wasn't free but nobody was actually paying $.20/sms, carriers were already pushing people toward bulk sms/mms plans (they were jacking up the prices of a la carte messaging in part to do that, like your link shows), verizon already had plans for unlimited messaging to other verizon subscribers, etc. etc. FCKGW posted:Your link is for international texting. The Verizon homepage from that same time shows you could buy talk and text plans starting at $60 for 450 minutes and unlimited texting.
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Vegetable posted:I really want someone to put together a concise vision where iPhone is an unwalled garden. You get snippets of nebulous benefits in these antitrust suits, like more competition. They want to run emulators and pirate apps. That's all it ever is.
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I don't know how directly tied to the walled garden effect it is, but I really loving hate how every single useful app in existence is now a subscription based model.
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Bottom Liner posted:I don't know how directly tied to the walled garden effect it is, but I really loving hate how every single useful app in existence is now a subscription based model. Nah this is just how everything's moved because it's like this on PCs as well. Adobe wants a subscription fee to use loving Acrobat.
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Aphrodite posted:They want to run emulators and pirate apps. Maybe, but I also use a FOSS weather app because it's the only simple weather app that also has free AccuWeather, and Apple won't even allow apps that use web-based APIs for torrent clients running on other PCs, because they seem to have a stance that anything remotely associated with torrenting is piracy and needs to be squashed.
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Craptacular! posted:and Apple won't even allow apps that use web-based APIs for torrent clients running on other PCs, because they seem to have a stance that anything remotely associated with torrenting is piracy and needs to be squashed. Muh Linux ISO’s!!!!
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njsykora posted:Adobe wants a subscription fee to use loving Acrobat. Just in case it helps anyone, Firefox continues to be great: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/pdf-editor/
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I don't know that I've ever thought about wanting to run a torrent client on my phone.
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Bottom Liner posted:I don't know how directly tied to the walled garden effect it is, but I really loving hate how every single useful app in existence is now a subscription based model. This is not really anything to do with the walled garden, it's a consequence of the race to the bottom in app pricing, and to a lesser extent the expectation that updates are free forever.
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why the gently caress is Apple so anal about letting me save gifs. what a piece of poo poo phone. i can literally save them straight from a source and they won't move
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Craptacular! posted:Maybe, but I also use a FOSS weather app because it's the only simple weather app that also has free AccuWeather, and Apple won't even allow apps that use web-based APIs for torrent clients running on other PCs, because they seem to have a stance that anything remotely associated with torrenting is piracy and needs to be squashed. Some people also beleive that anything to do with bitcoin is crime
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Weird Siri interaction today on the heel of the Siri discussion a few pages back, but honestly I'm not sure if it's a Siri or Apple Watch or iPhone problem. I was on my walk and I had a realization I forgot to do something so I whacked Siri up on my Apple Watch and said "when I get home remind me to XYZ" and Siri added the reminder, but then added "if you want notifications you have to enable location in the reminders app" or something like that. I checked on my phone, which I assume is where this has to be done, but in Settings: - Reminders doesn't have any setting for location - Priv/Sec -> Reminders doesn't have any location settings, it just says "apps that have requested access to your reminders will appear here" - Priv/Sec -> Location Services doesn't list Reminders, AND - Priv/Sec -> Location Services -> System Services doesn't say anything about reminders. Maybe this is a "7am pre-coffee" thing and I'm missing something obvious or literally just skimmed past Reminders making all the above false, but I'm not sure where I'm supposed to enable this lol Anyway I 100% did forget about the reminder without the notification and posting this made me remember to do the thing, so I guess that's one way to achieve the same result.
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some kinda jackal posted:- Priv/Sec -> Location Services doesn't list Reminders
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Just tried that, I am legit confused right now. In fact, even on my iPhone when I added a dummy "remind me to do work when i get to work", It reminded me to enable location and when I clicked on the button it gave me, there was no Reminders listed. 
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Boris Galerkin posted:Free SMS has been a thing since forever in the US. I understand that in the way before times it costed Europeans to send SMS to people from other countries, which is very common especially among students. It would be like if Americans had to pay extra to SMS someone with a different area code, which is also very common. So people defaulted to using SMS. I am here to remind everyone that Palm WebOS actually did the one place to message people, and you could toggle which app to message them with. If only Rubinstein wasn’t obsessed with tiny keyboards and also if only they ran a competent business and marketing operation. Rip. Also, carriers were charging $0.20 a text for people who didn’t sign up for unlimited plans up until about 2012, 2013 when they (finally) changed plans to only include unlimited texting. Duckman2008 fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Off topic for the current discussion in the thread, but fellow leather case enjoyers may like that Bullstrap now offers a closed bottom variant of their Sienna colored cases for iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. https://bullstrap.co/products/the-contemporary-magsafe-case-sienna?variant=44083921486018
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some kinda jackal posted:In fact, even on my iPhone when I added a dummy "remind me to do work when i get to work", It reminded me to enable location and when I clicked on the button it gave me, there was no Reminders listed.
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Branch Nvidian posted:Off topic for the current discussion in the thread, but fellow leather case enjoyers may like that Bullstrap now offers a closed bottom variant of their Sienna colored cases for iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. Hell yea
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Branch Nvidian posted:Off topic for the current discussion in the thread, but fellow leather case enjoyers may like that Bullstrap now offers a closed bottom variant of their Sienna colored cases for iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. I really want to see one of these in person before I dropped that kinda cash on one.
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Duckman2008 posted:Also, carriers were charging $0.20 a text for people who didn’t sign up for unlimited plans up until about 2012, 2013 when they (finally) changed plans to only include unlimited texting. carriers were technically charging that for a la carte messaging, but people were absolutely not spending $.20/text. bulk messaging plans existed as far back as like 2005, with various flavors of "unlimited" messaging plans popping up as early as 2007 iirc. and as of 2011, att dropped bulk plans entirely, so a little earlier than that timeframe
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MarcusSA posted:I really want to see one of these in person before I dropped that kinda cash on one.
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They’re the best leather case you’ll ever buy for an iPhone, and they have a lifetime warranty that includes physical damage.
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goblin week posted:Some people also beleive that anything to do with bitcoin is crime And those people are correct.
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Branch Nvidian posted:They’re the best leather case you’ll ever buy for an iPhone, and they have a lifetime warranty that includes physical damage. Well $100 later I sure hope so!
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goblin week posted:Some people also beleive that anything to do with bitcoin is crime 
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MarcusSA posted:Well $100 later I sure hope so! You'll be happy with it.
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goblin week posted:why the gently caress is Apple so anal about letting me save gifs. what a piece of poo poo phone. i can literally save them straight from a source and they won't move It saves gifs, it's just really poo poo at running them correctly without closing and reopening discord/whatever app (but mostly discord) you upload them to. Or more likely, it's Discord that's poo poo. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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MarcusSA posted:Well $100 later I sure hope so! Congrats on buying the best leather case you'll ever use. I've used their cases on an iPhone 12 mini, 13 Pro, 14 Pro, and 15 Pro Max in multiple colors. I have two of their Apple Watch bands. My dad subsequently bought himself a phone case, an iPad case, and their new laptop sleeve. My mother has two cases for her phone in different colors. We're absolutely sold on their product quality. e: lmao jesus christ, since we bought everything through my account I can see that as a family we've bought $1,127 worth of product from them. Branch Nvidian fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Mister Facetious posted:It saves gifs, it's just really poo poo at running them correctly without closing and reopening discord/whatever app (but mostly discord) you upload them to. Discord is determined to make their iOS app worse and worse.
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Aphrodite posted:Discord is determined to make their iOS app worse and worse. What do you mean you don't want a gift button right between the text box and the attachment button???
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goblin week posted:Some people also beleive that anything to do with bitcoin is crime Apple doesn't, so I'm not sure that's relevant. Either way, Apple does a lot of bad things that also Samsung often-but-not-always does and I'm not sure how they've gone this long without the ability to set a default SMS app or let third party watches access notification data. With wearables the limited amount of access other brands of watches that Apple practices combined with Apple and Samsung both giving their watches features that only work on their phones and no other has created an industry where if you want to make a watch your best bet is to first be a successful smartphone manufacturer, which is a far more cut-throat business with less room for innovation than wearables. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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Branch Nvidian posted:Congrats on buying the best leather case you'll ever use. I've used their cases on an iPhone 12 mini, 13 Pro, 14 Pro, and 15 Pro Max in multiple colors. I have two of their Apple Watch bands. My dad subsequently bought himself a phone case, an iPad case, and their new laptop sleeve. My mother has two cases for her phone in different colors. Are they that much better than Andar? My old case was a Saddleback and they seem to have stopped making them, so I went with Andar because it was closed-design.
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