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bedpan posted:This is the one I roll around in my head a lot. I live in Portland, Oregon so homelessness is a visible thing and I know that I would be joining the people on the streets if I lost my job and/or had a major health event. Homeless already are executed on the street occasionally by the police. Been happening forever and get news coverage. They are moments where the state is directly reminding the wage-workers what awaits them if they don't keep producing profits for the ownership class, like you said, a problem that fundamentally cannot be solved in a capitalist economic system. Street execution by cops isn't an aberration, it's a necessity. Was it Seattle that recently adopted an actual medieval penal code where homeless people have been shuffled further and further outside of city limits, where you get like. Ostracized zip code by zip code until it's Out of sight, out of mind.
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Ronwayne posted:As someone who is constantly on the edge of homelessness, and is in a place where the cops are loving everywhere on constant patrol due to the immigrant crises, I keep wondering how long until there's just open air camps the homeless are not permitted to leave, like that one star trek episode. I keep wondering when Capital is just going to return them/(me This is exactly where I see this stuff going. When asked to decide between cruelty and compassion people will find a way to talk themselves into cruelty every time Fortaleza posted:The city I love dearly is being strangled by the powers that be and you know what? I don't like it Yeah it’s really sad. I’m curious to see how the charter reform goes. Lots of interesting stuff in it, so off course Mingus the dingus is carrying water for PBA and has proposed a much worse version so that’ll be interesting
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HashtagGirlboss posted:This is exactly where I see this stuff going. When asked to decide between cruelty and compassion people will find a way to talk themselves into cruelty every time Gloating about having a better voting system is one of the perks of living here I'm looking forward to geeking out over ranked choice STV and gloating even harder
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Fortaleza posted:Gloating about having a better voting system is one of the perks of living here I'm looking forward to geeking out over ranked choice STV and gloating even harder The multi member districts is actually the most interesting part of it for me Part of going from all city commissioners being elected at large to a district system is that who draws the districts and how are they manipulated to give Portland an even more conservative city government But the top three from each district is kind of fascinating to me. If nothing else, it’s going to result in a far more diverse range of voices, for better and worse
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In Training posted:Homeless already are executed on the street occasionally by the police. Been happening forever and get news coverage. They are moments where the state is directly reminding the wage-workers what awaits them if they don't keep producing profits for the ownership class, like you said, a problem that fundamentally cannot be solved in a capitalist economic system. Street execution by cops isn't an aberration, it's a necessity. So how many Squid Games/Hostel poo poo for the homeless do you think the American ruling class is operating right now? I’d say at least 3
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thalweg posted:Wait that's why that sculpture is there? When i visited for the first time it was basically introduced to me as a whimsical landmark. What the gently caress lol thalweg posted:Wait that's why that sculpture is there? When i visited for the first time it was basically introduced to me as a whimsical landmark. What the gently caress lol No way, jfc. But also, of course. 
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One way to keep the poors poor is to keep them illiterate https://www.thinkimpact.com/literacy-statistics/#:~:text=21%25%20of%20adults%20in%20the,were%20born%20outside%20the%20US. 54% of Americans are more illiterate than 6th graders, and 21% aren’t even literate at all  Barbarous cracker nation always astounds me with the cruelty
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bedpan posted:This is the one I roll around in my head a lot. I live in Portland, Oregon so homelessness is a visible thing and I know that I would be joining the people on the streets if I lost my job and/or had a major health event. It is also humorous how little Wheeler and most of the city care or even attempt to their jobs. It the last 13 years, the Portland city government specifically has become a hollow shell of a government that exists to “administer” the city not improve overwhelming issues in it. I would care it to the Vichy but they were probably more proactive. There is also the other big issue that is coming from this is Fentanyl, which seems mysteriously parallel to the crack/meth waves of years past.
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In Training posted:Homeless already are executed on the street occasionally by the police. Been happening forever and get news coverage. They are moments where the state is directly reminding the wage-workers what awaits them if they don't keep producing profits for the ownership class, like you said, a problem that fundamentally cannot be solved in a capitalist economic system. Street execution by cops isn't an aberration, it's a necessity. I should clarify that by street executions, I mean a formal program to literally massacre the homeless versus the current strategy of maneuvering the homeless into a position where they are more likely to have encounters with the police and thus, be more likely to be extrajudicially executed. I don't think we will see a program to conduct genocide on the homeless, at least not yet. Things are not bad enough for that to happen. In other words, there is still a lot of room for liberals to make life for the homeless even worse, even more miserable, even more degrading, and even more precarious. However, if or when it is actually seriously floated to "solve" the homeless crisis by directly killing the homeless, I do entirely expect the liberals to support such a program. In Training posted:Was it Seattle that recently adopted an actual medieval penal code where homeless people have been shuffled further and further outside of city limits, where you get like. Ostracized zip code by zip code until it's Out of sight, out of mind. Something like this seems more likely: increasing measures to criminalize vagrancy/homelessness, to the point that homelessness to incarceration is a direct pipeline that doesn't have an escape, like the end of an imposed sentence. Incarceration would be a permanent condition until the person would be able to post a vagrancy bond "proving" their income or means. That this would be something essentially impossible to achieve while incarcerated is not an oversight. Something like this operated in the South as a way to guarantee a population of incarcerated people who could be exploited for their labor.
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Ardennes posted:It is also humorous how little Wheeler and most of the city care or even attempt to their jobs. This is modern managerialist thinking. They are there to occupy the titled positions, to accumulate prestige and honors, and to be professional, technocratic functionaries. Nowhere in the position are expectations to actually do anything to reform the system or alleviate the problems. Modern, neoliberal thinking has almost entirely stripped from government any ability to act proactively or reactively. If you want to change the world, you are supposed to start/join a corporation of some sort, not go into government.
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bedpan posted:This is modern managerialist thinking. They are there to occupy the titled positions, to accumulate prestige and honors, and to be professional, technocratic functionaries. It is more striking perhaps in Portland where the city itself is simply falling apart. It is clear the material reality doesn’t matter (to the upper middle class) as long as property values remain stable. For the empire to work, it needs cheap energy/low inflation/high asset values and a way to enforce its way with violence.
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Ardennes posted:It is more striking perhaps in Portland where the city itself is simply falling apart. It is clear the material reality doesn’t matter (to the upper middle class) as long as property values remain stable. The material reality of the upper-middle classes and up very clearly matters to those same classes. The material reality of everyone else in the system, however, is of no moment whatsoever. Interestingly, public goods apparently do not factor into the considerations of material reality. The degradation of the surrounding world is irrelevant as long as, property values continue to rise. Although from the hostility people express towards public toilets, benches, and trash cans, it seems the material reality of the upper-middle classes and up is in fact served by the degradation of the city and the surrounding world. Ardennes posted:For the empire to work, it needs cheap energy/low inflation/high asset values and a way to enforce its way with violence. Does anyone care about the empire "working?" Even cheap energy and low inflation fall to the overriding importance of high and growing asset valuations. If energy costs and inflation triple, how is that of any interest at all to the landholder who's asset valuations have kept pace and who can continue to rely on the expenses of the security services continuing to be met and met by levies on the wealth of the community as a whole, and not just those who benefit the most? I guess my point is that there exists, still, quite a lot of room for things to get nastier, more grasping, and more evil and for the empire to remain. bedpan has issued a correction as of 20:49 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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bedpan posted:Does anyone care about the empire "working?" Even cheap energy and low inflation fall to the overriding importance of high and growing asset valuations. If energy costs and inflation triple, how is that of any interest at all to the landholder who's asset valuations have kept pace and who can continue to rely on the expenses of the security services continuing to be met and met by levies on the wealth of the community as a whole, and not just those who benefit the most? The power of no empire is infinite and it is the same for the United States, higher rates are required to continue to strength the USD and that eventually places pressure on all other asset classes. They would prefer if values spiraled up forever but the reality is that requires control over energy markets. There is plenty of room still…but doesn’t mean things aren’t going sideways in a big way. It just American society is isolated from the reality of events that are transpiring.
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bedpan posted:The material reality of the upper-middle classes and up very clearly matters to those same classes. The material reality of everyone else in the system, however, is of no moment whatsoever. It’s absolutely true that the degradation is not just serving these interests but is intentional. This is where local media comes into it, highlighting every aspect of decay and whipping up public fervor in support of the worst solutions. Police strikes that do little to actually go after crime but serve to make the public fearful. Continuous fear mongering and it’s immediately perceptible because it’s all out in the open. There are kinder more humane ways to solve these problems that are nearly impossible because they conflict with the central premise of the US economy. But, it certainly serves the vested interests agenda to let the problem fester as publicly as possible until police state crackdowns and incarceration are seen as just common sense solutions.
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https://twitter.com/tedwheeler/status/1582858762955632640 did this get posted yet? what the gently caress is going on in this city e: sorry this probably looks mostly normal if you don't have Roddy Piper's glasses on loan. why is the mayor advertising an event giving away a limited number of anti-theft vehicle clubs. (unless thats just a name for those steering wheel bars? idk) JamesKPolk has issued a correction as of 23:28 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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This is the Official CSPAM Portland thread now. Don't forget to vote to remove "slavery and indentured servitude is totally OK" from the state constitution finally lol
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JamesKPolk posted:https://twitter.com/tedwheeler/status/1582858762955632640 Catalytic converter theft is all over the news. It’s constant. People crawling under cars and cutting them out in the middle of the night to sell for the metals. It’s kind of like people stripping vacant buildings for the copper wire. How prevalent is it actually in the grand scheme of things? I don’t know, because I haven’t seen any hard numbers, just anecdotal accounts. Like porch pirates, it could be a real endemic, or it could be mostly a media driven frenzy. There was a guy who got shot while doing it last winter or the winter before, which is very sad I am not really sure how etching the catalytic converter prevents it from being cut out and sold tho
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The best part of the catalytic converter crisis is it was orchestrated by a series of people in Lake Oswego, the incredibly white and wealthy suburb of Portland where they were shipping thousands and thousands of them overseas, like 22 million worth of them. And it wasn't random theft by the unhoused or the media narrative of string out tweakers spontaneously stealing them because they can't control themselves, it was an organized crime ring lead by a wealthy rear end white dude.
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My family in the suburbs says they dont have a homelessness problem in their community, thats just in the city. It's not true of course, it used to be that if you traveled everywhere by car, from gated neighborhood to corporate office too separated by traffic and distance to be traversable, you would never see it if you didn't want to. Lately I think they simply pretend not to see all the tents in the thin pockets of trees between their subdivisions.
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:The best part of the catalytic converter crisis is it was orchestrated by a series of people in Lake Oswego, the incredibly white and wealthy suburb of Portland where they were shipping thousands and thousands of them overseas, like 22 million worth of them. Lake Oswego also has a zero tolerance policy not only against camping but anyone that “doesn’t look right.” Portland’s richer suburbs have been isolated from the issue because they have militant police forces there to make sure it isn’t their problem. ——— That said, it isn’t really just the Portland metro. San Francisco has clearly been shipping their homeless en masse to Oakland.
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Blockade posted:My family in the suburbs says they dont have a homelessness problem in their community, thats just in the city. It's not true of course, it used to be that if you traveled everywhere by car, from gated neighborhood to corporate office too separated by traffic and distance to be traversable, you would never see it if you didn't want to. Lately I think they simply pretend not to see all the tents in the thin pockets of trees between their subdivisions. Where is this at? One thing we hear less about is homelessness outside of the open crisis on the west coast and places like NYC. I know from visiting family that there’s a pretty robust population of homeless in Atlanta area and in the city it’s pretty visible along the highway corridors but the suburbs are a lot less dense and more wooded so I think it stays more out of sight.
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Atrocious Joe posted:been getting really into Chicago cop twitter to drive myself crazy it's always la cops this and ny cops that but we here in chicago really do have some of the evilest pigs on the planet
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:it's always la cops this and ny cops that but we here in chicago really do have some of the evilest pigs on the planet its really something to be considered with tons of evidence to back it to be the worst cops
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Where is this at? One thing we hear less about is homelessness outside of the open crisis on the west coast and places like NYC. I know from visiting family that there’s a pretty robust population of homeless in Atlanta area and in the city it’s pretty visible along the highway corridors but the suburbs are a lot less dense and more wooded so I think it stays more out of sight. Chicagoland
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Blockade posted:Chicagoland Last time I was that way was 2008 (Naperville for work) and I want to say I remember seeing plenty of homeless people but we went all over the area including all the way to Gary, IN so I could be misremembering Unrelated let me introduce you to the man who is probably going to replace Portland’s only halfway decent city commissioner! https://twitter.com/reneforportland/status/1582409651458801666
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Here we go! https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1583535853078712320 Article is paywalled but the summary from their main pages says quote:Unhoused people could be arrested or cited during tent sweeps if they refuse to go to sanctioned camping sites. Opb and willie week have free articles but neither mention that tidbit which I think is the money
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ive noticed that every so often someone who claims to have been advocates for homeless complaining about the "homeless industrial complex" and the cyclical nature of homelessness policies that just see people constantly sheltered then ending up back on the street. this critique seems fair enough but their conclusion seems to be Drug War+ or police smashing skulls and dismiss the fantasy of things like providing housing for everyone.MLSM posted:Barbarous cracker nation always astounds me with the cruelty every aspect of american society seems designed to be cruel, almost without exception
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Atrocious Joe posted:If they don't go to the Yes. Apparently with some sort of diversion or other program I guess? Not sure how that all works when we don’t have housing but I imagine it’s a second chance to agree to go to the internment camps Open question if Multnomah County (I imagine they’ll want to put the sanctioned camps outside city proper) or DA and county court system will be on board. We already have a huge public defender crisis
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We're always hearing from Red America about the radical left in blue states. Seriously? There are actual radicals and progressives, but corpo Dems who love real estate investment, the Chamber of Commerce and capitalist big dogs outnumber them significantly where it counts. And they have the equity and cash on hand to make sure nothing really gets solved. I've had Seattle liberals tell me with perfect smiles that the homeless should just be killed, only half-joking really. And the city really is divided between people who own homes and renters, and the homeowners are as reactionary as they come when it comes to housing people anywhere near them. Republican-dominated states like to pretend there's some lockstep leftwing thing happening in places like Seattle, but rich people and people with means run these cities just like anywhere else, even if they talk big game about LGBTQ and minority rights, about inclusivity, etc. These are just platitudes. If you want to see hate in Seattle bring up any left-wing politician or activist or even pragmatic solution at North Seattle neighborhood meetings lol. Love Rat has issued a correction as of 22:24 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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