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 Here we go again! Russell T Davies is back at the helm of Doctor Who, and what's this? David Tennant is back too? Why, it's a small subset of fans' dream come true! After Chris Chibnall's run, frankly, anything would have to be better. Now we wait for...hold up, November 2023? You're telling me that, after a calendar year with only three new episodes, I have to wait OVER A YEAR for three (probably four) more episodes? What is this, Sherlock? Well, it could be worse. (Actually, it is much, much worse.) Now, as we wait for the Doctor to return to our The previous thread can be found here. Now, the formalities. NO SPOILERS We have a designated spoiler thread that should be getting some traction now with actual leaks coming out. If you think it's a spoiler, don't post it in this thread! WHERE DO I START? You know what? I don't know. We're in a weird spot between showrunners, and it's hard to say where to start from in the current series. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes. The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are: First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO? BritBox is the place to watch almost every episode of the original series. In addition, you're in luck if you're an American, as you can watch the original run of Doctor Who on honest-to-goodness TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations)! For the current run (for now): ON TELEVISION UK - BBC One (first run), W USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations Canada - CTV Sci-Fi Channel Australia - ABC TV Plus (first run), ABC ME STREAMING UK - BBC iPlayer, Virgin TV Go USA - Max Canada - Crave Australia - ABC iView, Stan, BritBox SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs? Just for the bonus features alone. THE ALL-NEW GUIDE TO BIG FINISH There are literally THOUSANDS of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. In previous threads, I would pour over all the individual lines and describe them. With the great restructure of Big Finish lines, though, I have to adapt. So, here are some bullet points: -Doctors 1-12 have their own individual lines now, although obviously the first three Doctors are not played by Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee. Here's a handy guide: if it's current series Doctor Who, "Adventures" means it's the actual actors, while "Chronicles" means it's not. -The Companion Chronicles & the Early Adventures generally do not feature the Doctor, and some of them are essentially audiobooks with sound effects. Check the cast list if you want to know which is which. -If you have ever asked "what about <random character x>?", boy are you in luck! There are so many spin-offs featuring characters both familiar and unfamiliar that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a series that makes you say "THEY got a series?" Some are good, some are bad, most are unremarkable. -Everyone has a taste, so don't rely on other people's opinions. For example, I don't care for or about Charlotte Pollard and her spin-off, but some people do! Some crazy people enjoy the story Nekromanteia - you do you! THE DISCORD Here it is. The future is now! FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! Someone asked what Torchwood was, which led to... Stormageddon posted:Torchwood? More like Crotchwood. https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1586330271141564416 Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 23, 2023 |
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Oct 29, 2022 07:59
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You’ve redecorated! I don’t like it.  Well you need to change the ‘Where can I watch?’ Section.
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Oct 29, 2022 08:03
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The_Doctor posted:You’ve redecorated! I don’t like it. I put a (for now) on it, because it's accurate....for now.
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Oct 29, 2022 08:05
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Clara is the best companion, also look forward to Russell's return.
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Oct 29, 2022 08:06
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Continueing discussion from previous regeneration of this thread:fractalairduct posted:I don't think there are any bad episodes in season 4. (Unless you count Voyage of the Damned as part of that season). You know, I'd actually not argue with that, or at least not too strenuously! Wikipedia reckons Voyage of the Damned does belong with that season, but I personally always kind of associate specials with the season before them more than the season after them, and wikipedia is essentially just Some rear end in a top hat we dont need to listen to. I will say I found The Unicorn and The Wasp to be really disappointing, but I'd need to rewatch it to remember if its because its actually bad or if its just a bit meh and I didnt like it.
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Oct 29, 2022 10:17
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The Unicorn and the Wasp is pretty mediocre apart from the incredible charades scene, which does a LOT of heavy lifting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J54gML6eTCk
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Oct 29, 2022 10:28
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SiKboy posted:Continueing discussion from previous regeneration of this thread: I think their logic comes from the fact that the specials are usually bundled in with the season that follows them on DVD releases and the like.
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Oct 29, 2022 10:36
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The Unicorn and the Wasp isn't great but if it's the worst episode in a season it's a pretty good season. Unlike Flux, which I recently finished watching. The finale ended up better than I expected, partly because my expectations were very low and partly because it jettisoned the Timeless Child plotline and just had a bunch of dumb action. As a whole season it might be my favourite of Chibnall's era, which should be read as a condemnation of the others than as actual praise.
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Oct 29, 2022 10:41
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Cleretic posted:I think their logic comes from the fact that the specials are usually bundled in with the season that follows them on DVD releases and the like. If I know wikipedia, and I absolutely dont, there are probably pages and pages of arguement somewhere between a handful of people who reverted changes about this one minor issue back and forth multiple times a day for years before the rest of the editors threw up their hands and laid down a ruling about it. Personally I'd be more inclined to "which seasons production budget did they come out of?" rather than the DVD release, but I dont if that information is available or not. And in any case, I'm more basing my opinion on gut feeling than anything else. A lot of the seasonal specials feel more like coda to the previous season than they do a preamble to the next one.
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Oct 29, 2022 10:45
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Iplayer has specials as part of the season before them, so Christmas Invasion is series 1, Voyage is series 3, and the final Tennant specials are listed at the end of series 4.
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Oct 29, 2022 10:58
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For me they were at the end of the year so they were at the end of the season 
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Oct 29, 2022 11:05
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From the previous thread:Random Stranger posted:The way it worked is during one of the regenerations, the Doctor regenerated into two Doctors. That's what happens when Time Lords are cut in half. Don't fly the TARDIS behind a log truck, is what I'm saying.
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Oct 29, 2022 11:10
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Worth mentioning that Paul McGann is still a handsome bastard.
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Oct 29, 2022 11:24
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I wish we had more multi-Doctor EPs that weren't specials.
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Oct 29, 2022 11:28
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I want to preface this post by saying I'm not scolding anyone or calling anybody out. When I say that I don't know what to do with what I'm about to write, I mean it. I can see the queerbaiting reading of Power of the Doctor becoming a "thing," and I have mixed feelings. Maybe Chibnall fully thought through what he was doing, and I wish I could believe that, but he's been inconsistent in writing Thirteen's emotional openness and awkwardness throughout the run. Being critical of him for his handling is entirely fair, and from a Doyleist perspective, "queerbaiting" may be an accurate term. Personally, I'm more inclined to suspect that this is Chibnall rebuking RTD for Ten/Rose in much the same way Moffat rebuked RTD for Donna's memory wipe, but that doesn't exactly make him look any better. From a Watsonian perspective, though, I think the matter is more complex. Thirteen is pretty open and straightforward when she talks with Yaz about things in the specials. And while she's certainly queer and she certainly has feelings for Yaz, at the same time, her expressed preferences (which match with some of her other incarnations) are much closer to asexual than anything else. So we have a 'ship where one partner identifies as somewhere in the bi/queer/gay part of the spectrum, and the other partner identifies as ace. Suggesting that the ace partner and the queer partner should have hugged or kissed or displayed some form of sexual attraction before parting at the end of Power of the Doctor sounds to me like it's disrespecting the very clear "no" that the Doctor expressed. The ending and the performances we got on screen definitely communicate the love between these two people, and I think Yaz's willingness to go without a token of physical affection can be read as part of that expression even if the writer may have been completely oblivious to the nuances of what he was writing. Going after Chibnall for queerbaiting therefore seems entirely fair to me, but I think Yaz's behavior was exemplary in this situation and that the Doctor's preferences are equally worthy of respect. At least within the fiction, I have no doubt from the performances about how Yaz and the Doctor feel about one another, and am delighted by Yaz's decision not to ask for physical affection from the Doctor. It would have been so easy to do otherwise, even an unscripted hug, and while the refusal leaves unresolved tension behind, the assumption that it must be sexual tension for both of them threatens to erase the ace aspects of the Doctor, aspects that have been around for a long time and which were far more respected in the old show than the new one (even if the showrunners didn't recognize or care about asexuality as a human preference at all). It's troubling, because I don't want to be policing people's language ITT or making anyone feel bad or trying to pit one aspect of queerness against another. But after seeing this, I can't unsee it, so I'm offering it to others here as food for thought.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:14
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From the last thread:Cleretic posted:I've got a friend who did, and while he's coming back around now, it was for the sort of simple, understandable reason I could never fully refute: just that he likes Doctor Who for being at its core a friendly show about a friendly person, and he didn't think that felt like what he'd get from Peter Capaldi. I've gotta disagree. There's a difference between Twelve STARTING as not particularly warm or kind, and where the character ended up. There's a reason the finale (before the Xmas special) has the big emotional climax being him entreating the Masters to be kind. That the special has the regeneration be preceded by him telling his next self to 'always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind'. The whole point of that run is the Doctor coming to terms with what he thinks he is and what he wants to be.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:30
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SecretOfSteel posted:Worth mentioning that Paul McGann is still a handsome bastard. Eric Roberts ain't half bad either 
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Oct 29, 2022 16:40
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Infinitum posted:I wish we had more multi-Doctor EPs that weren't specials. I mean, the only one that this isn't true of, really, is the Two Doctors, right? I suppose The Three Doctors but that was explicitly for the tenth, and very much has the feel of a special event.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:43
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While that's certainly his character arc, I don't think the Twelfth Doctor starts out as "unkind" so much as "actively horrible, borderline cruel". The sequence where he harasses the homeless man is, honestly, incredibly unlikable. As is his treatment of that doomed soldier in Into The Dalek -- and those are just the two that have stuck in my memory.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:44
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Open Source Idiom posted:While that's certainly his character arc, I don't think the Twelfth Doctor starts out as "unkind" so much as "actively horrible, borderline cruel". The sequence where he harasses the homeless man is, honestly, incredibly unlikable. As is his treatment of that doomed soldier in Into The Dalek -- and those are just the two that have stuck in my memory. Capaldi was definitely written as "the rear end in a top hat Doctor" at first but I think his final season pulled away from that, and not as intentional character growth. It feels more like Moffat getting the response to Capaldi and deciding to tone it down a lot.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:17
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Yeah the way he treated that soldier in the Dalek episode was one of the last straws for me too, though I had begun to get really tired of all the meaningless death in the show. Like looking back on it, the one with 10 and Sarah Jane, they establish that the alien teachers were eating students that didn't have immediate families, and then at the end they eat all the human teachers just because. The Doctor never even seems aware of this, and the resolution is just "yay they blew up the school" with not a care made for the dozens of people who died. Just felt off to me.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:38
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Random Stranger posted:Capaldi was definitely written as "the rear end in a top hat Doctor" at first but I think his final season pulled away from that, and not as intentional character growth. It feels more like Moffat getting the response to Capaldi and deciding to tone it down a lot. I think it's both. There's a distinct redirection between seasons towards more of a daggy dad midwife crisis characterisation, but his first season does see a slight softening starting from the ending to the mummy story. He's not so much in the next two stories though, so I don't think the characterisation is quite as pronounced before the finale comes along. But, I dunno, I feel like it's there.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:54
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Narsham posted:
It's pretty good food for thought! But I gotta say I had not perceived this incarnation of the Doctor as asexual and I feel like if we were meant to think so, it might've been more underlined? (I'll admit that most of Chibnall's era hasn't been memorable to me, so I might just have forgotten all of it) but I did think that Yaz's emotions were foregrounded. A person coming to terms that they're not only queer but they're in love with a partially-distant alien felt like a pretty amazing emotional plot for the show and I thought it was barely resolved or adressed. It almost felt like the Yaz stuff in the previous episodes didn't happen (like the Timeless Children stuff!).
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Oct 29, 2022 17:57
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Nice group photo of all the old companions! https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1586330271141564416?t=OO0E_BEm0yIR2OtYbcjqEA&s=19
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Oct 29, 2022 18:19
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Ah the bane of any group shot - Ian and Jo thought it was a different camera!
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Oct 29, 2022 19:01
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Forktoss posted:Nice group photo of all the old companions! Throw that at the top of the OP
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Oct 29, 2022 19:04
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So is Fourteen now technically a Disney Princess?
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Oct 29, 2022 20:27
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Probably not, but the Xenomorphs definitely are.
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Oct 29, 2022 20:49
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Oh poo poo, what if a Time Lord got implanted by a facehugger
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Oct 29, 2022 21:26
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Thanks for the discord plug! I keep neglecting the channel (I'm Cloudberry on there), I really ought to do more with it... I'm extremely torn on the Tennant thing, but I have faith RTD will spin something interesting out of it. And... will he include any audio companions in the 60th?! One can dream...
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Oct 29, 2022 21:40
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Rhyno posted:Oh poo poo, what if a Time Lord got implanted by a facehugger 
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Oct 29, 2022 21:43
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I SAID A TIME LORD
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Oct 29, 2022 21:43
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Rhyno posted:I SAID A TIME LORD Sorry sorry I'm trying to fix it! 
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Oct 29, 2022 21:47
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Rhyno posted:Oh poo poo, what if a Time Lord got implanted by a facehugger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otJ2rXMuLno&t=90s
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Oct 29, 2022 22:05
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Jerusalem posted:Sorry sorry I'm trying to fix it! that's better bravo sir i do say brah-VHO
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Oct 29, 2022 22:09
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Random Stranger posted:Capaldi was definitely written as "the rear end in a top hat Doctor" at first but I think his final season pulled away from that, and not as intentional character growth. It feels more like Moffat getting the response to Capaldi and deciding to tone it down a lot. I think this is memory tricking people. The third episode of his first season is the Robin Hood one, which ends with that speech pointing out how the Doctor is basically Robin, a person of privilege moved to action by compassion for others. Even the first episode has that ending with him begging Clara to see him and still be his friend. And the finale of that season has the opening with the lava and the TARDIS keys. The following season starts with the Davros 2 parter, which boils down to the Doctor being willing to save even his worst enemy because he believes in compassion, kindness and mercy.
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Oct 29, 2022 22:32
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Gaz-L posted:Even the first episode has that ending with him begging Clara to see him and still be his friend. That scene's towards the start of the episode, and it (the scene) ends with Clara saying that she doesn't know if he's good or not. At the end of the episode she, unprompted, says she still doesn't know the answer to the Doctor's question, but she says she believes he'll try to be one anyway. Gaz-L posted:The third episode of his first season is the Robin Hood one, which ends with that speech pointing out how the Doctor is basically Robin, a person of privilege moved to action by compassion for others. During which both the Doctor and Robin explicitly reject the idea that they're heroes, and instead assert that they're trying to be good despite an essential arseholishness. My point being, the question of the Doctor's morality is very much in doubt throughout the season.
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Oct 29, 2022 22:58
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Twelfth Doctor's theme is literally called "Am I A Good Man?" Compare that to Eleven's "I Am The Doctor"
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He might believe in kindness, compassion and mercy, but he still acts like an abusive rear end in a top hat to people for no reason. That to me was the offputting thing about Twelve - he's a bully, insulting and belittling even people who've done nothing wrong and are on his side simply because he thinks they're beneath him intellectually. If someone had punched him in the face after he gave them poo poo, he would have deserved it.
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