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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think the other thread will appreciate your very factual unbiased sources a lot more Elsewhere online, HRW are too mean to Ukraine. Here, they are just too mean to the Russian Army. A bunch of dumbasses online think civilians should just loving deal with land mines. It is extremely stupid and bankrupt.
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Weka posted:I am open to the idea of Russian indiscriminate use of anti-personal mines but I am unaware of any evidence. You didn't read the report about how landmines were being used in ways that harm civilians, including boobytrapping urban areas? Deploying anti-personnel mines into urban areas is pretty indiscriminate. I don't have a similar issue when Russia or Ukraine use anti-tank mines along specific routes of advance. Those don't detonate when a kid touches them, and placing mines along the route of an armored advance or to cover a withdrawal, like from Kherson, is much more defensible. E: uh oh, quote is not edit. The dreaded double-snipe. Indiscriminate posting.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:22
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mlmp08 posted:Cool, do you think they're making up the whole thing, and the civilian victims of anti-pesonnel mine use are all liars? I think your source is poo poo. It's sloppy. It points to dead links supposedly less than a year old. My point is the same point I always make. The evidence you post is almost always garbage.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:26
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NGOs have always been used to launder government propaganda. poo poo, they're doing it right now.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:27
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:I think your source is poo poo. It's sloppy. It points to dead links supposedly less than a year old. My point is the same point I always make. The evidence you post is almost always garbage. Thank you, land mine defender. But no matter how hard you post, I remain generally opposed anti-personnel landmines. If you think they’re a good idea, you can think that!
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Feb 3, 2023 01:29
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Regarde Aduck posted:They know exactly what they are doing which is why their latest tank is called panther. Just kinda being on the nose about it. Yeah... One reason I am looking for good book recommendations is that I just spent 2x900 pages on The Thirty Years War: Europe's Tragedy (Peter H. Wilson) and The Making of the English Working Class (E. P. Thompson) both of which left me unsatisfied in their, perhaps?? very English refusal to apply broader patterns or theories to their works
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Feb 3, 2023 01:30
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Taping a picture of a landmine over my Vladimir Putin body pillow.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:44
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Al-Saqr posted:looks like the russians arent gonna try any fancy side offensives and are simply gonna try to beak open the donbas walnut that theyve spent months slowly cracking, should be interesting to see if their grinding strategy worked at all or not. i just hope we get some updated map gifs
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Feb 3, 2023 01:51
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah, pretty sure neither Ukraine nor Russia has any real urge to take these specific recommendations to heart.  whataboutism detected
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Feb 3, 2023 02:02
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mlmp08 posted:Thank you, land mine defender. But no matter how hard you post, I remain generally opposed anti-personnel landmines. this is why people hate you
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Feb 3, 2023 02:04
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"wow even western institutions are finally admitting ukraine are making violations" "actually russia does it too and it's even worse. here is a garbage source. i'm going to spend the next 20 pages shidding and farding all over the place"
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Feb 3, 2023 02:08
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a wise man said landmines were the perfect soldiers
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Feb 3, 2023 02:09
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landmines are pointless vs russia as their human wave tactics just absorb all the casualties and keep moving forward
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Feb 3, 2023 02:12
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crepeface posted:this is why people hate you I am against the employment of anti-personnel landmines. If someone's instinct is to defend their employment, that's their problem. Like drat, you are mad because of a conversation that started with me pointing out Ukraine's usage of them and violation of their own ban agreements?
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Feb 3, 2023 02:13
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orc toes avoid landmines
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Feb 3, 2023 02:13
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mlmp08 posted:I am against the employment of anti-personnel landmines. If someone's instinct is to defend their employment, that's their problem. i love anti-personnel landmines and i want to kiss them on the mouth
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Feb 3, 2023 02:16
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crepeface posted:i love anti-personnel landmines and i want to kiss them on the mouth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmara_69
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Feb 3, 2023 02:18
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mlmp08 posted:I am against the employment of anti-personnel landmines. If someone's instinct is to defend their employment, that's their problem. oh okay but other types of landmines are fine and dandy???
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Feb 3, 2023 02:18
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someone points how your source is flawed and you interpret that as them loving land mines. that's disingenuous even for a dumbass like you
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Feb 3, 2023 02:18
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we need to adapt to these new russian tactics. maybe send Ukraine some flamethrowers? do we still have any flamethrower tanks? that could deal with a horde pretty easily
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Feb 3, 2023 02:18
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gradenko_2000 posted:oh okay but other types of landmines are fine and dandy??? When Mosul was leveled, all of the civilians were killed with humane shrapnel and debris. The only moral invasion and loss of civilians ever.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:20
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we only use anti nazi landmines in the good ol usa
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Feb 3, 2023 02:21
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oh are we arguing with mlmp08 again? nice, good luck!
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Feb 3, 2023 02:21
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orks have racial resistance to landmines, its fine for them
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Feb 3, 2023 02:22
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Frosted Flake posted:Okay, so, let's C-SPAM this. Why was British production so screwy? Britain had been, as you all know, The Workshop of the World, the first to industrialize and once led the world in heavy industry. You would think that, though it was no longer 1851, Britain had such a lead that converting industries to more modern methods of production would be a non-issue. Well, the short answer is Capitalists. it owns that this happens over and over again. capital accumulates in a centre, but then has no reason to continue developing and thus cannot so someone else comes up with a better system
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Feb 3, 2023 02:28
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gradenko_2000 posted:oh okay but other types of landmines are fine and dandy??? Gotta be real careful, but I do think there's a place for anti-tank mines that have a deactivation timer on them where a person can jump directly on them and they won't detonate. Some of those have timers measured in hours or at most a day. War is bad, but I can see the argument for a more careful anti-tank mine usage for things like covering withdrawals. That's why I have no serious issue with the fact that Russia fired anti-tank mines to cover their withdrawal from Kherson. These uses are pretty distinct from just blanket throwing mines that never expire down all over the place that will kill any person who drives by or walks by 5 years later. So less "fine and dandy" and more "I get why armies use them, and they should continue to move toward mines that are very limited and situational rather than long-term threats to civilians." If everyone collectively agreed never to use scatterable mines, that could be good, but that's rough. It's been easier to convince armies not to use anti-personnel mines. It just turns out that in this war, neither army is convinced not to use those. But anti-personnel mines? Real bad and nasty stuff. I don't support their usage. I'm pretty dubious of the idea that such small mines can be made reliably to deactivate, since surely there's some defense type person out there working on that. E: I didn't think "anti-personnel land mine usage is bad" would make people so mad, but oh boy...
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Feb 3, 2023 02:30
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no one's biting, dickhead
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Feb 3, 2023 02:36
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crepeface posted:no one's biting, dickhead That's good; we should all agree on this very easy one. And it's only been about 1.5 pages, so we're making real progress on cutting down the length of derails.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:40
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:This was all from a book by Keegan, you said? Keegan, and Keegan quoted in a review of Lee Considered: General Robert E. Lee and Civil War History.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:43
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 Edit: technically a shaped charge
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One of the first very thorough dressings down I got as a student was when we had a lecturer come in to discuss landmines and I argued for their military value. Anyways, one of the highly publicized US gifts was scatterable mines. I'm confused, are they good or bad now?
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Feb 3, 2023 02:53
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Frosted Flake posted:One of the first very thorough dressings down I got as a student was when we had a lecturer come in to discuss landmines and I argued for their military value. Ukraine landmines are good, defensive mines. Russia landmines are bad, offensive landmines.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:55
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mlmp08 posted:HRW is either a bunch of tankies or CIA agents or the Ukrainian government, depending on who is reading it and wants to argue in favor of their chosen armed forces actions that put civilians at risk or abuse people or violate the law of armed conflict. They can be all of the above at the same time too.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:58
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Frosted Flake posted:Anyways, one of the highly publicized US gifts was scatterable mines. I'm confused, are they good or bad now? Surely, you can tell the difference between RAAMS and Russian or legacy Soviet-designed equivalents, in contrast with anti-personnel booby traps, PFM-1 "butterfly" mines, etc? You're usually pretty good at identifying the difference between different types of ordnance. bedpan posted:Ukraine landmines are good, defensive mines. Russia landmines are bad, offensive landmines. Hmmm, no, I think Ukraine firing PFM-1s, etc, is bad! That's why I posted that HRW article about Ukraine using them.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:59
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sea mines look really cool too, so theres that factor
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Feb 3, 2023 02:59
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the usa scatters mines like this the soviets scatter mines like this
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Feb 3, 2023 03:00
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A Bakers Cousin posted:the usa scatters mines like this It is wild that when someone posts the basic idea that it is BAD that Ukraine and Russia are deploying anti-personnel mines and harming civilians with their use, some people absolutely cannot turn off the team sports mentality to argue about it. Maybe anti-personnel mines are just bad.
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Feb 3, 2023 03:01
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bedpan posted:Ukraine landmines are good, defensive mines. Russia landmines are bad, offensive landmines. If you think about it, the best way to spread freedom and liberty is to liberate people from their corporeal prisons and set their souls free.
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Feb 3, 2023 03:03
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stfu mlmp08
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crepeface posted:stfu mlmp08 okay, I’ll stop posting for a while
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