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Timeless Appeal posted:If my power goes out for example, I will check the town or the electric company's twitter. If there was a good play in the baseball game I missed, I check the team's twitter. It's an easy way to scoop up information. I think twitter also had an acceptance by traditional media outlets that was helpful, and would take some time to break.
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I'm frankly baffled Meta (lol) or Discord or hell, gently caress it, MySpace or someone, literally anyone, hasn't already rolled out Twitter alternative that's just Twitter as it was before Musk decided we needed another platform for white supremacy and misogyny besides 4chan, 8chan, and all their children. Like yeah, a better moderated version of Twitter would be nice, but since Twitter is committing suicide, you don't even need that. You don't need to create the improved leftist/liberal/centrist version of Twitter to win over the journos and businesses. Just 'I have made a site that recreates the functionality and features of Twitter precisely as it was the day before Elon Musk decided to say the gamer word."
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I'm frankly baffled Meta (lol) or Discord or hell, gently caress it, MySpace or someone, literally anyone, hasn't already rolled out Twitter alternative that's just Twitter as it was before Musk decided we needed another platform for white supremacy and misogyny besides 4chan, 8chan, and all their children.
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Cheesus posted:I mean, it's barely been a week since he started dismantling the company. Oh yeah, but I mean 'Elon Musk is a ruinous idiot' has been known for a long time, and it's been known he was going to buy Twitter for a while. Remember how there was a threatened mass exodus from Twitter when it first seemed like he was going to buy it before he backed down then got forced back in? Yeah, people had time to prepare.
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OneEightHundred posted:Well good thing the ability to find reliable information from authentic accounts is about to be drastically hobbled for the dumbest reasons possible. I understand the stuff Musk is implementing is really bad, and especially from lenses like trans rights, healthcare, and having a functioning democracy, I think the changes are dangerous. But I also feel like it’s going to impact the Mets or Duke Energy less. But in the same way that Google is a lovely search engine in so many ways, once something becomes ubiquitous, that’s really hard to break. I haven’t had Facebook in over a decade, but you still see so many local events use Facebook as their main point of communication from people that it’s hard to escape. My point is that I think that for as much damage that Musk can do, and there is this baseline for how twitter exists in the lives of people who don’t even actively use it that is going to be hard to get away from. Also the free market is a lie.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I'm frankly baffled Meta (lol) or Discord or hell, gently caress it, MySpace or someone, literally anyone, hasn't already rolled out Twitter alternative that's just Twitter as it was before Musk decided we needed another platform for white supremacy and misogyny besides 4chan, 8chan, and all their children. Honestly, out of everyone you listed I think Discord has the best chance of becoming the next twitter if they tried that. There is already so many hooks and development possibilities and built-in userbase. It could happen. Especially if you don't need the app to access the theoretical twitter aspect of it.
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I've spent the last couple of days checking out Mastodon and I'm surprised by how quickly things came together. The second server I tried has worked out well and a fair number of the artists, scientists, etc. I followed on Twitter are already over there. I have no idea how things are going to play out with either platform but it's encouraging for an isolated person such as myself to feel like there's still a chance to stay connected with these folks.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I understand the stuff Musk is implementing is really bad, and especially from lenses like trans rights, healthcare, and having a functioning democracy, I think the changes are dangerous. But I also feel like it’s going to impact the Mets or Duke Energy less. RoboChrist 9000 posted:Meta (lol)
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perhaps this disaster will lead to anyone who uses twitter for anything except scrolling through cute animal pictures to take a moment to reflect on whether they should be using social media at all except for the aforementioned and chatting with friends
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Cranappleberry posted:perhaps this disaster will lead to anyone who uses twitter for anything except scrolling through cute animal pictures to take a moment to reflect on whether they should be using social media at all except for the aforementioned and chatting with friends Facebook and all its associated brands went down for like a whole day last year and everybody said they realized exactly that and were a lot happier without it, then were right back at it when it came back up. Introspection and reflection appear to be very weak weapons against the sort of psychologist-refined outrage and validation addiction cycles that we refer to as social media in shorthand.
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Elon's belief that charging $10 will result in only quality posts on his website is pretty conclusive proof he's never had an account here.
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The more I think about it, the more I think Discord is in a really unique position to capitalize on the instability in the social media space. Right now Discord exists in Silos. You join individual servers and can DM with users but that's about it. There is very little in the way of creating an additional wider network to text and chat in to replace twitter with. The user base that uses twitter is already in discord and the tech to embed and parse out information is also long matured. Discord already serves as social media, voice chat, and texting. So adding a twitter style social media presence isn't exactly fundamentally changing functions of the app. The userbase that doesn't want to interact with it...simply doesn't? Infact I think it's the final piece of the puzzle missing to Discord. There is no large shared social space for the userbase. You join individual servers. There is no large space above all those servers the entire userbase can interact with. But there theoretically could be. I think if they created a facebook and twitter style social media space above the individual servers it could really build into something. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Nov 6, 2022 |
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Nelson Mandingo posted:So adding a twitter style social media presence isn't exactly fundamentally changing functions of the app. The userbase that doesn't want to interact with it...simply doesn't? That's not how any feature in the history of features has ever worked. If they introduce this they will be incentivized to get users to use it, so they will intrude on the existing userbase to use it. quote:Infact I think it's the final piece of the puzzle missing to Discord. There is no large shared social space for the userbase. I think this is what makes the platform useful for what people currently do with it, and it's what keeps content moderation manageable. You know that any cross-server or user-directed interaction is the exception, and you can contain a lot of bad behaviors. Any additional platform-wide features are going to run counter to that.
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Discord is just IRC with bells and whistles on top, and IRC certainly was a platform that enabled if not outright encouraged to keep one's doings in separated silos. It might be awkward if Discord just decided to create a twitter-esque Disco-sona for each user profile, and suddenly one's pals from the Train Washing Simulator 2022 server and Local ACAB Militia server got to interact with one another.
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discord probably has the worst moderation record of any of the major social platforms, not who you want to take over after twitter the lack of decent saved read position doesn't help either
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Discord's efforts to promote enormous megaservers have fallen on deaf ears to my understanding, and these kinds of shared spaces are the worst parts of Discord. While the pitch makes sense from a business perspective I seriously doubt its value to the product.
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Yeah, that ignores that a lot of people don't want a massive global space in which anyone can interact with anyone. The conflicts when one group brushes up against another group are a large part of what makes twitter lovely to use and it's the thing that makes the "main character" phenomenon possible. I could see them adding a server-wide news-timeline-like screen as part of the feature set, but the siloing will never (and should never) go away
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The big thing Discord could do would be to make a front page where servers could opt-in to be more easily searched and joined by the general public. Why a server owner would volunteer to do something so dumb is beyond me but that's what it'd look like. It'd probably just be brands and official discords for games or whatever, which are already trivially easy to find. I run a few for various purposes and if I ever logged in to find out any rando could join I'd close it up immediately and move back to Teamspeak or IRC, and I can't imagine I'm alone. It being silo'd is the whole appeal. The most frequent challenge people have with Discord is probably keeping it from becoming overwhelming as is. I personally think even in the worst case scenario, Twitter limps along for years. Big monsters have a lot of blood.
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The only site-wide feature I do like is using silly emotes all over when you have Nitro. As for megaservers, I have joined a few, mostly to do with Kickstarters and/or game playtests, and have them muted because I don't want all this action.
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Epic High Five posted:The big thing Discord could do would be to make a front page where servers could opt-in to be more easily searched and joined by the general public. Why a server owner would volunteer to do something so dumb is beyond me but that's what it'd look like. It'd probably just be brands and official discords for games or whatever, which are already trivially easy to find. I run a few for various purposes and if I ever logged in to find out any rando could join I'd close it up immediately and move back to Teamspeak or IRC, and I can't imagine I'm alone. It being silo'd is the whole appeal. The most frequent challenge people have with Discord is probably keeping it from becoming overwhelming as is. This is a thing. Click the little compass icon.
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Not to be outdone by Twitter, the Zuck is ordering his own round of layoffs. https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1589360530791272452 This isn't entirely surprising. Meta's stock has plummeted in 2022, and they've had the worst year of any S&P stock. It's not as bad as Elon's ridiculous mismanagement, but Apple's privacy features have been a big hit to Facebook's revenue, and VR has been a giant money furnace for Meta so far. The markets are not pleased, and Meta's a public company so Zuck has to at least pretend to care. And instead of cutting back on VR, he's engaging in aggressive cost-cutting everywhere else.
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kliras posted:discord probably has the worst moderation record of any of the major social platforms, not who you want to take over after twitter This is true, but I think if they invested in attempting a legitimate social media platform they'd have to invest in this by necessity. A lot of people bring a lot of good points but the general theme seems to be "But mega chat servers don't work out." But my theoretical point being this would be basically a facebook/twitter replacement that can filter down into servers, not just a mega chat server- which obviously don't work for obvious reasons. It's weird that I see such pushback on this across so many lines. It just outright seems the final obvious missing piece of Discord. It can do texting, voice chat, dms, video chat, forum threads. It does everything. It already is a social media community. But there is no larger infastructure for it's entire userbase to engage with all at once. And in the event it existed it seems poised to be able to take space away from other social medias.
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Does Discord have any moderation whatsoever? I assumed they left it all to the individual server owners. Opening up any kind of public chat would likely be even more disastrous than Twitters recent boom in slurs.
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Payndz posted:Zuck refusing to listen to anyone telling him "Nobody wants to wear a giant $2000 Johnny Mnemonic helmet to look at lovely Wii avatars in 3D" is highly entertaining hubris. I mean if they wanted to lean hard into VR get the VR porn stuff going better that's where the money would be. Nobody wants to wear a VR helmet so they can sit at a conference table or whatever.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:But my theoretical point being this would be basically a facebook/twitter replacement that can filter down into servers, not just a mega chat server- which obviously don't work for obvious reasons. What reasons are there that mega chat servers don't work that won't also apply to a Facebook/Twitter replacement working over Discord?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What reasons are there that mega chat servers don't work that won't also apply to a Facebook/Twitter replacement working over Discord? Facebook and Twitter work?
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Facebook and Twitter work? Neither of them are solutions integrated into Discord or running over Discord. Mega chat servers do run on Discord. You said they obviously don't work for obvious reasons. What are those reasons?
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Nelson Mandingo posted:It's weird that I see such pushback on this across so many lines. It just outright seems the final obvious missing piece of Discord. It can do texting, voice chat, dms, video chat, forum threads. It does everything. It already is a social media community. But there is no larger infastructure for it's entire userbase to engage with all at once. And in the event it existed it seems poised to be able to take space away from other social medias. Right, but all of the other activities you list are (some more, some less) better suited for curated lists of pals / people with shared interests, not the entirety of the Discord even tried to add functionality in the other direction, so to speak, when some time ago they boasted about making it easier to swap between accounts on the fly. I guess this type of functionality could be used to maintain both a "general" Disco-tar for a twitter-like public-facing social media persona, and a smattering of accounts for one's political activities, various gaming communities and so forth, but this still seems like the opposite of synergy with what Disco currently offers to the user 
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Let me doublepost because that's easier. Megachat is not social media. It's a huge chat channel with hundreds of people that as soon as you post something it disappears into the ether of POGCHAMP LOL spam. There is a reason why reddit and twitter/facebook are threaded social spaces like a forum. I'm saying I believe that if Discord emulated that style in a social media space on their app it could -potentially- be successful. Not just for the social media aspect that people post pictures of their cats or lewds and how twitter and facebook is used right now but it could easily filter down into their bread and butter of chat channel silos. This is all speculative, because I doubt this is in Discord's plans. I just believe they're in a better position then most other potential competitors for this.
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Discord introduced forum channels months ago, and they've had threading for a while.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Discord introduced forum channels months ago, and they've had threading for a while. So I'm not completely sure you're understanding my overall point. That forum thread tech is still limited to -individual servers-. As an aside that feature is exactly why I started to think they're in a great position actually as they have tremendous strides in their tech and customization. Imagine you look at Discord. Imagine you open it up and you see a button on the left side above your servers. You press the button and it opens up twitter. It's literally twitter in every aspect. Except it's on Discord. Lets give it a pretend name like "Truth Social". Everyone with a discord account can post on it, and it works exactly like facebook and twitter. You post a picture of your cat, that everyone with a twitter- I'm sorry, Discord Account, can see, and your uncle is bitching about liberals in your timeline. It's twitter. Or facebook. Just on discord. That's what I mean by a social media space. Not just another server. Now- obviously with all the features this could easily filter down into servers. Like say you follow political junkie #1280 and you like their shitposts on this pretend "Truth Social". Well they actually have a discord server. And you can join it. Which introduces you to a lot of other people who follow their...uh...tweets. On Discord. See what I mean now? That's why I think they're in a potential position to take advantage to expand their current app to include social media as opposed to other apps that aren't as developed or have less users. Edit: For reference, discord has about 150 million active users. Twitter is 230~ million. It's a big audience. That's why I'm arguing so hard to say if they included an honest attempt at a social media space they could probably pull it off. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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The moderation doesn't HAVE to be poo poo, and one of the advantages of the siloing is that it gives the community tools to police itself and set its own rules. It's really not a replacement for Twitter (which basically thrives by having everything imaginable) but it is probably a better starting point for a social network. But then there are also problems like, server admins can't view deleted messages or previous versions of edited messages, which is insane.
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OneEightHundred posted:The moderation doesn't HAVE to be poo poo, and one of the advantages of the siloing is that it gives the community tools to police itself and set its own rules. It's really not a replacement for Twitter (which basically thrives by having everything imaginable) but it is probably a better starting point for a social network. Yeah but look at it this way. This is the one very obvious pitfall that I think would happen instantly out of all this. Again using a hypothetical, discord starts it's own social media website/app addition. So you're doomscrolling one day as you do with social media and you see a post by @1776Patriot about how VACCINES are gonna KILL YOUR loving DOG!!! You just got your dog it's shots, and you don't want your dog to die. So you click his post, and hey he's got a discord channel. And you join and now you're reading about how Hillary Clinton is drinking the blood of frightened white teens and giving YOUR MONEY to THE MEXICANS. And now you're trapped in an information silo. Anyway I'm not gonna harp on this much more. I just think with the obvious strength of the app and userbase it's a potentiality with twitter flailing and Musk deciding to ban comedy again it's an interesting thought experiment. 
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Discord was, for a period, really infamous as a recruiting format for the alt-right; the siloed servers and the gaming focus made it really effective for this. I don't have much info on how the company tried to address this, though I recall that at least some tightening of policies occurred.
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