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not caring here posted:I thought that was Elon Elon is the one creating suicidal apes after blasting their brains.
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Mr. Nice! posted:According to right wing conspiracies, Fauci had dogs tortured with their heads in boxes full of biting flies for research. I feel stupider for knowing this. I really should know better by now.
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not caring here posted:I thought that was Elon I thought that was Oz.
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House Speaker vote is currently ongoing. McCarthy is already not going to win on the first ballot (but that was expected). He is, however, already losing by somewhat more than expected.
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Lol. The cheering when Jeffries gets a vote. Lmao.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Lol. The cheering when Jeffries gets a vote. Lmao. It was Jeffries turn to vote. That's why they were cheering him.
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What are the realistic outcomes? Since there is talk of multiple votes I guess you need a majority, and I assume none of the dissenters will be voting Polosi. So they just keep doing votes until they convince enough?
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Xenoborg posted:What are the realistic outcomes? Since there is talk of multiple votes I guess you need a majority, and I assume none of the dissenters will be voting Polosi. So they just keep doing votes until they convince enough? Just for your information, none of the Democrats will be voting for Pelosi, either. Hakeem Jeffries is Pelosi's successor as the leader of the Democrats in the House. The usual rule of thumb is that a frontrunner failing to win a majority only gets weaker as the voting goes on. If McCarthy doesn't become speaker in the first vote, then there's a high likelihood that he won't become speaker at all.
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Consensus thinks McCarthy will eventually pull out the Speakership but he's so weakly supported there's no telling how many ballots will be needed to get to that point or under what conditions/deals will be put in place in order to get there. All of which will determine how much pain McCarthy will experience over the next 2 years. Also note that the House can't do jack poo poo until they get a Speaker.
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Thwomp posted:Consensus thinks McCarthy will eventually pull out the Speakership but he's so weakly supported there's no telling how many ballots will be needed to get to that point or under what conditions/deals will be put in place in order to get there. Its really not suprising too, McCarthy was a terrible minority leader unable to keep his party inline, and he thought making deals with the devil would save his rear end. Nope. Stultus Maximus posted:Is there any possibility that the Democratic caucus can cut a deal with a moderate Republican? Not really, there's like...30 "moderates" in there now? The rest are almost all hard GOP Party Liners closer to MAGA/Q sorts.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is there any possibility that the Democratic caucus can cut a deal with a moderate Republican? You would need a moderate Republican.
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Thwomp posted:Consensus thinks McCarthy will eventually pull out the Speakership but he's so weakly supported there's no telling how many ballots will be needed to get to that point or under what conditions/deals will be put in place in order to get there. Wasn’t there talk of some kind of centrist candidate peeling support from Dems for a super weak hybrid speaker? Remember the Speaker of the House does not have to be an elected congressperson. In theory we could see votes for Obama, Trump, and JEB!
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Jan 3, 2023 18:32
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is there any possibility that the Democratic caucus can cut a deal with a moderate Republican? Probably about as likely as the non-Freedom Caucus Republicans cutting a deal with conservative Democrats. It's always a possibility, but pretty unlikely.
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The freedom caucus could always win and Biggs gets the votes eventually.
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Thwomp posted:House Speaker vote is currently ongoing. McCarthy is already not going to win on the first ballot (but that was expected). He is, however, already losing by somewhat more than expected. I saw an article this morning that said the 4-6 vote "deficit" McCarthy needed to overcome was really looking like a 20+ vote "deficit".
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Zamujasa posted:You would need a moderate Republican. You'd need 3 moderate 'R's who would almost certainly get primaried in the next election. See: Cheney, L.
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ASAPI posted:I saw an article this morning that said the 4-6 vote "deficit" McCarthy needed to overcome was really looking like a 20+ vote "deficit". There are currently 19 republicans that have voted against him with a good bit left to go.
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Thwomp posted:You'd need 3 moderate 'R's who would almost certainly get primaried in the next election. See: Cheney, L. Cheney was not a moderate. Just a right wing member of the party opposed to Trump.
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Zamujasa posted:You would need a moderate Republican. You aren't kidding. The few names I had in mind all got primaried or retired.
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The republicans aren't loyal opposition any more. Just keep that in mind going forward.
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Doesn't seem to be going well for the GOP Majorityquote:BREAKING: *Hakeem Jeffries*, the House Minority Leader, has just had more votes than:
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CommieGIR posted:Doesn't seem to be going well for the GOP Majority *Gym Jordan
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Zamujasa posted:You would need a moderate Republican. Closest thing is the ~4 NY Republicans that are sitting in Biden districts that know they're toast in 2024 if the House goes full chud. Won't really happen, no such thing as a "moderate" Republican anymore and the closest thing resides in the Senate, not the House. edit: it's very Democrat to look at the clusterfuck (McCarthy lost his second vote) and decide "HMM BORED NOW I COULD BE OFF RAISING MONEY" https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1610363730050572288 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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facialimpediment posted:Closest thing is the ~4 NY Republicans that are sitting in Biden districts that know they're toast in 2024 if the House goes full chud. Won't really happen, no such thing as a "moderate" Republican anymore and the closest thing resides in the Senate, not the House. if dems don’t show up doesn’t they reduce the vote count needed to win? also lol at this list: https://history.house.gov/People/Office/Speakers-Multiple-Ballots/ hope we’re more like 1924 than the two before that, didn’t lead to great years. not that 1924’s long term was bright either.
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In case anyone thought that Santos' troubles have been resolved/swept under the rug, he is wanted in Brazil for check fraud. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-santos-face-check-fraud-charges-brazil/story?id=96093809
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ASAPI posted:In case anyone thought that Santos' troubles have been resolved/swept under the rug, he is wanted in Brazil for check fraud. I doubt that we're going to extradite a sitting Congressman on Brazilian check fraud charges.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I doubt that we're going to extradite a sitting Congressman on Brazilian check fraud charges. Why? Is there immunity? Who makes that determination if not, Justice or State I would assume? Dems will probably force the GOP to go on record to support or kick him out of they are smart.
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quote:BREAKING NEWS: #KevinMcCarthy has just lost the THIRD vote for Speaker. House Republican chaos continues. Yeah, I don't think Kevin is getting it. Dude sold his soul and can't even get a successful speaker vote.
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Doesn't he remain a representative, regardless of criminal status, so long as his home state doesn't recall him?
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M_Gargantua posted:Doesn't he remain a representative, regardless of criminal status, so long as his home state doesn't recall him? Pretty sure that's how it works. Dude is already neck deep in lies and misleading info, this is only a drop in the bucket.
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What happens if it really does turn out that he's not an American citizen?
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Torrannor posted:What happens if it really does turn out that he's not an American citizen? Currently, he's elected and that's that. The election happened and can't be undone. Now if it's confirmed that he lied about that and hasn't been a citizen for seven years, the cleanest thing is an expulsion vote through the House of Representatives, as they can chuck any member they want to with a 2/3rds vote. Democrats would love that, but as you've seen with McCarthy's trouble - that would essentially drop the Republican defection number from 5 to 4. Lawsuits would probably end up being brand new law and a legal clusterfuck - I'm not aware of a judicial thing dealing with citizenship, as the Supreme Court hasn't technically defined what citizenship even is yet as I'm not aware of case law (automatic as long as one parent is a citizen? need both parents as citizens? automatic of born on US soil, regardless of parents?). edit: lol, a vote to vote tomorrow https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610402014583816192
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facialimpediment posted:Currently, he's elected and that's that. The election happened and can't be undone. Has the GOP considered ranked choice voting?
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Has Twitter died completely? None of those links are opening in-app now
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is there any possibility that the Democratic caucus can cut a deal with a moderate Republican? Nystral posted:Remember the Speaker of the House does not have to be an elected congressperson. In theory we could see votes for Obama, Trump, and JEB!
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Change the constitution so naturalized citizens can be president, embrace the Demolition Man future
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