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bulletsponge13 posted:Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Which country gets to war crime to the top of the leader board? I'm not saying that no one should face punishment, but at the same time, why is it only our declared "enemies" face judgement or get eyed for justice, when our loving Allies do the same poo poo or worse? I'm being genuine in asking- who decides the line, where it is, and what the repercussions are? in a more serious response, it's pretty bleak and international relations really is a Hobbesian nightmare hellscape where might makes right and you only enforcably war crimed if you end up losing sovereignty. Don't open pandora's box unless you're gonna win or it's a truly existential struggle where you've got nothing to lose shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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That Works posted:Couldn’t say but I remember arguing with a friend when Syria just got started that Assad should have gotten got and I still think that would’ve been better for the world in general if he died right early on. We should have stepped into Syria and handled it as soon as it got started. Instead, we set an unspoken precedent that chemical weapons are fine to use, even when we are in theater. I also think we should have done something when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, because it seemed like all the experts were warning this war was coming. I guess as I've gotten older, and really started to reconcile my experiences (I'm still writing, that thread ain't dead), I'm dealing with the stereotypical Veteran poo poo- we were supposed to be the good guys, blah blah blah, and it gets smeared over everything. DS9 chat- I wasn't mature enough to get some of DS9, and it felt like a Bootleg Babylon 5 (which I started watching first). But Sisqo at least appreciated the difference between a threat of violence and the intent of violence. He told them what was going to happen. He gave them a choice in outcome. shame on an IGA posted:in a more serious response, it's pretty bleak and international relations really is a Hobbesian nightmare hellscape where might makes right and you only enforcably war crimed if you end up losing sovereignty. Don't open pandora's box unless you're gonna win or it's a truly existential struggle where you've got nothing to lose That's where I land, and it sucks.
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TheWeedNumber posted:I need to watch this finally to understand because I do not understand the significance of this pic. ABout 95% of star trek rankings rate "In the Pale Moonlight" as the best episode of Star Trek.
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A.o.D. posted:ABout 95% of star trek rankings rate "In the Pale Moonlight" as the best episode of Star Trek. Sisko owns and to this day I am upset that Avery Brooks got blacklisted from Hollywood somehow and we never got a version of First Contact where it's a proper TNG/DS9 crossover. Just imagine the line "Jean-Luc, blow up the drat ship!" but in his voice.
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bulletsponge13 posted:We should have stepped into Syria and handled it as soon as it got started. Instead, we set an unspoken precedent that chemical weapons are fine to use, even when we are in theater. The crossing of the redline should have led to the nuclear destruction of the airbase the strikes were launched from, IMO. Enforce the taboo. Spin the gently caress out of it PR wise. Don’t even use the word weapon at the press conference. Say some poo poo like, “To ensure that the illegal chemical weapon stockpile was properly dismantled, we chose to use thermonuclear demolition charges to ensure high-heat incineration of the stockpiled agents. We regret the loss of all personnel at the airbase and our thoughts are with their families.” If Obama did that poo poo he would be a loving gangster. Legacy=covered. Taboo enforced. Drop chems get hit. gently caress it, throw one more wherever Assad was sleeping that day and say he had a canister of VX tucked under his pillow too and we wanted to be sure. International community would have been shook. But dictators wouldn’t be gassing no more kids after that one, I’d bet money on that.
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Obama didn't want to be Truman, he had his own thing going with drone strikes.
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TheWeedNumber posted:The crossing of the redline should have led to the nuclear destruction of the airbase the strikes were launched from, IMO. 100000% no thanks.
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Jan 30, 2023 01:35
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Obama didn't want to be Truman, he had his own thing going with drone strikes. So put one on a UAV, General Atomics would have done it for free just to say they did.
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shame on an IGA posted:in a more serious response, it's pretty bleak and international relations really is a Hobbesian nightmare hellscape where might makes right and you only enforcably war crimed if you end up losing sovereignty. Don't open pandora's box unless you're gonna win or it's a truly existential struggle where you've got nothing to lose History decided by the winners or whatever. Everything is subjective.
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I’m going to be bold here in saying that there is no point in the history of nuclear weapons at which they were not used, but at which they should have been used.
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Jan 30, 2023 01:41
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bulletsponge13 posted:Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Turns out that as always the answer is that the Winners get to decide where that line was. We're one of the bad guys, and there don't seem to be any good guys. So we just gotta individually make the world as full of love and positivity as we can on our own scale.
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mlmp08 posted:100000% no thanks. Could you expand upon your point?
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TheWeedNumber posted:Could you expand upon your point? Dropping a nuke over Syria’s actions would have tremendous consequences and set a terrible precedent. The ramifications among allies and partners, alone, would be awful.
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Jan 30, 2023 02:13
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mlmp08 posted:Dropping a nuke over Syria’s actions would have tremendous consequences and set a terrible precedent. The ramifications among allies and partners, alone, would be awful. That seems to outweigh my intent to set a new precedent of “WMD usage begets WMD retaliation” with that random shitpost. Let’s pretend I didn’t say nuke em. Would a normal strike be warranted?
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TheWeedNumber posted:I can’t remember if B5 or Farscape was the one with Australians in space. Far scape. With the dude who took over sg1
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TheWeedNumber posted:Would a normal strike be warranted? Normal like launching a strike with conventional weapons aimed at chemical weapons facilities and those who plan their usage?
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mlmp08 posted:Normal like launching a strike with conventional weapons aimed at chemical weapons facilities and those who plan their usage? Yep. Ideally only wreck the area with the chems and try to avoid killing Russians on the base. I believe the Durandal is the type of bomb you use to crater a runway. Drop the stockpile, drop the flight line, render the base inoperable. Destroy any other known chemical weapon stockpiles. Bonus objectives: kill the officers who ordered the strike in a separate strike. The unwritten rule of not killing world leaders is still on the table at this point, otherwise I’d say kill Assad at all costs.
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Kazinsal posted:Sisko owns and to this day I am upset that Avery Brooks got blacklisted from Hollywood somehow and we never got a version of First Contact where it's a proper TNG/DS9 crossover. DS9 is my all time favorite show, but I don’t believe Brooks got blacklisted at all. It’s my impression he prefers to be a stage actor and isn’t interested in further Star Trek projects. He appeared in the documentary What We Left Behind (highly recommended) but didn’t seem to have any animosity or tension. I think Next Generation got movies as it was a bigger series and was expected to draw a bigger crowd. I’m not bummed we didn’t get a DS9 movie as it ended so strongly I’d be worried about where they’d go next, and while if they had a DS9 movie as good as First Contact yes that would own but an Insurrection or Nemesis would have been a sour note. Considering the mess that is Picard because of the poor present day management of the brand I’m fine with DS9 characters not being brought back to be killed off in a barely written story.
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TheWeedNumber posted:Yep. Ideally only wreck the area with the chems and try to avoid killing Russians on the base. I believe the Durandal is the type of bomb you use to crater a runway. Drop the stockpile, drop the flight line, render the base inoperable. Destroy any other known chemical weapon stockpiles. That’s a pretty close description of what did happen when the US, France, and UK retaliated after Syria’s 2018 chemical weapon usage. Syria fixed the base, but what are you gonna do? Related: OCPW recently released their independent reporting laying blame on that 2018 chem attack that killed 43 people on the government of Syria.
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Even if we allowed for the sake of argument that opening the can on some sunshine didn’t directly kill any innocent people and didn’t make the use of nuclear weapons in the future any more likely, the worldwide panic would be quite destructive.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:DS9 is my all time favorite show, but I don’t believe Brooks got blacklisted at all. It’s my impression he prefers to be a stage actor and isn’t interested in further Star Trek projects. He appeared in the documentary What We Left Behind (highly recommended) but didn’t seem to have any animosity or tension. Cirroc Lofton said a couple years ago that Brooks would come back to the screen if he was allowed to but for mysterious reasons no agent will take him. If that's not a blacklisting I don't know what is.
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RE: what just happened in Iran, are there any good summaries of What We Know So Far in terms of what exploded and how the exploding happened? I've been doing family stuff all weekend so I haven't had time to check my usual sources.
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Kazinsal posted:Cirroc Lofton said a couple years ago that Brooks would come back to the screen if he was allowed to but for mysterious reasons no agent will take him. If that's not a blacklisting I don't know what is. Ah dang didn’t know that.
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TheWeedNumber posted:I can’t remember if B5 or Farscape was the one with Australians in space. That was Cleopatra 2525.
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 A GREAT steering wheel that doesn’t fly off when you’re driving!
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“Still love the car though”
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in short, Iran is a land of contrasts
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Now that’s what I call American build quality
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Zamujasa posted:anyone who willingly steps foot into a tesla is an idiot Annoyingly the early Tesla's were a LOT of fun to drive, but yeah the build quality and safety is absolutely not worth the risk.
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It's like the crappy cell phone of cars.
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Kesper North posted:RE: what just happened in Iran, are there any good summaries of What We Know So Far in terms of what exploded and how the exploding happened? I've been doing family stuff all weekend so I haven't had time to check my usual sources. https://www.timesofisrael.com/warplanes-said-to-strike-convoy-of-iranian-militia-trucks-on-syria-iraq-border/ A series of strikes in Iran and Syria. quote:online, January 29, 2023. (Screenshot: Twitter) Times of Israel isn't a rag, it's a decent newspaper. However, there's still scant information. Seems to be "some aircraft" that is the level of certainty we can be at. Iran is completely silent on it, but that also makes sense. They have very little interest in admitting that anyone could do this to them. Strafing ground next to trucks and convoys to allow escape before attacking convoys themselves is a common MO of, well, you know what Air Force. This is likely the same series of strikes as the ones in Iran, based on timing. https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-warns-israel-not-to-play-with-fire-after-drone-attack-on-defense-facility/ quote:"Iran on Monday warned Israel “not to play with fire,” and threatened retaliation over Israel’s reported involvement in a weekend drone attack on a key defense facility in the city of Isfahan.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:
A car that's TOO small. So your mother in law can't fit in it.
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Zamujasa posted:anyone who willingly steps foot into a tesla is an idiot I remember someone on twitter predicting, in the middle of the Musk takeover, that the phrase "owns a Tesla" will be used in future movies and shows about our current time period to imply that someone is a clueless schmuck.
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Latest leak of classified documents to War Thunder: welcome the J-8.
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TheWeedNumber posted:So has every other nation I can think of. As someone who would happily crush the Iranian people to a nub if they got in "our" way geopolitically, let's pause for a sec and loving call a spade a spade. Our body count and tally of "heinous poo poo" since the formation of the Union up until the present is off the charts. If we didn't do it ourselves, we worked through our partners and allies to get the poo poo done. We've drained the sea of people in Vietnam, and jumped for joy when the Indonesian genocide occurred way back during the Cold War. We cheered because it was a geopolitical win for us to drop the 3rd largest communist party in the world and a leading voice of the Non-Aligned Movement at the same time. Not only have we drained the sea, but we also trained our partners in Latin America to do it too. That's cool man but I was specifically quoting and responding to a post that said Iran didn't. TheWeedNumber posted:The crossing of the redline should have led to the nuclear destruction of the airbase the strikes were launched from, IMO.  I mistook you for a serious poster, my apologies.
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Memphis PD relieved another cop of duty today in the Tyre Nichols case, a white guy. Relieved of duty, not fired. https://wreg.com/news/local/tyre-nichols/sixth-officer-in-nichols-confrontation-relieved-of-duty/ Also Memphis Fire axed 3 employees involved. https://wreg.com/news/local/tyre-nichols/3-memphis-fire-employees-terminated-in-tyre-nichols-investigation/
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TheWeedNumber posted:I can’t remember if B5 or Farscape was the one with Australians in space. Farscape was the australian show if that's what you mean
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TheWeedNumber posted:The crossing of the redline should have led to the nuclear destruction of the airbase the strikes were launched from, IMO. Ah yes I am a serious and credible poster myself, too. 
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