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bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

loving spoiled rear end criminals these days. No loving pride and dedication to the craft.

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bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I wrote it, hit send, and realized I might be half quoting Gone in 60 Seconds.

I grew up around criminals and malcontents. They always get caught by doing dumb or getting done dirty, but 'Leave your phone and wallet at the rally point' is like, Day Zero, Hour One criming.

And why keep the heaters? Can't spare the Sawzall blade for a new catalytic converter? Break them down, drive around, scatter the parts.

loving amateurs. Crime isn't hard to get away with if you apply more than a 20 minute Meth Lesson and marathon of Tower Heist.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

What happens when this vote fails? Do they just repeat until someone gives in? Propose someone else?
What is the best case, worst case, and funnest case outcome?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

It's American Exeptuonalism in microcosm. The SoF community has been off leash for more than 20 years now. We have whole teams- possibly whole units- made up of guys who've whole career they have played by a separate set of rules, and insulated from repercussions. The institutional attitudes and personal knowledge of pre-GWOT has been set aside for using SoF as a bandaid to foreign policy mistakes and fetishes.

Similar to fewer and fewer troops with actual combat experience still being in, the culture changes as it ages. Poor Analogy- this is like the spoiled rich kid getting a DUI.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Assholes like that are why I can't put War Criminal on my CV. They ruin it for all the good war criminals, like me.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Yeah I don’t recall what season I stopped but had been losing enthusiasm and heard someone point out that for a show set in Georgia it was odd the survivors were only allowed one Black man at a time and I thought hey c’mon that’s unfair. Then the next ep the Black guy died and his replacement jogged up and I didn’t watch much longer.

Ugh that comic was trash, just endless panels of people dying with zero plot. Took me too long to realize Ennis is a hack.

Are you sure you are reading the Ennis penned work? I read Crossed for most of it's run, and Ennis' were the only ones that had any plot, or world cohesion. Pretty much every other creative team was doing tortureporn.jpeg.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I've said it before, a few hours, a locked room, and immunity, and the Uvalde Chief will understand what those kids suffered through while he cowered outside.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Hekk posted:

This is a gentle reminder to all participants that we have a cop chat thread to keep this one from getting inundated with dogpile posts about how much everyone hates the police.

Yeah, but last time I told the police how I felt, I ended up in County.

(Joking. Excellent reminder)

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Olyphant was pretty good in season 4 of Fargo, although that show got wrecked by covid production delays and restrictions and the end result was a mess.

Is Justified worth a watch?

Absolutely. I put it in the pantheon of great TV. It was under marketed, and was over shadowed by the money from the fake outlaw bikers.

The final scene with Goggins and Olyphant is perfect, and the series runs strong. The worst episode of Justified is still better than the best episode of 3/4 of drama.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Or, nail them both to the same cross- it has two sides.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Anything fun come from Trump Tax Returns?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

::watches American Events since 2016::

"Sure, we don't need a way to defend ourselves."
...

Not to mention, AWB are stupid, do nothing to help, and are based on cosmetic features.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Illinois’ AWB is dumb and bad and is likely going to be struck down along with a whole bunch of other laws post-Bruen. At the same time, we also don’t need a whole bunch of “constitutional Sheriffs” deciding what laws they want to enforce; that’s standing in the shallow end of the sovcit pool before it rapidly drops off from there.

I agree. I just don't see how a rational person could watch recent events (poo poo, American history) and not think they need to be armed. It's not about the loving British coming back, and using that argument makes you look like an rear end in a top hat. (Not directed at personal 'you', the generalized 'you').

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I disagree with the AR comments. It's one of the best, most effective, and safest weapons to use for home and self defense when you do your part.

That's like saying no one needs more than a claw hammer, because it's a good enough hammer.

E- I am a "professional" gun toucher, so take that whatever way you like.

bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 14, 2023

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

/\ Say you live in an apartment or a zero lot line neighborhood. Why would a rifle cartridge be more ideal than a handgun cartridge? There are other people outside your walls.

I don't see anyone trying to invade us.

But I also don't see anyone picking off tyrannical politicians who actively are spreading the "fear thy neighbor" narrative, either. E: because that's what they want.

SD 5.56 penetrates less than 9mm SD rounds through intermediate building material like modern interior drywall and framing. It penetrates less than Buckshot in testing, too.

E- why are you harping on invasion? We don't need to worry about that. We need to worry about people forming death squads and hunting their undesirables at the earliest convenience. You know, like has happened a bunch of times in recent memory, most notably post Katrina.

bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jan 14, 2023

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

That's assuming people are going to pay double the price for SD rounds. Hollow points aren't cheap, people will just buy ball.

Same can be said about any round. And every FMJ will over penetrate, so what's your argument? That accidentally killing someone with a Marlin Camp Carbine is more ok than doing the same with an AR? Because that is what you are saying with this line.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

CommieGIR posted:

This is the larger issue and why I got back into owning firearms. The GOP harping on murdering their neighbors scares me more than crime.

I know the gun community doesn't like this, but guns are tools. You should use the best tool for the job at hand.

A pistol sucks for Home Defense. A Shotgun sucks more. A carbine does a better job. If y'all want a list of practical reasons based on research, data and science, but it's a small part of the reason the explosion in AR ownership happened.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

I'm saying to most people, a bullet is a bullet, and having the forethought to buy/load SD rounds doesn't override the desire to save a buck.

So what you're saying is we need to make FMJ rounds more expensive than SD rounds? So people buy SD as default?

2 way street on this words in mouths thing.

I'm not putting words in mouths- that's what I'm reading from your meaning.

You proposed that 556 is more dangerous than other available calibers for home defense. It categorical is not. Even FMJ 5.56 tends to pen less than ball 9mm, because it tumbles very quickly, and loses it's velocity. A 7.62×39 loses much, if not most, all velocity within two interior walls while missing studs.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Isn't there also plenty of research that having any type of firearm around for home defense is more likely to get someone shot in a suicide attempt or accident or domestic violence situation?

I'm not denying that; I'm also not saying we should give anyone and everyone who wants one with no training. I'm not against gun control. I'm for effective gun control and effective gun education in the country. I'm saying harping on 'assault weapons' isn't any type of solution to any of the problems guns cause. Most violent crime is done with pistols; pistols were originally going to be NFA items. Most suicides are the same. By focusing on the easy, ineffective it assauges emotions of the uninformed, but perpetuates the underlying issues.

A home with a gun is 100% more likely to have a problem with guns than a home without.

The underlying reasons for gun violence are all rooted in socioeconomic issues. If we are going to ignore that, then we should work on gun control that addresses the actual scourge of gun violence, not focus on the scary looking tools.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Mega Comrade posted:

If that is the case why do other countries with significant socioeconomic issues have such lower homocide and suicide rates than USA?

Cool. Did I say we don't have a gun problem? I said address the actual problem weapons, pistols.
Beyond that, it depends on the country. Many other countries in similar situations do have the same problems America has, even with stricter gun control.

Again, not advocating for no gun control. I just want it to actually be effective and useful.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

There was an old website that did some great testing called Box O Truth, where they would shoot various calibers into building materials, if you are interested. I believe they also were a part of the Ballistics by the Inch guys, who took a barrel and cut it an inch at a time and documented the changes. Science kinda poo poo.


For those questioning pistols as a tool, they are a compromise. Poor analogy- would you rather replace your faucet with a leatherman, or a real tool kit? You can make do with a Leatherman, but you are most likely choosing it out of necessity or lack of alternatives. Same with a pistol. They are more difficult to shoot accurately and safely, and require more muscle, technique, and training- all of which must be maintained with more diligence than long gun work. We carry them because they are convenient, not because they are a good choice for a fight.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Grip it and rip it posted:

Lol were you gearing up to take back DC on January 6th or were you busy that day?

The point im trying to make is that the US government is far more powerful than any individual faction of US politics and maintaining control over those institutions is how we contend with a fascist uprising. If the right were to gain unified authority over the entirety of the federal government that's essentially game over. So while keeping a gun or two at home might be comforting, it won't do much to prevent that disastrous scenario.

It will allow you to not be lynched in your front yard without a fight, since we are playing the game this way.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Grip it and rip it posted:

I agree with you entirely with the exception that personal gun ownership in any way improves things

A romantic end but one that is likely if a fascist uprising fully seizes power in the USA. If that does happen I have little doubt they'd try to disarm certain segments of the populace while enabling others so you'd end up at the same place as if we had actually tried to install sensible gun control. Your scenario doesn't seem like much (or any) of an improvement over just keeping a gun even if gun control laws are passed.

Not really, because you are assuming I'll comply.
I'll be honest, like 1/3 of your posts on this subject have been borderline shitposting with no direction, so I only posted that to get a reaction of more of your fantasies, since that's what this thread has become- full of fantasies.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

M_Gargantua posted:

You are calling peoples "worries" as "fantasies", as if they are things we want to happen instead of things we fear happening. Fantasy also implies they are less than improbable, to which modern history has shown these fears to be probable and uncommon. When you do your 4x4 risk assessment it falls in the "Low Probability, Catastrophic Impact" square which requires additional mitigation.

I'm not dismissing them; I'm the dude who supports being prepared, because I've witnessed what happens when that prep is failed. I'm the dude who carries a TQ like a rosary. I'm just tired of the bullshit where everyone keeps driven to more and more ridiculous rationale by ever shifting qualifiers, mostly driven by the refusal to admit that everyone's solution presented is a day dream reality.

This whole thread is a perfect example of why we get useless poo poo passed, but nothing that fixes a single issue with the system.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Grip it and rip it posted:

I think the 2nd amendment, supreme court, and ease of movement between differently regulated markets is why we can't have meaningful gun reform. What exactly is the proposal you think will address society's ails so effectively?

My solutions are just as pie in the sky as yours, but address the illness, not the symptom. Guns are the symptom. I'm not an expert, and I won't pretend to have all the solutions.

We'd have to start with a shift in culture. You can start with public health. You start with Healthcare reform, and available mental health treatment; most gun deaths are suicides. You can start with prison reform; most criminals are forced into going career by a system that doesn't provide ANYTHING but heartbreak and slave labor. You expand social services. I grew up in the world of gun violence (thankfully mostly removed from danger, just witness to some); I saw a man bleed out from a gunshot wound before I started Kindergarten.

I'll probably cathc hell for the following, but gently caress it. We have the guidebook on how to make the effective changes that will produce and support good, practical, useful gun control based on community support and relief. It's no different than defeating an insurgency. You remove the elements of support, the contributing factors, then you deal with the unrepentant and unwilling. If people aren't forced into the circumstances of violence, then they won't feel the need to live by the gun.

My issue with the AWB and similar legislation is it is nearly all based on cosmetic criteria- flashhiders, folding stocks, etc- and next to impossible to enforce. All it does is act Asa band aid, a "we tried" against mass shootings, the statistical extreme of gun violence. It's planning for the 2%, not the 98%. It makes people feel good because they are largely ignorant to guns, functions, and calibers, but doesn't fix anything.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Tiny Timbs posted:

Instances where people have prevented themselves from being victimized are a few bright spots against a horrific and never ending level of gun violence in the country that stacks up literally hundreds of victims a day. Because of that, it’s hard for me to respect an argument that we should be concentrating on arming the correct people.

Personally, I have a visceral and immediate negative reaction to the kind of person that says they’re motivated by a fear that roving execution squads or The Government will execute them in their castle. My first introduction to that part of gun culture was from the instructor during my first CCW course and it left a really big mark on me.

I don't think that is most people- even the people that mentioned, me included, have that as their primary, secondary, or even tertiary concern, but that doesn't mean it doesn't haunt their thoughts. The argument here went to extremes all around, because we are all opinion havers with the correctest opinions and the emotional regulation of Middle Schoolers on hot topic issues. That doesn't mean the concern isn't warranted or in the realm of reality- their are examples of both in near history, with them being a literal daily risk in some areas of America. That isn't hyperbole, either.

I think most people here that own/carry/intend their guns for a self defense role do it because they want the personal responsibility of the protection of them and theirs. Since we as s society cannot rely on government forces, some choose to make that choice themselves.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

My Spirit Otter posted:

Banning guns based on how scary they look has been how canada has been doing things since the 90s and somehow we get by

Cool. America isn't Canada, and our cultures have always been wildly different particularly in the arena of guns. Using it as an example is just as disingenuous as the Anti-GC touting the Swiss.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

My Spirit Otter posted:

I wouldnt say wildly different, the biggest difference between canada and the us is that we didnt make guns a national identity

I agree to a point, but you are ignoring wholly different societal factors. Canada has Universal Healthcare, among numerous other social safety nets the US lacks. Canada doesn't make prisons a business, and then create further businesses inside prison.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

My Spirit Otter posted:

This is true, but we also have bans on guns. Do you not think corporate prisons incentivize a group of people to try to keep guns in the hands of the poor? There are a lot of problems that gun ownership solves, but those problems stem from gun ownership.

Your ban works because of the societal and cultural differences. Your ban works because it wasn't just "you can't have this"- they blocked manufacturing and importation of arms. Your country doesn't have a military industrial complex like we do. You are comparing cheese and chalk.

And I didn't say that- I was pointing out that the US government has a vested interest in keeping people in a life of crime and violence.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Somebody hosed up their SHOT Show booth.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Soylent Pudding posted:

Sounds like the perfect time to revisit the best war movie, Starship Troopers

Do yourself a favor, and watch the original theatrical trailer, then watch the film.

Look at this 2 minute lie-
https://youtu.be/C4fSO4UqR-Y

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Soylent Pudding posted:

I mean if one of the two chapters was Rico doing war crimes to civilians or the one with his Nazi propaganda course that's all you really need?

What war crime? The Skinny Raid? That was a legit military operation with orders to only destroy infrastructure and avoid enemy casualties as mich as possible. The death of the civilians would be classed as collateral damage.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Duzzy Funlop posted:

I think that's what Bulletsponge meant with "look at this 2 minute lie", my quote regarding Two Steps from Hell was regarding that fan edit. :)

That was a fan edit?
My bad. I thought it was the OG trailer.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

That Works posted:

I have no idea what's going on with this trailer stuff and am either getting wooshed or just totally out of the loop.

Anyway, here's the official original trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYuV_jGk7M

And the one I remember from back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh8qd0VKPAE

All of them are lies to what we get. Lol

The Blur version was on VHS promos, I think. I want to say I saw it, too, but am not sure.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

The horse powered logistics of the German War effort were the driving point when considering using bioweapons targeting livestock. Various countries had plans to release anthrax into livestock populations through various means. I think every country put to paper a plan of some sort to do similar, because Germany wasn't alone in being an animal driven force- most European countries were, as I recall (totally down to be corrected), until America rolled in giving every other squad a jeep and a case of chocolate. Over simplified, but not untrue. Besides helping optimize other country's production, we were untouched with the most modern industry in the world.

I just saw a short video that shared an anecdote of a German who found a disabled American truck during inland fight from Normandy. He said when he saw cake in the back, he knew they were hosed.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

In one of the MilHist threads in PYF or A/T, someone posted a short breakdown of US production in comparison that I will butcher here.
We were producing more tanks- in one factory- per month than the Germans were per year. We produced more planes per month than the Japanese did per year- we out producing our enemy in orders of magnitude.

The anecdote about Abwher went something like they showed a report to Hitler that said we were producing like 2k aircraft per month. "Nonense! If they are producing 2000 aircraft a month, then we've already lost."
Intel was wrong- we were producing 5k a month.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Your friendly reminder that every safety regulation was written in blood.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Loden Taylor posted:

With everything blowing up in SOF, how long until we find out the Air Force PJs are heavy into cockfighting or some poo poo?

They will be dirty because these are the guys they spend deployments with.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

shame on an IGA posted:

wait I need to know more about why there were IEDs and secret service at an air compressor factory

e: Someone planted five bombs in an attempt to assasinate Bob Dole? WTF

contemporary newspaper coverage

He covered this on a podcast-
It was set up to look that way, but ended up being a personal grudge and the bomb was set by a 15 year old, IIRC

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bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Already beaten on multi-fuel for the Abrams.

Historically, most conflicts observed a sort of Campaign Season, where operations would taper off due to environmental and logistical issues, so both sides are using this time to retrofit.

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