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Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


SyNack Sassimov posted:

PC Load Letter? What the gently caress does that mean :confused:

the PC needs help with... y'know... like bloodletting, but.....

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Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

Thanks Ants posted:

garbage-tier AI is unleashed on support tickets
Today I learned that the only way you can open a ticket with Citrix support now is by engaging their chatbot, which provides you buttons for canned responses in the beginning stages of the interaction. However half the time the buttons don’t render correctly and dump a bunch of json at you and even if you read through it and type the correct response it won’t continue.

When you finally do get the buttons to render on the third browser you try it helpfully vomits KB articles that have nothing to do with the error you pasted in.

Then you can actually open a ticket with the option for a human to respond.

Between their support and their price gouging and license fuckery I’m glad we’re getting rid of XenDesktop next year, hopefully I can get us off NetScaler as well.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

SyNack Sassimov posted:



Director of finance and administration, famously not departments that heavily use Microsoft Office programs.

Problem is this client is a joke of a company so there's no point forwarding to anyone and being like "shouldn't this be something this person should know how to do as part of their job?" much less "why was this a word doc to begin with" much less "this isn't in our remit, this is YOUR JOB".

I thought this was a phishing attempt.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




SyNack Sassimov posted:

Problem is this client is a joke of a company so there's no point forwarding to anyone and being like "shouldn't this be something this person should know how to do as part of their job?" much less "why was this a word doc to begin with" much less "this isn't in our remit, this is YOUR JOB".

It's a director at a client, you do what they need. Of course, since it's a director at a client you want to make sure the ticket gets assigned to someone with the requisite experience aka has the highest available billing rate. They'll need to consult their SMEs on document handling and confidentiality, which adds some more very expensive people billing 30-60 minutes each. Then once all of the proper procedures have been verified, your most expensive tech takes exactly long enough to bump the job up another billing increment. So does the person verifying their work.

Then you tell your boss how much money some dumbass at the client just made you.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Aunt Beth posted:

Today I learned that the only way you can open a ticket with Citrix support now is by engaging their chatbot, which provides you buttons for canned responses in the beginning stages of the interaction. However half the time the buttons don’t render correctly and dump a bunch of json at you and even if you read through it and type the correct response it won’t continue.

When you finally do get the buttons to render on the third browser you try it helpfully vomits KB articles that have nothing to do with the error you pasted in.

Then you can actually open a ticket with the option for a human to respond.

Between their support and their price gouging and license fuckery I’m glad we’re getting rid of XenDesktop next year, hopefully I can get us off NetScaler as well.

We are supposed to be 90% off of citrix by end of year, although we'll still have a few Netscalers around for load balancing until we can get a replacement. Won't miss this product much, but I"m not sure what we are going to is going to be a huge improvement.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
That’s the thing. The products themselves are good but Citrix is a circling the drain wreck that just keeps getting in its own way. If their support was bad but their prices were reasonable I could deal with it, but the licensing gets worse and worse every year.

What are you considering as an alternate load balancer?

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Aunt Beth posted:

That’s the thing. The products themselves are good but Citrix is a circling the drain wreck that just keeps getting in its own way. If their support was bad but their prices were reasonable I could deal with it, but the licensing gets worse and worse every year.

What are you considering as an alternate load balancer?

We were looking at F5, but that was right before that huge breach a few weeks ago.

Citrix is extra dead to me as we started rolling out their SDWAN product a few years ago, and we were something like 80 sites in, and they announced they were cutting work on the product that instant. So we were left with a bunch of hardware that now wasn't going to get updates, support was immediately gone and we still had to deploy the rest in stock because management were dinguses.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

mllaneza posted:

It's a director at a client, you do what they need. Of course, since it's a director at a client you want to make sure the ticket gets assigned to someone with the requisite experience aka has the highest available billing rate. They'll need to consult their SMEs on document handling and confidentiality, which adds some more very expensive people billing 30-60 minutes each. Then once all of the proper procedures have been verified, your most expensive tech takes exactly long enough to bump the job up another billing increment. So does the person verifying their work.

Then you tell your boss how much money some dumbass at the client just made you.

I can't believe you forgot about minimum billable hours, so even those people that chip in a ten minute overview are going to cost the client an hour.

gooby pls
May 18, 2012



“Nothing from my end”

*charges you $300*

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Fil5000 posted:

I can't believe you forgot about minimum billable hours, so even those people that chip in a ten minute overview are going to cost the client an hour.

You're right. I'll expect my bonus for this quarter to reflect my shoddy posting.

In other news, I once saw a line item on an MSP invoice for "0.25h Read an email". On a Sunday. I did not pay that item.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

It was a really long email ok?

Hotel Kpro
Feb 23, 2011

all in the reflexes


Dinosaur Gum
My AD account expired, cool cool

Didn’t want to do too much work anyway

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

mllaneza posted:

You're right. I'll expect my bonus for this quarter to reflect my shoddy posting.

In other news, I once saw a line item on an MSP invoice for "0.25h Read an email". On a Sunday. I did not pay that item.

I only bother to charge for email/slack time when the customer won't use our ticketing system. Like the guy who will raise a ticket, then slack you to organise a call

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Two weeks ago:
A customer, apparently under new management, calls us to troubleshoot something with their phones. Turns out not to be the Avaya system we sold them ages ago, but some completely new VOIP phones from a competitor that are nothing to do with us. The staff only called us because they're used to calling us for phone stuff. We politely tell them that if they're moving to another company's service that's fine but it's not really our problem if they are having trouble getting it to work.

Last week:
The customer asks us how to forward their main number in the existing system to an outside line (a temp number for the new phone service they're moving to). Fine, we forward it for them.
We get a few emails from various "IT" and management people there who don't seem to have a great grasp on what they're doing, the upshot of which is that they're trying to get their phone number moved to a new provider.
We tell them they just need to talk to the new provider, who should be able to arrange having the number ported. Still pretty sure no one there understands how any of this works.

Yesterday:
We get a very curt email from the boss of the company telling us that they are moving to a new provider and that their service with us is to be terminated EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
I have a look at their system and it is very much still live with calls coming in on our trunk and being forwarded out.
I explain the situation to my boss who cackles only slightly and tells me to just turn off the trunk first thing in the morning and we'll see how long it takes them to call us.

8am Today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQk7dJ6y0Xs&t=43s

Today, approx 40 minutes after customer's opening time:
The exact phone call expected.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Entropic posted:

Two weeks ago:
A customer, apparently under new management, calls us to troubleshoot something with their phones. Turns out not to be the Avaya system we sold them ages ago, but some completely new VOIP phones from a competitor that are nothing to do with us. The staff only called us because they're used to calling us for phone stuff. We politely tell them that if they're moving to another company's service that's fine but it's not really our problem if they are having trouble getting it to work.

Last week:
The customer asks us how to forward their main number in the existing system to an outside line (a temp number for the new phone service they're moving to). Fine, we forward it for them.
We get a few emails from various "IT" and management people there who don't seem to have a great grasp on what they're doing, the upshot of which is that they're trying to get their phone number moved to a new provider.
We tell them they just need to talk to the new provider, who should be able to arrange having the number ported. Still pretty sure no one there understands how any of this works.

Yesterday:
We get a very curt email from the boss of the company telling us that they are moving to a new provider and that their service with us is to be terminated EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
I have a look at their system and it is very much still live with calls coming in on our trunk and being forwarded out.
I explain the situation to my boss who cackles only slightly and tells me to just turn off the trunk first thing in the morning and we'll see how long it takes them to call us.

8am Today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQk7dJ6y0Xs&t=43s

Today, approx 40 minutes after customer's opening time:
The exact phone call expected.

Haha, let them stew

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


You can’t help some people, so you just make sure cya rules are followed and do exactly what they asked for

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

tactlessbastard posted:

Haha, let them stew

I was out on another job this morning and we had no one else at the office at the time who knows the telephony stuff, so yeah, they had to wait a few hours till I got back to un-push the button.

Thanks Ants posted:

You can’t help some people, so you just make sure cya rules are followed and do exactly what they asked for

We were extremely kind to them IMO in that we didn't do what they technically asked for (cancel their service entirely, potentially having them lose the phone number and not be able to get it back) and instead just turned off a switch that was easy to turn back on again.

my cat is norris
Mar 11, 2010

#onecallcat

Entropic posted:

We were extremely kind to them IMO in that we didn't do what they technically asked for (cancel their service entirely, potentially having them lose the phone number and not be able to get it back) and instead just turned off a switch that was easy to turn back on again.

The best way to handle it, imo. You still provide both what they asked for AND a rapid-fire solution when they realize their oops. They get to be embarrassed; you get saved a ton of work.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 23, 2011

all in the reflexes


Dinosaur Gum
I called the tech support of the vendor of one of our X-ray machines to see if they knew how to set up domain login for the software. They said they had no idea and couldn’t even provide where to look in the manual. It ended up being four mouse clicks then selecting ldap in a drop-down.

Right now I’ve been waiting an hour for someone to move an inbox into the top 120 inboxes otherwise the ekg machine will never see it

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Hotel Kpro posted:

move an inbox into the top 120 inboxes otherwise the ekg machine will never see it

we live in the future

the future is weird

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Renegret posted:

we live in the future

the future is weird

The future is the same as the past, except now the machines are 20 years old (instead of 10) and the software to run them was written 30 years ago.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

MF_James posted:

the software to run them was written 30 years ago.
This is now a competitive advantage because that software was written by humans, tested by humans, and isn’t some vibe coded tested in the field AI-shoehorned slop.

A Frosty Witch
Apr 21, 2005

I was just looking at it and I suddenly got this urge to get inside. No, not just an urge - more than that. It was my destiny to be here; in the box.
A user sent an email to the VP of IT complaining about the lack of service she's getting from my team. I went to investigate and found the ticket. She's not getting calls on her work issued phone at home, but it works fine when she isn't at home. I found that we have attempted to call her like 7 times, but her phone literally never rings, just goes directly to VM. She's verified her number with us and will email every few days demanding we call her to help her with her issue. She refuses to call us when we suggest she give us a call when she isn't at her home.

I finally gave her my direct number and asked her to reach out to me. A few days later she emailed me back:

:v: I'm not going to do that. I keep my phone in a Faraday cage when I'm at home because I don't want the Israelis hacking my info.

I just forwarded that email to the VP as a mystery solved :shrug:

Sywert of Thieves
Nov 7, 2005

The pirate code is really more of a guideline, than actual rules.

I was not ready for that last bit, holy crap. :tinfoil:

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.

A Frosty Witch posted:

She refuses to call us when we suggest she give us a call when she isn't at her home.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box



Dog is still smarter than Witch's user in this case.

Weedle
May 31, 2006

this house is full of madness



yeah this is my anti-israel faraday cage. i call it the Iron Dome

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Didn't know Witch worked with MTG.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


If there was anybody who needed to read Mickens' "Mossad or not-Mossad" piece, it is this lady. I unironically think you should forward it to her:

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf

my cat is norris
Mar 11, 2010

#onecallcat

witch, you consistently have the most entertaining stories.

if anyone else got nostalgic and wants to go back to read some of the original tv station horrors, the saga begins here..

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


A Frosty Witch posted:

A user sent an email to the VP of IT complaining about the lack of service she's getting from my team. I went to investigate and found the ticket. She's not getting calls on her work issued phone at home, but it works fine when she isn't at home. I found that we have attempted to call her like 7 times, but her phone literally never rings, just goes directly to VM. She's verified her number with us and will email every few days demanding we call her to help her with her issue. She refuses to call us when we suggest she give us a call when she isn't at her home.

I finally gave her my direct number and asked her to reach out to me. A few days later she emailed me back:

:v: I'm not going to do that. I keep my phone in a Faraday cage when I'm at home because I don't want the Israelis hacking my info.

I just forwarded that email to the VP as a mystery solved :shrug:

girl what the gently caress

MrYenko
Jun 17, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Being savvy enough to know about and construct or purchase a faraday cage, but then not being able to put the pieces together on why it keeps you from getting calls is some serious management material.

Promote ahead of peers.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


People that paranoid are never cool about it, they should be taking it seriously like Gene Hackman's character in Enemy of the State.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

A Frosty Witch posted:

A user sent an email to the VP of IT complaining about the lack of service she's getting from my team. I went to investigate and found the ticket. She's not getting calls on her work issued phone at home, but it works fine when she isn't at home. I found that we have attempted to call her like 7 times, but her phone literally never rings, just goes directly to VM. She's verified her number with us and will email every few days demanding we call her to help her with her issue. She refuses to call us when we suggest she give us a call when she isn't at her home.

I finally gave her my direct number and asked her to reach out to me. A few days later she emailed me back:

:v: I'm not going to do that. I keep my phone in a Faraday cage when I'm at home because I don't want the Israelis hacking my info.

I just forwarded that email to the VP as a mystery solved :shrug:
I have to ask, is she also keeping her personal phone in the Faraday cage at home or is she just protecting work's secretss from Mossad?

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Blucifer will feed again
To be fair, which country does she live in?

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

A Frosty Witch posted:

A user sent an email to the VP of IT complaining about the lack of service she's getting from my team. I went to investigate and found the ticket. She's not getting calls on her work issued phone at home, but it works fine when she isn't at home. I found that we have attempted to call her like 7 times, but her phone literally never rings, just goes directly to VM. She's verified her number with us and will email every few days demanding we call her to help her with her issue. She refuses to call us when we suggest she give us a call when she isn't at her home.

I finally gave her my direct number and asked her to reach out to me. A few days later she emailed me back:

:v: I'm not going to do that. I keep my phone in a Faraday cage when I'm at home because I don't want the Israelis hacking my info.

I just forwarded that email to the VP as a mystery solved :shrug:

Before everyone byod devices for work phones, one of our teams had a shared cell phone for on call. They would only charge it on Monday and the battery would run out by Tuesday morning, so they'd ignore it all week. They didn't get many calls on it, so no one noticed for awhile, but then it was down for an actual outage and the on call person was out drinking. They missed multiple calls and tried to blame everyone else. Turns out they only had a single charger and left it at the office.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
We have a shared cell phone for on call. Because none of us can be bothered to carry two phones we just leave it on one person’s desk and they forward it to whoever is on call that week. We then mask our number on our personal phones to return calls if need be.

Genius and insanity are two sides of the same coin.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Are you only on-call during business hours?

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




Went on a little trip down memory lane and found this ticket that I got 11 years ago, at my previous job:

quote:

I HAVE IN CALENDAR WEEK HAD A TECHNICIAN ONSITE BUT
THE ERROR IS NOT BEEN CORRECTED. THE PC IS RUNNING BUT
NOT MORE
ABOUT WLAN. ANYTHING BUT ALSO AGREES WITH THE PC NOT.
THE INTERNET IS RUNNING OVER THE PHONE DOES NOT WORK.
JUST BECAUSE
YOU ARE PHONE OR INTERNET WHL. TELEPHONE SPECIALISTS
OF ENGINEERS WANTED TO LORD OVER GUNTHER.
SEND THE BASS.
BUT NO CAME.

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Cool Dad
Jun 15, 2007

Look out, here come my posts
I'm too high for this

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