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its very tedious to have to explain this to people irl because they're always like "yeah people have always been afraid of automation, they'll just find other jobs" and they dont really have the desire, patience or background to understand the difference beween, say, robot welders on a car assembly line and a general-purpose AI.
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akadajet posted:after playing with chatgpt I’m pretty sure my programming career is safe played with copilot at all?
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Jan 9, 2023 19:52
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like no its not replacing us today but if you can't see it on the horizon you need glasses
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:
should be but typically aint.
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akadajet posted:can I feed it design mockups and have it implement everything? no, but automation rarely automates every step of the process first. It absolutely writes common code for you, and by 'writes' of course I mean "steals from people who open-sourced their projects".
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Jan 9, 2023 21:31
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again:rotor posted:like no its not replacing us today but if you can't see it on the horizon you need glasses
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Jan 9, 2023 21:32
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akadajet posted:I think you're wrong. yeah? well I think you're wrong!!
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Jan 9, 2023 22:14
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:there is literally no way they can be worse than human-produced tests is the thing yeah like i think people tend to forget just how low the bar is for replacing human programmers
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Jan 9, 2023 22:15
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yeah i think that ok its yospos and computers are bad and its all jokes but i think people sometimes need to take a moment and consider that maybe computers are an important factor in everyones life and whether that was a good idea or not, its a fact and we should at some point try to at least some approximation of a civil engineers sense of public responsibility
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i typed that whole thing on my phone so if it doesnt make any sense its tim cooks fault
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Jan 10, 2023 04:36
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echinopsis posted:before computers people in my job had to manually typewriter every drug label and also record every single drug entry into a big loving book and hand write all god drat day good
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Jan 10, 2023 04:55
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polyester concept posted:so far it seems like ai can only do variations of what already exists. you still need somebody familiar with the requirements and limitations of the project to be able to determine if the ai generated code is useful. in the not too distant future i can see a lot of developer jobs shifting towards guiding an ai towards a specific goal by defining input parameters. when ai can replace that job, then we’re in trouble i mean like 10 years ago if someone had told me I'd be able to say "produce an image of galdalf riding a giant duck in the style of vincent van gogh" and it would produce such an image I'd have said you were nuts. Given the immense fiscal rewards for making a machine that takes input of, for instance, UML diagrams and natural language requirements, I dont see how we wont see something like that in 10 years.
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Jan 10, 2023 05:45
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The Management posted:put another way, they are good at emulating language. they are not capable of emulating thought. yes, and they will absolutely replace a bunch of programmers writing code where quality doesnt matter as well. As an interesting thought experiment, how many programmers would you say that represents, as a fraction of the total?
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Jan 10, 2023 05:47
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fart simpson posted:"given the immense fiscal rewards for making a car that drives itself, i don't see how we won't see something like that in 10 years" if a corporation had the programmer equivalent of Tesla FSD in 10 years they will absolutely be shoving that crap into production as fast as they could
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Jan 10, 2023 05:49
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Beeftweeter posted:i think you're overestimating how high the bar for "good enough" is this is the unassailable foundation upon which i have chosen to build my fortress of rhetoric
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Jan 10, 2023 06:07
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fart simpson posted:im just saying that some of the things that seem doable end up being really hard, and other things that seem hard end up doable. maybe copilot 3000 wont end up being good enough to make a real dent but yeah maybe, idk, im not fuckin Kreskin over here
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Jan 10, 2023 06:09
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like i dont think there's suddenly going to be zero programmers. I just think that vast swathes of them that are working on vanilla predictable business database skins will be put out of work in favor of a few people who know how to put all this poo poo using ai generated code.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:35
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git apologist posted:those people will be redirected to yet another worthless and annoying task that doesn’t need to be done another worthless and annoying task that pays far less and allows money to accumulate more readily in the hands of the already wealthy
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Jan 10, 2023 06:47
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Beeftweeter posted:because the output is based upon prior work i'm not convinced it can come up with something truly original. in that sense looking at generated text is pretty instructive, i.e. you can see that, for example, in this style of writing this sequence of words is generally used with this lexical structure and these subjects usually go with these terms, etc. most of the big money makers in the tech world have not made all their money because of their unique code.
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fart simpson posted:i mean honestly, how often are things completely invented from the ground up? mashing together existing things in new combinations is probably most of originality anyway
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fart simpson posted:interesting placement of negatives in this sentence structure i'm full of gummi bears
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Jan 10, 2023 07:22
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:don't know much about law, but suspect that this is the same sort of deal as in programming where people automatically think about the 2% of the time when one is writing actually important core logic/algorithm code, which wont get automated because it is both the interesting and most important part. as opposed to the other 98% which is dreary repetitive stuff which takes all the longer and has more errors because it is dreary and repetitive. idk poo poo about the field but I suspect liability will be a serious issue here and the first couple times an AI produces an inaccurate summary or makes up case law out of whole cloth there will be some fireworks.
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thats the bar for a permaban??
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tired: numberwang wired: tormentnexus
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