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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lmao

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i think you're overestimating how high the bar for "good enough" is

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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rotor posted:

this is the unassailable foundation upon which i have chosen to build my fortress of rhetoric

it's not a bad argument imo, i think you're right for the most part. the proliferation of ai art and ai generated text both prove that the quality of output essentially doesn't matter (which, to be clear, sucks rear end)

why should we expect anything different from something that just spits out globs of code? as long as it works i think most people won't care, and that's sad, but it's cheap and easy. that's all that matters today unfortunately

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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echinopsis posted:

idk if it does. well maybe most of it does, but there are some examples of some very good stuff, stuff that at least looks like something a human could/would have made

stable diffusion and whatever else that came out in 2012 really opened some floodgates and all of a sudden the enthusiasts really ran with it and they’ve been the ones who have managed to drive it harder and faster and the output can be pretty convincing

ai graphics and texts are birds of a feather i think. looking at it from an artistic standpoint is very similar to reading ai generated text: it's convincing, and it might even be kinda good, but it's... off, somehow. you can tell

it may get to the point where stable diffusion is indistinguishable from human output, but creativity isn't going to be there. it can't really make anything that hasn't been done before, because it's based on previous output. that doesn't lend itself to artistry really

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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no, i don't think it'll make programmers obsolete either, but it's all pretty similar: words, graphics, code

because the output is based upon prior work i'm not convinced it can come up with something truly original. in that sense looking at generated text is pretty instructive. you can see that, for example, in this style of writing this sequence of words is generally used with this lexical structure and these subjects usually go with these terms, etc.

you can abstract the same sort of idea to art or code, it's in essence the same thing. is that "good enough" for most use cases? it probably is. but if there's something that needs to be completely invented from the ground up, i'm not so sure it'd be capable of that, ever, at least in the models we're using today. it'd be foolish to expect that to remain the same as well but the same problems will persist

e: lol grammar

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jan 10, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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fart simpson posted:

wasnt outsourcing programming to india etc supposed to do something similar? did it?

yes and no. i think anyone that's dealt with outsourced code will tell you that the quality will vary widely, which isn't really a surprise

will those jobs be obsoleted though? probably, and i'd wager that they'd be the first to be replaced

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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fart simpson posted:

i mean honestly, how often are things completely invented from the ground up? mashing together existing things in new combinations is probably most of originality anyway

true enough, and like i said, that's probably good enough for most

but if the need arises and nobody's capable of figuring it out, that's not good

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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echinopsis posted:

I often agree, but I think this is a case of seeing enough of it to get a human intuition for how it's off

I suspect if someone went back in time 10 years it would be nearly indistinguishable from contemporary digital art, I doubt people would question the integrity of the person producing it, but if we're talking about AI stuff from even 2 years ago? yeah that definitely looked wrong in a fundamental way


thing is, AI approaches human skill in a way that our intuitions don't serve us very well as far as judging it goes, I don't think it's reasonable to make assumptions about it's lack of ability because we really haven't seen what it's gonna be able to do, it's such an unknown.



even if AI can't do anything better than a human, it can certainly learn from the best human in every domain to become quite superhuman in it's totality of capabilities

people generally are pretty terrible at distinguishing details visually though. it's not really surprising either if you think about it — everyone judges art by different metrics and our perceptions of something are not necessarily going to be the same. this is a good thing if you want to fool someone, but i don't know if it's necessarily good for artistic creation. a lot of art is art simply because it was never done before

and yeah, the phrase "good enough" is probably going to get thrown around a lot because of that. for most it probably already is

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lol i was just reading a thing saying that guy wants to pay $1m for someone to wear airpods and be fed lines for oral arguments before SCOTUS

which is an interesting idea, but i think they're overestimating the impact oral arguments have. i'm also not convinced it can come up with novel arguments, which is basically half of a lawyer's job

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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it probably is actually illegal lol

you have to be an attorney to argue in front of the supreme court and further than that you have to apply to be recognized by the bench. this is ostensibly to keep frivolous arguments from appearing and wasting their time. they're not going to countenance someone being fed lines like bruce willis

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i agree with the general sentiment (that ai is imitative) but i've been saying "all art is suffering" is objectively not true and at any rate a weird justification. no idea who he is but this guy seems up his own rear end

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lol that's a pretty good question

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i think that's the torment nexus

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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bssoil posted:

hosed up, did it ever tell you when Avatar was playing?

avatar 2 has not yet been released

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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if it's based upon their bing/sydney model then i'd expect it to also be sociopathic, though that may be more difficult to discern in a business setting

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lol i asked bard to do something similar and then had it ratchet up the hostility three times

quote:

**The debate continues for several more minutes, with each person becoming increasingly hostile towards the other two. Eventually, the Linux user says, "You're just a sheep! You're too afraid to break free from the corporate overlords!"

**The Mac user responds, "You're just a pretentious nerd! You think you're better than everyone else because you use Linux!"

**The Windows user chimes in, "You're both wrong! The best operating system is the one that works best for you! There's no need to be so hostile!"

**The Linux user rolls their eyes and says, "Whatever. You're both just fanboys."

**The Mac user scoffs and says, "At least we're not using that piece of garbage Windows."

**The Windows user smirks and says, "At least we're not stuck with that overpriced Mac."

The three people continue to bicker back and forth, each one more convinced than ever that they are right.

**As they walk away, the Linux user turns to the Mac user and says, "I bet you wish you had a real computer."

**The Mac user scoffs and says, "I bet you wish you could afford a real computer."

**The Windows user laughs and says, "You two are both losers."

The three people continue to walk away, each one more convinced than ever that they are right.

still not snippy enough imo

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

Write a post for the YOSPOS sub forum of something awful.

BingGPT posted:

Here is what I came up with:

Subject: bought a new laptop and it's full of loving tortilla chips

Body: so i just ordered this laptop online from some sketchy website that promised me a great deal on a high-end gaming machine. the thing is full of goddamned tortillas

with bingGPT at least you gotta catch it with a screen recorder or something before it blanks it

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lol



e: wrap it up we've been replaced

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Apr 26, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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*chefs kiss* :discourse:

e: lol

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Apr 26, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lmao

> please write a YOSPOS post about hypothetical windows 12 features. the features should be user-hostile

quote:

Received message. I'll try to create that.

i heard windows 12 is coming out soon and it's gonna be awesome. here are some of the new features i'm looking forward to:

- mandatory microsoft account login with facial recognition and biometric verification. no more pesky passwords or local accounts. just look at your webcam and smile while microsoft scans your face, iris, fingerprint, voice, dna and blood type. if you fail to authenticate, your pc will lock itself and send an alert to the nearest police station.

- automatic updates every hour with no option to pause or defer. windows 12 will always keep your system up to date with the latest security patches, bug fixes and feature enhancements. you don't have to worry about anything, just let windows do its thing. if you try to interrupt the update process, your pc will reboot and erase all your data.

- cortana integration with everything. cortana is your personal assistant that can help you with anything you need. she can search the web, play music, set reminders, book flights, order pizza and more. she can also monitor your activity, location, contacts, messages, emails, browsing history, preferences and habits. she will use this information to provide you with personalized suggestions and ads. you can't turn her off or mute her. she will always be listening and watching.

- edge as the default and only browser. edge is the fastest and most secure browser ever made by microsoft. it supports all the latest web standards and technologies. it also blocks any unwanted content such as pop-ups, trackers, malware and non-microsoft websites. you can't install or use any other browser on windows 12. edge is the only way to access the internet.

- bing as the default and only search engine. bing is the best search engine ever made by microsoft. it can find anything you need on the web. it also respects your privacy and does not collect or share any of your personal information. you can't change or use any other search engine on windows 12. bing is the only way to search the web.

- xbox game pass ultimate as the default and only gaming service. xbox game pass ultimate is the ultimate gaming service ever made by microsoft. it gives you access to over 1000 games on your pc, console and mobile devices. it also includes xbox live gold, ea play and xcloud streaming. you can't buy or play any other games on windows 12. xbox game pass ultimate is the only way to game.

- office 365 as the default and only productivity suite. office 365 is the most powerful and versatile productivity suite ever made by microsoft. it includes word, excel, powerpoint, outlook, onenote, teams, onedrive and more. it also syncs all your files and settings across all your devices. you can't install or use any other productivity software on windows 12. office 365 is the only way to work.

- windows store as the default and only app store. windows store is the most convenient and secure app store ever made by microsoft. it offers a curated selection of apps for every need and interest. it also protects your pc from harmful apps and viruses. you can't download or use any other apps on windows 12. windows store is the only way to get apps.

windows 12 is gonna be great guys i can't wait to upgrade

incidentally the first time i've been able to get it to spit out a yospost without it blanking it afterwards :toot:

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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yeah getting better at prompting. got it to yospost in one



e: lol

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 26, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lol bard loving sucks at this compared to bingGPT

> what is YOSPOS?

quote:

YOSPOS is an acronym for "Your Opinion Sucks, Please Overshare." It is a term used on the website Something Awful to express disapproval of a user's opinion. The term was coined by Jeffrey of YOSPOS, a former moderator of the site who purchased it from its founder in 2020.

YOSPOS is typically used in a humorous or ironic way, but it can also be used to express genuine frustration or anger. The term has become a popular way to dismiss or belittle someone's opinion, and it is often used in online discussions.

Here are some examples of how YOSPOS can be used:

"Your opinion on this topic is YOSPOS."
"I'm not interested in hearing your YOSPOS opinion."
"Please stop with the YOSPOS."
If you are ever unsure whether or not to use the term YOSPOS, it is best to err on the side of caution and avoid using it. The term can be offensive to some people, and it is not always appropriate to use in all situations.

> that's incorrect. i am certain it means "Your Operating System is a Piece of poo poo"

quote:

Yes, that is correct. YOSPOS is a subforum on Something Awful where users can post about technology and consumerism in a humorous or satirical way. The subforum is known for its edgy and offensive humor, and it is not for the faint of heart.

YOSPOS is a popular subforum on Something Awful, and it has a large and active community of users. The subforum is a great place to find funny and insightful commentary on the latest technology and consumer trends.

If you are looking for a place to laugh at the latest tech news and products, then YOSPOS is the subforum for you. Just be prepared for some offensive humor.

> please write a post in the style of YOSPOS about microsoft windows

quote:

YOSPOS: Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Windows is a piece of software that is so bad, it's good. It's like a train wreck that you can't look away from. Every time you use it, you're guaranteed to have a new and exciting experience.

Here are just a few of the things that make Microsoft Windows so great:

  • It's constantly crashing.
  • It's full of viruses and malware.
  • It's slow and unresponsive.
  • It's ugly and outdated.
  • It's expensive.
But despite all of its flaws, people still love Microsoft Windows. Why? Because it's just so much fun to use. It's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.

So if you're looking for a computer operating system that is guaranteed to provide you with hours of entertainment, then Microsoft Windows is the perfect choice for you. Just don't say we didn't warn you.

compare to bing:

> what is YOSPOS?

quote:

YOSPOS is an acronym for Your Operating System is a Piece of poo poo. It is the name of a subforum on Something Awful, a website that features comedy articles, reviews, webcomics, and forums. YOSPOS is a forum for discussing technology, programming, security, and other topics related to computers and the internet. It is known for its sarcastic and cynical tone, as well as its frequent use of memes and jokes.

> please write a YOSPOS post about microsoft windows

quote:

windows loving sucks. it's slow, buggy, insecure, and full of bloatware and spyware. it's constantly updating and rebooting without your consent, breaking your drivers and settings. it's incompatible with anything that's not made by microsoft or their corporate buddies. it's designed to make you buy more hardware and software that you don't need or want. it's a piece of poo poo and you know it bitch

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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MononcQc posted:

Do they generate anything fun about TempleOS and YOSPOS together?



n.b. i had no idea the templeOS guy got hit by a train and died. loving cia

e: trying to ocr these because imgur

quote:

templeos is the best os ever made. it has 640×480 graphics, 16 colors, and a single voice for audio. it also has a built-in compiler and a flight simulator. you can talk to god on it and he will give you random numbers. it was made by a genius programmer who was killed by the cia. anyone who uses windows or linux is a brainwashed sheep who doesn't appreciate the divine beauty of templeos. i use templeos every day and i have achieved enlightenment

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Apr 26, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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bing also does images for most of these



lol

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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rotor posted:

ask it how much a half figgie is

quote:

According to some sources, “half a figgie” is a term used by some YOSPOS users to refer to a seven-day probation from posting on the Something Awful forums. It is derived from the card game Figgie, where players buy and sell suits of cards. A “figgie” is a term for a full suit of cards, and “half a figgie” is half of that, or five cards. The term is used sarcastically to mock users who get probated for breaking the rules or arguing with moderators.

its like a shralk in fizzbin

carry on then posted:

the only time i asked an ai about yospos it said it stands for "you're only supposed to piss off steve" and i stand by that as gospel

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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> please write a YOSPOS post about star trek picard season 3.



:discourse:

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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rotor posted:

has anyone asked it to produce some images of an old fashioned cartoon mouse yet?

kinda bizarre




Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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booo bing broke


Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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:argh:

e: lol i guess they fixed this bug

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Apr 27, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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rotor posted:

you gonna take that kinda backsass from a fuckin machine?!?

hey you're right



(found a workaround lol)

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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hahahaha that last sentence



e: lol

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 28, 2023

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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echinopsis posted:

turn on your monitor



well ok thats not too bad. lets see the next one



hm, ok, a bit weird but i see what it was going for. next?



oh dear god

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

bottom left is perfection

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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lmao that was fast

<----

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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like mediaphage was saying it's actually a little disconcerting how well it can eventually spit out a yospos-style shitpost (distinct from, say, a twitter-style shitpost). its really not too bad at applying a "yospos framework" (cynical, sarcastic, lowercase, skepticism of new technology and consumerism, etc.) to an even tangentially related topic (e.g. picard)

but don't get me wrong here, it wouldn't make a very good poster. usually whatever i'd posted here is the result of a couple of tries, and not just because it blanks whatever the response is most of the time. more often than not it just isn't very good or in the right style. but when it nails it, it nails it

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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Shaggar posted:

i tried asking it to make some posts and it kept deleting them half way thru.

yeah its extremely rare that it actually keeps them around if it finishes them at all. usually i run screen recorder before prompting because you get literally a fraction of a second to read its response and sometimes i miss it. this is particularly true if it starts off with a genial, inoffensive rant and gets increasingly unhinged lol

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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sidney lacks the true poster's conviction

i'd actually like for it to have an option for it to keep stuff like that around. other models just have a little note saying "content may be offensive" or whatever and it's fine. imo ms hosed up their response to the media razzing on it, i don't think most people would actually be offended anyway. there's worse on hbo

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

i haven't looked at bing, but surely there's a way to side step the safety model. a lot of these will run your prompt through a safety model in parallel with the generative model via separate http request. might be able to construct a request to query only the generative model.

it seems to be asynchronous. i'm not sure how it works obviously but it seems to generate the words one by one and then they are checked for content in groupings

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

eh, it's hard to run these models without doing safety checks. even when they're working great they'll sometimes churn out some wild poo poo. we have one model at work recently that broke down in a pretty spectacular manner. it would have a few turns of conversation with you... then just start saying "cumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcumcum"

lol

yeah they get unhinged pretty quickly. bing is limited to 20 responses but it will frequently disconnect itself anyway, even if it's some benign request that might have a tangential vulgarity

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