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Felt a little odd that Ellie was cut so much slack & freedom to ignore (reasonable) direct orders & do whatever she wanted on patrols. In the game it would make sense as by the time we reach this point she would have wiped out hundreds of infected & probably killed fitty men, but we see while competent she’s not their best hand to hand fighter or best shooter, or command of a loyal subfaction, so makes less sense that would be shrugged off. Especially as doing whatever in a situation where survival is tenuous would at least enrage the other patrol members, as it would be so easy to tip off a horde or leave an obvious trail for raiders to follow.
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Apr 15, 2025 01:09
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Alan Smithee posted:dina is almost a little too charismatic Yeah she’s making up for Bella’s boring screen presence.
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Apr 15, 2025 01:38
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Alan Smithee posted:dina is almost a little too charismatic This is me. Pretend I made this post.
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Apr 15, 2025 01:53
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Where are all these refugees coming from? I thought the whole point was to pretend to be this spooky zone of death and doom across the river with planet of the apes scarecrows to keep people away. Now there's wagon trains of people showing up.
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Apr 15, 2025 02:37
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banned from Starbucks posted:Where are all these refugees coming from? I thought the whole point was to pretend to be this spooky zone of death and doom across the river with planet of the apes scarecrows to keep people away. Now there's wagon trains of people showing up. Word gets around over time about a utopian society thriving in Wyoming.
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Apr 15, 2025 02:40
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I'm very curious to see how people I know watch the show but don't know the game will take Joel's death. The opening scene with Abby worried me because they put her motivation and goal right up front but, as people have persuasively stated, that's because I know the game. I can absolutely see non-gamers just thinking "she's the season two bad guy." Can't wait to see it play out.
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Apr 15, 2025 02:47
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I’m not really sure I get the complaints about the opening scene. The game also had you playing Abby near the very beginning and made it clear she was hunting Joel. It didn’t diminish the shock at all there. The only thing that’s changed is we now know why she wants him dead from the start. Which makes sense since saving that reveal for the same point in the narrative as in the game would be holding it off until season 3, which I don’t think would work too well. I think Bella lacks a bit of the charisma that Ashley Johnson’s take on the character always had, even in her worst moments, but she’s not bad. They bring the ferocity and the dorkiness, which I think are a bit more crucial to the narrative. It’s hard not to imagine how Cailee Spaeny would have been in the role after watching Romulus simply because they made her look so similar to TLOU2’s version of the character but I don’t think it’s a sure thing she would have been better. She can be charismatic and heroically badass, but I don’t know if she could have been as much of a nerd or as scarily feral as Bella. Even when they were a kid, Ramsay was great at portraying a sense of wild rage that was only just being controlled. Audiences love Pedro so much that I think they’ll be right there with Bella in wanting revenge, even if she doesn’t have typical Hollywood charisma. They’ll need her to be terrifying to drive home that maybe they shouldn’t be fully on her side. In that sense, I think Bella is the right choice for the role.
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Apr 15, 2025 03:55
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I just started the second season's first episode with no reading on the casting or anything. Man they cast her as Abby? I know its a flashback and she's not supposed to be rugged or buff yet but still, if they progress this fast enough I dont see the actress being able to put on some muscle. Why, that was a huge part of Abby's character development.
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Apr 15, 2025 04:22
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I doubt they had her do the Spartacus regimen or whatever after filming that scene. Its just not gonna be part of the character probably
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Apr 15, 2025 04:38
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They have said outright that she is not gonna be swole on this show. It's gonna be a different approach to her character.
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Apr 15, 2025 04:39
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Am I to believe that Kaitlyn dever can explode a man’s head with her biceps like story of Riki Oh?
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I was thinking more of the Terminator 2 Sarah Connor development lol but point understood about them taking a different route
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Apr 15, 2025 04:43
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Eau de MacGowan posted:i think they stopped caring at that point. as far as they know, abby's dad was the only one who could extract ellie's brain to make the cure. he's dead so there's no need/point to find ellie. they just wanted to take joel to the pga tour for, you know, dooming humanity. They basically said as much in this episode. They were cutting each other off, but basically said getting Ellie back wouldn't matter anyway since doctor was killed.
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Apr 15, 2025 05:35
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Henchman of Santa posted:They have said outright that she is not gonna be swole on this show. It's gonna be a different approach to her character. she's gonna bonk joel on the head with her feeble, weak noodle arms and the golf club is going to fly out of her pitiful, unswole hands. shameful.
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Rabid Snake posted:I just started the second season's first episode with no reading on the casting or anything. Man they cast her as Abby? I know its a flashback and she's not supposed to be rugged or buff yet but still, if they progress this fast enough I dont see the actress being able to put on some muscle. Yeah yeah and all the sweaties were pissed off that episode 3 last season did a soft retcon of Bill and Frank's backstory and literally no regular people gave 2 shits about it and that episode was the highlight of a very good season of television. I swear sometimes this is the worst thread with the worst takes.
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Apr 15, 2025 06:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:I can't comprehend the people who finished that game multiple times, I did it once and it was so draining that I don't feel the need to play it again. The first one I could replay down the road potentially. I finished it and immediately played it again. That was a bad time for me, and I like to escape into scenarios that are so horrible they make my problems look easy to handle.
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Apr 15, 2025 06:49
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Fiendish_Ghoul posted:I finished it and immediately played it again. That was a bad time for me, and I like to escape into scenarios that are so horrible they make my problems look easy to handle. I beat the game in one marathon sitting before most of my friends were on even on Ellie Day 3. I've beaten it in full about 14 times now.
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Apr 15, 2025 07:29
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It’s insanely fun to lay explosive traps for the wlfs. They can call out their friends all they want, I’m gonna keep laying them traps
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I’ve finished it I think four times now. The combat encounters are top tier and insanely fun. The story is dark but engrossing and I suppose I sit through it for the same reasons I am watching the show. It’s an extremely compelling drama. Enough people ask how someone could sit through it again that I have to assume watching the story unfold borderline traumatizes them in a way that spills outside of the time they watch the game. I can definitely understand the question from that angle. If that was the case for me, I absolutely wouldn’t ever revisit it. But I guess I just compartmentalize my emotions related entertainment? I can feel on the verge of tears playing a game or watching a show and be happy five seconds after I’ve turned it off in the way I never could after reading awful poo poo in the news.
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Apr 15, 2025 08:42
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Yeah, I avoided it on release purely because I never actually cared much about the first one. I picked it up dirt cheap in a PSN sale a couple of years later, rinsed it, and immediately played all the way through again, it really surprised me how great it was. Going Rambo on the WLF with explosive arrows, Abby punching the poo poo out of everything, her bromance with Lev, loved it.
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Apr 15, 2025 10:45
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IT BURNS posted:I could barely get through this first episode. Bella Ramsey is unwatchable and her meanmugging the camera/girlbossing everything at every opportunity is terrible. Having someone who is 5'1" and 105-lb subduing an opponent foot taller and 120 lbs heavier is ridiculous.  zelah posted:Bella Ramsey is really good as Ellie. Sometimes people are ugly and that’s just how life is. It seems exhausting to be mad about it. is ... the connection between these two sentences here that Ramsay is supposed to be ugly? because a massive if so
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Apr 15, 2025 13:31
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A 19 year old girl raised in a dystopian hellscape who brutally murdered a man with a meat cleaver at the age of 14 and knows she is probably the only hope of survival for the species is a little hosed in the head from trauma and acting out goons: "why does she have such a chip on her shoulder????" I never played the games, I don't care about the games, season 1 was terrific and this was a great start to season 2
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Apr 15, 2025 13:53
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Show good, got me playing the second game. Wonder how much Seattle will be in the show
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ulvir posted:
Fwiw I read it as people (plural) are acting in an ugly way about Ellie/Bella and it's exhausting to get too hung up on those people. If it is the other thing though then yikes. stev fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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Tender Bender posted:Her overconfident overcompensating schtick definitely hit a lot better when she was the lone kid on a journey in over her head. Less so when she's just another person in this huge town of people who have all seen some poo poo and are just trying to get by. Man can you just follow the loving rules instead of being an abrasive dick and putting everyone else at risk? At this point she as experienced first being enrolled as child soldier, being nearly killed by the Fireflies and having the one person she absolutely trusted betray that trust. And that's not adding the fact that she's loving nineteen trying to figure out who she is in the middle of an apocalypse. Why are people surprised that she's acting out?
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The connection is that they are doing a great job with the character and if they were conventionally attractive the outrage over their casting wouldn’t exist. I’m not in many corners of the internet, but is there anywhere near the level of vitriol over Dina looking different in the game vs the show? Cause I bet there isn’t. E: I started my first replay of the game since launch and dang do certain parts feel different if you’ve since had your father die and walked through his house after. zelah fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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People who hate Part 2 for killing Joel and making Ellie into a vengeful monster: pshhh People who hate apart 2 because the WLF vs Seraphites war is a poorly done "both sides equally bad" allegory while actively demonizing the tribal-coded group as depraved transphobic savages: yeah I can see it. For me, Ellie's portrayal and the drive to avenge Joel in Part Two was never really the issue. It's the stuff built around it that makes me question how much of the setting conflict was necessary.
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Apr 15, 2025 15:27
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I’m not excited to get to the part of the game or presumably the show when life has quieted down and Ellie and Dina are living on the farm with the baby and Ellie just says no, I can’t have nice things, this isn’t over.
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Apr 15, 2025 15:37
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Yeah the only time I actually was mad at Ellie and the game was that chapter. The point had already been nailed home a bazillion times and Santa Barbara wasn’t fun enough to make up for it, even if she finally learns something at the end of it.
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Apr 15, 2025 16:00
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zelah posted:The connection is that they are doing a great job with the character and if they were conventionally attractive the outrage over their casting wouldn’t exist. I’m not in many corners of the internet, but is there anywhere near the level of vitriol over Dina looking different in the game vs the show? Cause I bet there isn’t. I might’ve misread your post then, my bad. I agree that the hangup over Ramsay is incredibly disgusting
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1st AD posted:Yeah yeah and all the sweaties were pissed off that episode 3 last season did a soft retcon of Bill and Frank's backstory and literally no regular people gave 2 shits about it and that episode was the highlight of a very good season of television. that's a poor comparison and an unnecessarily rude reaction Abby should be buff - it represents the very visual and physical transformation caused by Joel's actions and availability of WLF superior resources. There's nothing to compare to yet anyway so I trust the show will still do it well but I do think that aspect is important to the character.
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IIRC from the making of TLOU2 doc thing, Abby's character design was first and foremost to give her a play style similar to Joel and then they realized they could work it heavily into her story after the fact. I trust they'll find a way to make this interpretation work much like the other changes they've made.
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I really hope they have a huge famous actor playing the giant Seraphite guy Abby fights in her finale bit. Show him during a feast scene early in the show and set a cat amongst the pigeons of people going "oh this guys well known, he's gotta be playing a big deal" and then it turns out he's just a Seraphite who seems like he's basically had his own storyline going on and upgraded his health all the way given how much punishment he takes
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I'm assuming they're going to alternate between Ellie and Abby's stories as things progress, it'd make the most narrative sense at least
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Alhazred posted:At this point she as experienced first being enrolled as child soldier, being nearly killed by the Fireflies and having the one person she absolutely trusted betray that trust. And that's not adding the fact that she's loving nineteen trying to figure out who she is in the middle of an apocalypse. Why are people surprised that she's acting out? Yeah that's fair. I'm not really surprised by Ellie more than I'm annoyed at the character because her acting out is putting everyone at risk. But that's not bad writing.
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Apr 15, 2025 17:25
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Tender Bender posted:Yeah that's fair. I'm not really surprised by Ellie more than I'm annoyed at the character because her acting out is putting everyone at risk. But that's not bad writing. If you're annoyed now you're in for a bumpy ride.
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Feeling good, got about 500 words ready to go on why it's not possible for someone Abby's size to make Joel's head pop like that. Just need to watch the scene to fill in some details. I should be able to post it within minutes of the episode going up
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah the only time I actually was mad at Ellie and the game was that chapter. The point had already been nailed home a bazillion times and Santa Barbara wasn’t fun enough to make up for it, even if she finally learns something at the end of it. The only time? For me it was way earlier, when she goes back on their plan to find Tommy and leaves poor Jesse hanging to do it alone just so she can carry onto the aquarium.
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Not an expert in construction or Wyoming, but seems like judging from how people are dressing seems like Jackson is having a very mild winter. From glance at how they had a high of 21, low of -7, on New Year’s 2025, would think they’d have to limit time outside & wouldn’t be able to do major construction projects. Isn’t it difficult to replace underground pipes when the ground is frozen?
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