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McSpanky posted:I'm still not sure exactly what Ellie was expecting with her rescue with the Fireflies, and why she'd be so upset if it turned out that Joel had to kill a bunch of people to rescue her. Like... he already had to, several times at that point, and she was super grateful? What makes this situation so much different? Well she had no idea he went on a killing spree and stopped them from performing a medical procedure that may have given immunity to the rest of humanity, and he also lied about her not being a source of a cure. She had no choice in living or dying for a possible cure. He used his own loss of his daughter to justify saving her. She got betrayed by someone she fully trusted, and she’s processing her guilt through anger.
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McSpanky posted:I'm still not sure exactly what Ellie was expecting with her rescue with the Fireflies, and why she'd be so upset if it turned out that Joel had to kill a bunch of people to rescue her. Like... he already had to, several times at that point, and she was super grateful? What makes this situation so much different? It's not about Joel killing people, it's about Joel stopping her from potentially curing all of humanity, by saving her against her will. This suspicion is why her anger towards him manifests as being directed at his overprotectiveness, "I don't need you to look out for me", etc.
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He maybe should have said they were gonna kill her or at least decide if she wants to die for everyone. I can't remember if they told her or not.
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Apr 14, 2025 16:41
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Yeah one of the things this season premiere hammered home was how little agency Ellie is given, from the opening fight where the dude pulled his punches to Joel decking the bigot before Ellie had the chance to herself. And it’s clearly something she absolutely resents, especially if she does know what really went down with the Fireflies.
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Apr 14, 2025 17:24
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Joel lied to her, and not just lied to her but swore a lie to her. If he had just said "They were going to take your brain out and I stopped them and had to shoot our way out," it'd probably be a lot different.
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Apr 14, 2025 22:04
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Ellie acts more like a 12 year old than a 19 year old. The ones that are proclaiming "I'm an ADULT I do what I want" the loudest are always the most immature.
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Apr 14, 2025 22:16
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Phenotype posted:Can I play the second game having watched the TV show? From all the discussion in here it seems like it stayed pretty drat close to what was in the first game, but I dunno, would I be missing anything about the plot? Yeah Bill is still alive in 1 but only really mentioned in 2
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Apr 14, 2025 22:52
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I get agitated when people do dumb stuff during the various zombie apocalypses, so last night's episode was pushing my buttons! More so the people covering for Ellie - stick her on gate patrol if she can't take anything seriously. Or peel potatoes or something. Are they all that afraid of Joel? Speaking of, have I missed some backstory about Joel, why he's such a super killing machine? Special forces or something?
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Apr 15, 2025 02:14
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redshirt posted:I get agitated when people do dumb stuff during the various zombie apocalypses, so last night's episode was pushing my buttons! It's not really clear in the start of S1 if it's Joel or Tommy that was the veteran.
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Apr 15, 2025 02:33
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Madurai posted:It's not really clear in the start of S1 if it's Joel or Tommy that was the veteran. In the S2 E1 episode, Joel says Tommy joined the Army, so he's definitely a veteran. I've assumed Joel was too, but nothing said about it I think.
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Apr 15, 2025 02:39
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redshirt posted:
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Apr 15, 2025 03:40
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I got the impression that Joel went stone cold after his daughter died and picked it up. Those guys in the pilot also seemed pretty scared of Tess, and they had her held captive.
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Apr 15, 2025 03:49
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Joel and Tommy survived some of the harshest early stuff after society fell apart including a trek from Texas up to the Northeast US. Over that time Joel carried out some really dark stuff, and this is the reason Tommy ultimately chooses to cut off from him when he discovers Jackson in S1. It's implied that Joel was just hardened by the experiences he had over those 20 years.
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redshirt posted:I get agitated when people do dumb stuff during the various zombie apocalypses, so last night's episode was pushing my buttons! Yeah Ellie and Dina were really frustrating at the zombie store. drat kids. Also maybe they should talk about her immunity sometime, just because she's apparently immune doesn't mean she's immune forever, from all attacks, or that she can't still spread it.
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Khanstant posted:Yeah Ellie and Dina were really frustrating at the zombie store. drat kids. Was it Tess who told her that her immunity won’t save her from getting torn apart?
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Seems like if some tendrils in some roots in a water main are broadcasting, maybe they are also saying like hey special unit #25039 encountered medium ID x0xfgdxix again and went offline, send an extra 200 drones to this area to reduce our attrition rate.
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live with fruit posted:Was it Tess who told her that her immunity won’t save her from getting torn apart? Marlene says it when Joel takes her away, he can't protect her forever when there's a million threats that aren't "Get bitten/scratched but can successfully run away"
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covidstomper58 posted:Seems like if some tendrils in some roots in a water main are broadcasting, maybe they are also saying like hey special unit #25039 encountered medium ID x0xfgdxix again and went offline, send an extra 200 drones to this area to reduce our attrition rate. when they cut from the tendrils to the fireflies approaching I thought for a second they were a squad of even smarter infected getting called in
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live with fruit posted:Joel lied to her, and not just lied to her but swore a lie to her. If he had just said "They were going to take your brain out and I stopped them and had to shoot our way out," it'd probably be a lot different. its ok he swore to a non-gold fringed flag and/or bible, doesn't count
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redshirt posted:I get agitated when people do dumb stuff during the various zombie apocalypses, so last night's episode was pushing my buttons! If they were afraid of Joel they would have stuck her on gate duty or peeing potatoes. They keep putting her on patrols and poo poo because they can't say no to her for some reason.
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Boris Galerkin posted:If they were afraid of Joel they would have stuck her on gate duty or peeing potatoes. They keep putting her on patrols and poo poo because they can't say no to her for some reason. Seems like her uncle and aunt hold a lot of sway.
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covidstomper58 posted:Catherine O'Hara was rightly pissed that Joel killed her husband, Eugene Levy, at some point.
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Apr 15, 2025 19:23
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This felt like a mid-season episode to me, not a season premiere.
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It was the perfect introduction to the new season. We know the state of the commune, we know the state of Joel and Ellie's relationship, we were reminded of the fireflies, we got some action, and we know what the threats to them are. Perfect!
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I watched the Inside the Episode and the video game creator said that the guy who called Ellie a slur was just trying to protect the community in his own way, and I think I'm not going to watch any more of those.
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Apr 15, 2025 20:07
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Yeah I just don't know what the current stakes are other than "it might get crowded soon", or why I should be excited to tune in next week other than it looks like we're "doing a Walking Dead". Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it and know the series is going to go places, I just thought the momentum for a premiere specifically was a bit lackluster.
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Apr 15, 2025 20:08
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Boris Galerkin posted:Ellie the character is so annoying and insufferable. loving horrible character and actor, I skipped through most of her scenes.
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live with fruit posted:I watched the Inside the Episode and the video game creator said that the guy who called Ellie a slur was just trying to protect the community in his own way, and I think I'm not going to watch any more of those. This reminded me of the Game of Thrones "after the episode" thing when one of the Exec Producer dudes famously said "Danny kinda forgot about The Iron Fleet".
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IT BURNS posted:loving horrible character and actor, I skipped through most of her scenes. You skipped 80% of the episode?
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IT BURNS posted:loving horrible character and actor, I skipped through most of her scenes. No they aren't.
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Dude talking about Spanky punishing Alfafa is "protecting the community" like he didn't see the end of the movie where the He-man Woman Hater's club learns to stop embracing misogyny.
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IT BURNS posted:loving horrible character and actor, I skipped through most of her scenes. So you didn't watch the episode?
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This probably isn't a hot take but I think Bella Ramsey is great. They were great in Game of Thrones, they were great in Catherine Called Birdy, and they're the best part of The Last of Us.
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I enjoyed the premiere but I did laugh at how inane and cliche the villain dialogue was at the beginning "slowly" "what?" "when we capture and kill joel, we will kill him... slowly"
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I think Ella is a well written character with believable actions and motivations. But she also drives me up a wall with how nonchalant she is with the whole "World ended due to these Fungus Zombies". That's my beef. But it makes for good drama. And that's intentionally who she is as a character - as shown in the flashback episode from Season 1 where she's a wiseass and always in trouble in Fedra High, and that's before she learns she's immune.
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redshirt posted:I think Ella is a well written character with believable actions and motivations. And her world didn't end. Fungo Zombie World is the only one she's ever known.
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live with fruit posted:And her world didn't end. Fungo Zombie World is the only one she's ever known. In a larger sense, all post-apocalypse stories hinge on a tension that exists between people who know what it was like Before, and those who don't.
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Madurai posted:In a larger sense, all post-apocalypse stories hinge on a tension that exists between people who know what it was like Before, and those who don't. Hmmm...
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Vintersorg posted:No they aren't. Yes they are. I actually turned it off after that ridiculous first scene, but gave it another chance and regretted it. Joel and Catherine O'Hara doing their best Tony Soprano/Dr. Melfi impression was far more interesting.
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IT BURNS posted:loving horrible character and actor, I skipped through most of her scenes. This take sucks.
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