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-The Motion Picture -The Voyage Home -Wrath of Kahn -Generations -The Undiscovered Country -Insurrection -First Contact -The Final Frontier -The Search for Spock -Nemesis I invite debate and the opinions of others, there are no wrong opinions, except if you think any of the other films are better than TMP. The rest ain't even close.
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Whale Movie First Contact . . Wrath of Kahn . . Nemesis because of Tom Hardy .. . . all the rest
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Jan 12, 2023 02:54
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-first contact -wrath of Kahn -voyage home -Star Trek 2009 -beyond -generations -undiscovered country -insurrection -final frontier Haven’t seen: -the motion picture -search for Spock garbage: -nemesis -into darkness
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Jan 16, 2023 00:20
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I don't really feel like the reboot movies are part of the same series, more like movies being done "in tribute" to Star Trek, but ranking those:
I'd consider moving Star Trek Beyond up a rank if they'd called it "Star Trek Beyond Imagination" like they should have. 
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Jan 16, 2023 04:34
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FunkyAl posted:there are no wrong opinions, except if you think any of the other films are better than TMP. The rest ain't even close. You're supposed to say, "There Is No Comparison!" 
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Jan 16, 2023 04:54
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I liked The Motion Picture and Wrath of Khan but they're the only TOS movies I've seen. I saw Nemesis and First Contact but they were kind of a blur and I watched them before I'd ever seen any episode of any Star Trek show... so I was super baffled. nu-Trek is alright.
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Jan 17, 2023 06:56
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My top five are kind of in flux depending on my mood Wrath of Khan The Voyage Home The Undiscovered Country The Motion Picture The Final Frontier The Carbonite Maneuver The Search For Spock First Contact Beyond Generations 2009 Insurrection Into Darkness Nemesis
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Jan 17, 2023 07:46
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1) Wrath of Khan 2a and b) Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country 3) First Contact 4) Beyond 5) Trek '09 6) Motion Picture 7) Search for Spock 8) Generations 9) Insurrection 10) Nemesis 11) Into Darkness 12) Final Frontier
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Jan 17, 2023 16:35
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I'm actually gonna go to bat for Into Darkness here, there's a weird amount of 2001 imagery which I think is adds up to a kind of reverse message of said film, high technology being something that has to be transcended in favor of raw human emotion. I'm only half convinced of this, but I can say at least I like it more than Star Trek 2009.
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Voyage home Wrath of khan TMP Undiscovered country 09 Insurrection Final Frontier Nemesis Search for Spock First contact Generations Nemesis Into darkness The middle ones might shift around some. I loving hate the bottom three and would be happy to never see any of them again.
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Jan 18, 2023 13:56
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The "Aged like fine Klingon Bloodwine" tier Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan [I wrote multiple papers in film school about this film] Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country [there are days I bump this up past Wrath of Khan] Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home [Funny, good conclusion to the Genesis Trilogy, and double dumb rear end on you if you don't like it] The "I blew up the love of my life, the USS Enterprise, just to kill like 6 Klingons." tier Star Trek III: The Search for Spock [very underrated, the scene when they hack a garage door in space and make a dramatic 3 point turn to steal a warship, don't call Sulu tiny, and the scene when Kirk hears Saavik's voice and you can tell he was really hoping not to  ]Star Trek: First Contact [fun as hell but some plot holes] Star Trek Beyond [most trekky of the Chris Pine movies, characters felt most right] Star Trek Generations [writers admitted their reach exceeded their grasp but still good times, best Kirk acting per minute] The "Two goodish movies with very opposite problems" tier Star Trek: The Motion Picture [4k Director's Cut looks amazing, too bad you can tell they wrote the 3rd act as they shot it, and even the Director's Cut could of cut like 20% of the remaining V'Ger approach/flyby] Star Trek 2009 [Kirk would never be sexually harassing random female cadets on the quad he's not from Mad Men. Also Kurtzman/Orci sure loved plot holes] The "Honorable Mention" tier Master and Commander Galaxy Quest The "...They meant well" tier Star Trek V: The Final Frontier [This movie has heart, Shatner does better things with the camera than Nimoy. Too bad about that writer's strike] Star Trek Insurrection [So us what the TNG crew was up to during the Dominion War??? You can tell that at one point it was going to be Star Trek IV inpsired and then it was going to be Heart of Darkness so it is neither] The "Good job not being Nemesis" tier Star Trek Into Darkness [two villain's didn't work here, 9/11 conspiracy agenda, and I guess I can headcanon a reason why Carol Marcus has a British accent in this timeline but since the actress did a good US accent in Iron Fist WTF should I have to movie?] The "Literal War Crime" tier Star Trek Nemesis [I hope the director dies of the slowest most painful cancer, it was such a disappointment Tom Hardy spiraled and smoked crack] KurdtLives fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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Feb 17, 2023 07:23
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Wrath of Khan (easily the GOAT) Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country (2-way tie) Search For Spock/Final Frontier/Motion Picture (3-way tie) First Contact Beyond . . . '09 . . . . Nemesis, Insurrection Generations . . . . . . . . (500 lines omitted) Into Darkness I grew up with the TOS movies pretty much as 'Star Trek' for me, so to me all six of them are classics. Yes, even the 'bad' ones. I dearly love 'em all. Didn't discover TNG or its movies until much later. The best of the lot is First Contact, but I'd rank it below even the mid TOS movies. I'm one of the only Star Trek fans in the universe that doesn't have a particularly strong opinion one way or another about Insurrection or Nemesis. They exist; I don't give a gently caress about them. But Generations I actively dislike and I'd actually rate it as the worst of the lot. The JJTrek movies mostly bounced off me; I appreciate that they brought Star Trek to a younger generation of fans but I didn't especially care for them. Beyond is easily the best. 2009 is OK but a bit too....2009 and ADHD for me. Star Trek can be action-packed (see Wrath of Khan) without being so...hyper. Into Darkness is garbage. I said I disliked Generations but i really despise Into Darkness. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and soulless ripoff - of a far superior movie - than I did with ID. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mar 10, 2023 03:44
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FunkyAl posted:I'm actually gonna go to bat for Into Darkness here, there's a weird amount of 2001 imagery which I think is adds up to a kind of reverse message of said film, high technology being something that has to be transcended in favor of raw human emotion. I'm only half convinced of this, but I can say at least I like it more than Star Trek 2009. Wait when you say 2001 do you mean September 11 2001 Because yeah, sure, there's a weird amount of 2001 imagery, then
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Into Darkness is garbage. I said I disliked Generations but i really despise Into Darkness. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and soulless ripoff - of a far superior movie - than I did with ID. People who say this really didn't pay attention to Into Darkness. Nemesis far more blatantly rips off The Wrath of Khan, whereas Into Darkness uses Khan and inverts one sequence. I'm not saying Into Darkness is good, but it's not the remake of Wrath of Khan that people like to say it is.
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Mar 11, 2023 21:27
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They shuffle a few things around to cover tracks but it's so much ticking off 'Wrath of Khan' boxes that someone in the cast very uncharacteristically yells "Khaaaaan!" at one point. To me, ID is far more blatant than Nemesis.
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Mar 11, 2023 21:59
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I grew up with the TOS movies pretty much as 'Star Trek' for me, so to me all six of them are classics. Yes, even the 'bad' ones. I dearly love 'em all. Same. I'd put 2 and 6 as tied for first, and the rest tied for second. They all have things I love about them. First Contact is the only one of the TNG movies I'd ever rewatch. I actively hate all of the reboot movies. Blowing up Romulus and Vulcan is just so loving stupid. Like, really, a surprise supernova? gently caress offffffffff.
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Mar 11, 2023 22:40
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Hot take: the TOS crew is better suited for movies. Some of it may have to do with the differences in the movie industry in the '80s and the '90s, but the TNG crew is a bit too boring to carry a movie by themselves (not a criticism of the actors but the way the characters are written). First Contact was the only TNG movie to acknowledge this and work around it by giving the TNG crew something to liven them up a bit.
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Mar 11, 2023 22:53
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Hot take: the TOS crew is better suited for movies. Some of it may have to do with the differences in the movie industry in the '80s and the '90s, but the TNG crew is a bit too boring to carry a movie by themselves (not a criticism of the actors but the way the characters are written). First Contact was the only TNG movie to acknowledge this and work around it by giving the TNG crew something to liven them up a bit. Generations was written by Braga and Moore as they were simultaneously writing the superior finale, and that wasn't helpful. It didn't help that the studio and/or Berman had a huge list of demands: Have Klingons, have Kirk meet Picard, destroy the Enterprise D, among others. Braga and Moore also decided to invent the Nexus so as to avoid a basic bitch time travel plot for Kirk. Moore has been very upfront that their reach exceeded their grasp. I like that movie but it has flaws. First Contact is fun and good if a little plot-holey. Insurrection went through a couple different iterations. At first Piller wanted to 'do one for Gene' and make more like Star Trek IV, but the studio wanted action since First Contact was action and succesfull. So then Piller did a Heart of Darkness type story but there was more interference and I guess what we got was them splitting the baby. Maybe someone who read the pirated lost memoir of Michael Piller can give a better recall [he shelved it right before he died but it leaked]. gently caress Nemesis.
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Mar 12, 2023 04:52
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:They shuffle a few things around to cover tracks but it's so much ticking off 'Wrath of Khan' boxes that someone in the cast very uncharacteristically yells "Khaaaaan!" at one point. To me, ID is far more blatant than Nemesis. The ship's science officer, who is also the captain's best friend, sacrifices himself to save the Enterprise from a ticking-time-bomb doomsday device. You don't get much more blatant than that.
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Mar 12, 2023 13:50
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Hot take: the TOS crew is better suited for movies. Some of it may have to do with the differences in the movie industry in the '80s and the '90s, but the TNG crew is a bit too boring to carry a movie by themselves (not a criticism of the actors but the way the characters are written). First Contact was the only TNG movie to acknowledge this and work around it by giving the TNG crew something to liven them up a bit. Even hotter take: the JJ-verse ones are the best movie iterations of Trek because we don't have any preconceived tv experience of the actors in their roles.
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Mar 12, 2023 23:35
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Torquemada posted:Even hotter take: the JJ-verse ones are the best movie iterations of Trek because we don't have any preconceived tv experience of the actors in their roles. 
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Mar 13, 2023 22:07
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Timby posted:The ship's science officer, who is also the captain's best friend, sacrifices himself to save the Enterprise from a ticking-time-bomb doomsday device. I dunno, killing off a character and then bringing them back in five minutes with a magic macguffin seems pretty blatant to me. At least at the end of WoK, Spock's death had impact and felt real because there wasn't any indication he was ever coming back. With ID they didn't even bother to wait for the next movie. Actually, the deaths in both these movies were cheap as hell, tbh.
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Mar 14, 2023 01:06
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Timby posted:People who say this really didn't pay attention to Into Darkness. Nemesis far more blatantly rips off The Wrath of Khan, whereas Into Darkness uses Khan and inverts one sequence. yeah, into darkness was ripping off wing commander 4
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Mar 14, 2023 06:28
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I dunno, killing off a character and then bringing them back in five minutes with a magic macguffin seems pretty blatant to me. At least at the end of WoK, Spock's death had impact and felt real because there wasn't any indication he was ever coming back. With ID they didn't even bother to wait for the next movie. Nemesis also pretty much brought Data back in the same movie, since they introduced B-4 who was obviously designed to take over the role of Data in future TNG movies had Nemesis not bombed badly enough to kill the series.
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Mar 17, 2023 07:13
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Item Getter posted:Nemesis also pretty much brought Data back in the same movie, since they introduced B-4 who was obviously designed to take over the role of Data in future TNG movies had Nemesis not bombed badly enough to kill the series.
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Mar 18, 2023 04:16
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I dunno, killing off a character and then bringing them back in five minutes with a magic macguffin seems pretty blatant to me. At least at the end of WoK, Spock's death had impact and felt real because there wasn't any indication he was ever coming back. With ID they didn't even bother to wait for the next movie. there were two hints - Spock's "remember" mind meld with McCoy and the final shot before the credits of Spock's coffin safely on the Genesis planet. those were added to set up a possible resurrection in the next movie. after Nimoy had such a great time working on WoK and the general feeling amongst everyone involved that they'd a hit on their hands (unlike TMP or ToS s3) Nimoy began to have second thoughts about leaving the role behind. So he worked with Bennet to come up with some ambiguities to include to keep the door open. It wasn't certain yet that he'd come back. IIRC Meyer still thought it was a poo poo idea and cheapened the death.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:50
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Cerv posted:there were two hints - Spock's "remember" mind meld with McCoy and the final shot before the credits of Spock's coffin safely on the Genesis planet. Well yeah, that's true. There were hints but Spock's death had a finality to it where fans had to sit and wait two years for it to be resolved. Into Darkness settled the question in something like five minutes of screen time. But you're right; I hadn't thought about the 'Remember' scene.
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Mar 19, 2023 21:02
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Cerv posted:IIRC Meyer still thought it was a poo poo idea and cheapened the death. Yeah, the shot of Spock's torpedo was filmed in Golden Gate Park by ILM, without Meyer's consent, and "Remember" was a quick insert. His intent with the movie was that Spock was dead dead. Meyer was furious and so sore over it, and over The Search for Spock basically undoing the ending of his movie, that he initially refused the offer to co-write The Voyage Home until his agent talked some sense into him.
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Mar 19, 2023 21:13
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Having rewatched a lot of the original six recently with my partner: The Voyage Home By far the best-written Star Trek movie, if we had gotten a few other movies this smart and likeable Star Trek would still be a juggernaut instead of Star Wars-lite. Wrath of Khan Sets the tone for the franchise and manages to be compelling and incredibly cheesy at the same time. The Undiscovered Country A Star Trek that's about something relevant?!? While also being fun to watch?!? Beyond Probably the best Star Trek movie since Undiscovered Country, though it's not mind-blowing, just good fun. First Contact Not everything about this is great but it's a good horror movie, which is a nice change-up. The Final Frontier Honestly if you are open to this movie's vibe of being incredibly silly it's OK. We know that a lot of the El Capitan stuff is more unintentionally funny than anything, but it's a weird slapstick movie. Generations Starts the trend of Data regressing to an incredibly annoying version of himself and hogging all the screentime. The Motion Picture Really saved only by the 4k transfer of the ship sequences. The rest of the movie is a historical curiosity. Star Trek '09 Despite a plot that's only half there, it's an OK adventure movie. Search for Spock I wish this was better than it was, it's just a weird low-budget slog for the entire runtime. Into Darkness Just a terrible overwritten 9/11 truther mess. Nemesis It's bad but at least it's a merciful ending. The Picard series lurching on has deprived us even of this. Insurrection Bottom of the barrel, it's incredible that this wasn't the last TNG movie because it's like a terrible episode of the show.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Well yeah, that's true. There were hints but Spock's death had a finality to it where fans had to sit and wait two years for it to be resolved. Into Darkness was so bad I honestly don’t remember it at all. I only ever saw TWoK and TSFS on TV reruns. I guess I forget what it must have been like for the fans not to know for sure for a couple of years. With the chance that Nimoy might have decided not to come back (if they wouldn’t let him direct).
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Name Change posted:Having rewatched a lot of the original six recently with my partner: And yet they never say "oh this movie's gonna be the new Voyage Home"
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I’ve not posted a ranking so: The Wrath of Khan This is the only one I would call a great movie on its own right, rather than a great Star Trek movie. Despite nominally being a sequel to a random episode from the series, you really could show this to someone blind who’s never seem Trek at all and they’d get it. All the pieces are introduced and the world building is there. Meyer got possibly Shatner’s strongest performance out if him. The turnaround in costumes, sets, etc compared to TMP is amazing. The starfleet uniforms introduced for TWOK have never been beaten with any of the later revisions. I love it. The Undiscovered Country What name change said. I like my scifi to be great unsubtle metaphors that tell us something about today. The Voyage Home Just edged out by 6 for me. Because 6 is at least set in the 23rd century. While 4 is by far the best example of “we’ve time travelled from our proper setting to the year this was filmed” across any movie/tv series, I still find that conceit a bit wank. Too many jokes for my taste. But cannot disagree that it does what it does excellently. Even if that’s not something I’d have chosen for them to do. First Contact Gets a bit too action orientated. Retreads the same Moby Dick stuff that TWOK did better. The Search for Spock Has a few good moments. And Lloyd is a great villain against Shatner. Generations They rushed this out. All Good Things was a better movie and that’s not even a movie. The Motion Picture Some of it looks pretty at least. The Final Frontier Can’t say anything about this but meh Nemesis ans Insurrection I’d have to check the wiki to be certain which title was which movie. Don’t care enough to bother; they were both unmitigated shite. I don’t care about the JJ Abrams movies.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:And yet they never say "oh this movie's gonna be the new Voyage Home" Well it's a well-rounded, funny, and satisfying movie that actually uses the entire cast (the only TOS movie to do so). It's almost a miracle that we got even one movie that overcomes William Shatner being the biggest film/TV prima donna of the twentieth century. Timby posted:Yeah, the shot of Spock's torpedo was filmed in Golden Gate Park by ILM, without Meyer's consent, and "Remember" was a quick insert. His intent with the movie was that Spock was dead dead. Realistically, TOS does not work at all without Spock, and killing off that many paychecks was never going to happen. It was handled fairly well all things considered, but Roddenberry being jilted over losing creative control meant he would spoil everything he could to the fanmags anyway.
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Cerv posted:The starfleet uniforms introduced for TWOK have never been beaten with any of the later revisions. Cerv posted:The Voyage Home Name Change posted:...It was handled fairly well all things considered, but Roddenberry being jilted over losing creative control meant he would spoil everything he could to the fanmags anyway. But the other big spoiler was just from the people who cut the Search For Spock trailer. Despite Harve Bennett's EXPLICIT instructions, the trailer is literally like "...ON THIS, THE FINAL VOYAGE OF THE USS ENTERPRISE..." as you see the Enterprise clearly blowing up.
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quote:7) Search for Spock "Transmission complete!" "Then you have SEEN it?!" "Yes." "Unfortunate..." "...Thrusters." "...Ka'plcha ma' Wi" ---- "Success my lord! *All in actual Klingon* *then things happen* "If my Grandmother had wheels she'd be a Wagon!" -Mr. Scott Not going out of this one either.... BigBeefCity fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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There is something very unfortunate during the 'Search for Spock' At one point they put the StarDates across the whole screen and running them through "Stardate Calculator" it turns out a date of: Earth Date (12hr) July 20, 1930 10:11 AM Now, friends, have you ever gone off to gather *shabbed through the neck with an arrow suddenly
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KurdtLives posted:But the other big spoiler was just from the people who cut the Search For Spock trailer. Despite Harve Bennett's EXPLICIT instructions, the trailer is literally like "...ON THIS, THE FINAL VOYAGE OF THE USS ENTERPRISE..." as you see the Enterprise clearly blowing up. Other way around. Roddenberry leaked the Enterprise's destruction to the fanzines, and Bennett decided, "gently caress it, the cat's out of the bag, let's put our big money shot in the trailer."
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e: *mmMmmghhmmh*
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Search For Spock is a much better movie than a lot of fans give it credit for (the 'worst' of the TOS movies are better than the baseline TNG and JJ movies, in my opinion). But you really can't beat a movie where Kirk steals the Enterprise and then blows that bitch up to save himself from Klingons.
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