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Powerful Two-Hander posted:kids in America were talking in British accents because of Peppa pig, it took hundreds of years but we will return you to proper English the current british accent is artificial and was invented roughly a century or so ago to distinguish british english from american english. the english accent that existed in the 1700s still largely exists today in rural appalachia. you wanna hear what victorian brits sounded like? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
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i grew up in a place with a lot of different accents and varying levels of proficiency with english and the only person i literally could not comprehend was a very excited scotsman
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infernal machines posted:i grew up in a place with a lot of different accents and varying levels of proficiency with english and the only person i literally could not comprehend was a very excited scotsman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkSB-D-hYo&t=13s
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Sep 18, 2023 20:26
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Mr. Nice! posted:the current british accent is artificial and was invented roughly a century or so ago to distinguish british english from american english. im pretty skeptical about this
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infernal machines posted:i grew up in a place with a lot of different accents and varying levels of proficiency with english and the only person i literally could not comprehend was a very excited scotsman i have a really hard time with certain indian accents
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Sep 18, 2023 20:28
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and yet Kids In America was sung by a Brit. makes ya think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqMcevcUmqg
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rotor posted:im pretty skeptical about this quote:Extensive research has been conducted since the 1930s to determine the origin of the Appalachian dialect. One popular theory is that the dialect is a preserved remnant of 16th-century (or "Elizabethan") English in isolation, though a far more accurate comparison would be to 18th-century (or "colonial") English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_English it's 100% true. it's a very old accent as far as english goes.
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is it a 1:1 with the same idioms and phrases? absolutely not. is it one of the oldest accents and the sound of words generally representative of how people spoke a couple hundred years ago? 100% early british settlers sounded much more like a hillbilly from appalachia than they did anything like modern british people.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:31
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british regional accent snobbery is absurd to me, like how they’d interviewed the actual yorkshire ripper like half a dozen times over 3 years while he was still killing but didn’t investigate him because their profile had a different accent from like 70 miles away based on a prank call to a newspaper
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Sep 18, 2023 20:34
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the lack of rhoticity in british speech (the non-pronunciation of the letter r basically) started after the united states was a nation, for example. the really old accents in the usa pronounce words more like shakespeare than a modern londoner. that doesn't mean they use the same words, but intonation and diction is largely the same.
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it would explain a few things if we shipped all the hillbillies (or "moundwilliams" as they are known here) to the US
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Mr. Nice! posted:is it a 1:1 with the same idioms and phrases? absolutely not. is it one of the oldest accents and the sound of words generally representative of how people spoke a couple hundred years ago? 100% i dont really want to fight about it but quote:Extensive research has been conducted since the 1930s to determine the origin of the Appalachian dialect. One popular theory is that the dialect is a preserved remnant of 16th-century (or "Elizabethan") English in isolation,[5][6] though a far more accurate comparison would be to 18th-century (or "colonial") English.[7] Regardless, the Appalachian dialect studied within the last century, like most dialects, actually shows a mix of both older and newer features,[7] with particular Ulster Scots immigrant influences.[8] I dont really read this as 100% certainty, nor do I think it reads that "this is the closest thing to a 16th century accent still extant" but idk i am not a dude of languages.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:37
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i absolutely do hear the scots accent in there tho
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qirex posted:british regional accent snobbery is absurd to me, like how they’d interviewed the actual yorkshire ripper like half a dozen times over 3 years while he was still killing but didn’t investigate him because their profile had a different accent from like 70 miles away based on a prank call to a newspaper expo70 has told me multiple times that growing up they were explicitly taught to hide their shameful northern accent, especially when talking to americans. which is extra funny because americans literally cannot loving tell the difference.
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not a language guy, in fact i'm real bad at the whole concept but i don't think accents freeze in time after they diverge; they just develop in different ways and some idioms that go away in some cultures persist in others eg doing the needful
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there's a lot of resources and videos out there discussing it. i just copied something from wiki because it was easier. for example, read hamlet's nunnery scene with jim tom's accent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MMscJHKLw&t=4s it just loving flows perfectly much more than anything approaching the modern british accent. british english has changed so god damned much over the past few centuries. hell, the past millennia or so has been pretty fluid for the primary language in england.
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Shame Boy posted:expo70 has told me multiple times that growing up they were explicitly taught to hide their shameful northern accent, especially when talking to americans. which is extra funny because americans literally cannot loving tell the difference. some foreigners can't tell me from a californian and yet others can easily pick apart my accent differences from a person from halifax and a person from ontario accents are neat and i wish i could just pick them apart like some people can, watching a video where an accent understander does it is neat
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americans can tell that there are a bunch of different english accents but we have no idea which ones are supposed to be "good" and which ones are supposed to be "bad" unless we're explicitly told, because the distinctions are arbitrary and made up
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Sep 18, 2023 20:48
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i don't remember that part of hamlet
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Internet Janitor posted:americans can tell that there are a bunch of different english accents but we have no idea which ones are supposed to be "good" and which ones are supposed to be "bad" unless we're explicitly told, because the distinctions are arbitrary and made up i can tell which ones are Annoyingly Posh and which ones are Sexy but that doesn't actually correspond to anything british people would classify them as
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Shame Boy posted:i don't remember that part of hamlet i definitely butchered this, but this is an example of what i'm talking about. https://voca.ro/1dD9SD8QM3kB
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Sep 18, 2023 20:54
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kind of a mugs game to try to promulgate class without money and power
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Shame Boy posted:i can tell which ones are Annoyingly Posh and which ones are Sexy but that doesn't actually correspond to anything british people would classify them as lots of racists like to claim there wouldn't be any problems if we just segregated everything but you can look at the history of england specifically and see it's totally untrue, everyone can be super white and they'll figure out ways to treat people like poo poo based on where they're from
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rotor posted:im pretty skeptical about this yeah it's not really true. british and american accents have both changed over time, with some regional accents retaining features from older dialects that have been lost in the mainstream. but "american rural accents are actually how british people used to speak" is complete bullshit. they basically kept the rhotic R and some vowel sounds only. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvpg0md4xY e: a london accept 14th-21st century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvpg0md4xY
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as a nation we actually made the plot of Sorry to Bother You the national curriculum by literally beating the accents out of children so that they wouldn't sound poor
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Chris Knight posted:and yet Kids In America was sung by a Brit. makes ya think. good song this
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Sep 18, 2023 21:08
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always reminds me of vice city
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AlbertFlasher posted:good song this her cover of keep me hangin on is p good
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FMguru posted:'east california' lmao ya thats a good song too
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AlbertFlasher posted:always reminds me of vice city for me it's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N1iwQxiHrs
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Cold on a Cob posted:some foreigners can't tell me from a californian and yet others can easily pick apart my accent differences from a person from halifax and a person from ontario after watching enough American tv shows that were shot in Vancouver my ears are finely tuned to detect Canadian accent slip ups, tho maybe not where in canada they're from.
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the canadian pronunciation of the word "sorry" is, ironically, an extremely easy way to pick them out
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FMguru posted:'east california' lmao Nice of her to namecheck Susanville
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I went to london recently and by the end of the trip I was so sick of the accent. For whatever reason I find it really grating.
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Internet Janitor posted:the canadian pronunciation of the word "sorry" is, ironically, an extremely easy way to pick them out sorry pasta cupboard [sounds like "cubbert"]
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she tried to warn us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXi4yqVd9g
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Cold on a Cob posted:some foreigners can't tell me from a californian Same. The one word that identifies me massively is the way I pronounce "about" stereotypical I know but apparently I say it strange.
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rotor posted:i have a really hard time with certain indian accents there was a very large south asian community where i grew up, so those are relatively easy for me. also a lot of eastern europeans who spoke heavily accented english with whatever their native grammar/sentence structure was, which took some getting used to before you could parse what they were saying
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Internet Janitor posted:the canadian pronunciation of the word "sorry" is, ironically, an extremely easy way to pick them out What's this pronunciation? I don't know that one. I probably say it like that I just never recognized it.
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AlbertFlasher posted:What's this pronunciation? I don't know that one. I probably say it like that I just never recognized it. sore-ee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COpCvCYZAWA
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