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spankmeister posted:If the war between china and the west is going to be about scaling up war production like WW2 was, my money is going to be on china. assuming the west doesn't collapse politically and economically immediately, no the west wins. the simple fact that america has no land borders against enemies it has to defend, and the combined western industrial capacity being able to adjust given enough time to do, means it will win- again. America could be making an F-22 squadron ever other week, it isn't. There's more thanks than the Army could ever use sitting in a depot in a desert. They have practically infinite space and blue sky to train and equip new units. It'd suck and 500 million people would die, but so long as the west retains the will to fight (not a certainty) it will always win. Unless China somehow invades the west coast and razes everything up to Montana within a year, they will inevitably lose.
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Jan 21, 2024 01:49
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1748862329603625089#m
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Jan 21, 2024 02:03
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SRQ posted:assuming the west doesn't collapse politically and economically immediately, no the west wins. Also, nooks.
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Jan 21, 2024 02:10
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zone posted:Shcheglovsky Val quote:The company makes the Pantsir-S and Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and gun system combat vehicles (and also target locators, multipurpose radars of the system), the Bakhcha and Berezhok turrets, the Kornet-EM anti-tank rocket systems mounted on Tigr vehicles, and battle modules that are part of the ship-based Pantsir-M anti-aircraft missile and gun system. The plant also makes prototype weapons including the unmanned turrets and battle modules Epokha, Kurganets, Bumerang and Armata. In addition, Shcheglovsky Val is developing the capability to maintenance and upgrade combat vehicles. Prognosis: Inconsequential.
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Jan 21, 2024 02:13
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Does anyone know who the guy on the forearm of the Stalin / Nick 2 bad tattoo owner is?
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Jan 21, 2024 04:39
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SRQ posted:assuming the west doesn't collapse politically and economically immediately, no the west wins. Yeah, the will to fight going is what I'd count on disappearing, especially if they manage to bag a u.s. carrier or two, and depending how deathculty the GOP are at that moment in time. The only reason the Ukraine war is in this stalemate and it looks like Putin might pull of a long term 'win' is all the "eh. meh. whatever" sentiment. That's one of the main ways Putin can show something: Demonstrating once again the west will abandon anyone that sides with it. Happened in afganistan, might happen again in ukraine. For all the talk of russian corruption and inability to put together systems that last, the u.s. spent 20 years creating a government that collapsed as fast as the taliban could drive up unopposed toward kabul. Blistex posted:I have a morbid curiosity to see what Trump would do if he was given a free hand. I'd put the odds at 50:50 he'd do something incredibly selfish (pocket it) or incredibly blatant (give it back to Putin). Doomerist joke "Comedy" option: Trump just outright bombing ukraine and handing over lists of all known western intelligence agents to putin, mixed with another coup that has AR-15 wielding chuds taking over multiple state capitols unopposed or even aided by local/state law enforcement. "clancy-chat' ain't quite the word for that. "Turner diaries LARP"? Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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Jan 21, 2024 05:17
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Das a pretty gud price fur eggz
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Jan 21, 2024 05:18
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Ronwayne posted:: Demonstrating once again the west will abandon anyone that sides with it. Happened in afganistan, might happen again in ukraine. Didn't Russia end up having to completely withdraw from Afghanistan anyway?
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Jan 21, 2024 05:23
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Mobilize the egg lines 🎖️🎉
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Jan 21, 2024 05:24
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norp posted:Didn't Russia end up having to completely withdraw from Afghanistan anyway? The USSR's failure in the 80s is not nearly as relevant as the U.S. slinking out with its tail between its legs a few years ago in terms of optics of just abandoning locals that allied with them, both in afganistan and other places. Trump went "lol" and let the Kurds get squashed, for example. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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Jan 21, 2024 05:46
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Easiest way to beat the US is to sow division within its borders by stoking the elements that want to turn it into a disorganized defenseless consortium of STATES RIGHTS corporate fiefdoms. In other words, boost Republicans.
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Jan 21, 2024 05:49
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mobilize the egg lines 🎖️🎉 One who can buy eggs, can fight to the death.
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Jan 21, 2024 05:51
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blyatmouth eat the eggs
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Jan 21, 2024 05:54
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Scam Likely posted:Easiest way to beat the US is to sow division within its borders by stoking the elements that want to turn it into a disorganized defenseless consortium of STATES RIGHTS corporate fiefdoms. I am continually enraged, not surprised but enraged, that we just got to let the GOP continue to wreck stuff on purpose and we get told "oh well, better vote against them!" and that's the only action that's permitted against them, while they get to keep trying again and again and again until their bullshit sticks.
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Jan 21, 2024 05:55
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Ronwayne posted:I am continually enraged, not surprised but enraged, that we just got to let the GOP continue to wreck stuff on purpose and we get told "oh well, better vote against them!" and that's the only action that's permitted against them, while they get to keep trying again and again and again until their bullshit sticks. you forgot about continually making it harder to effectively vote against them
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Jan 21, 2024 06:42
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Scam Likely posted:Easiest way to beat the US is to sow division within its borders by stoking the elements that want to turn it into a disorganized defenseless consortium of STATES RIGHTS corporate fiefdoms. Don't forget to peddle inescapable nihilism to people who consider themselves incredibly smart. I mean like the entire interenet, wherever you can foment it. There's so many loving idle logorrheics out there that they'll just do your loving bidding if you size them up right and scare them just enough. That way there's just like a constant drag of depression on people who would otherwise take the fifteen seconds to realize oh wait, the people trying to brainfuck me are a joke, I'd better not waste years of my life holding them to highly optimistic, distorted, fantastical versions of something they once pretended to be with rose-tinted lax standards because they painted my current situation as somehow bad from every angle despite theirs being markedly worse in all respects. That poo poo would get REALLY spicy. Waffle House fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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Jan 21, 2024 06:47
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More smoking accidents in russia.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9YdPan_hc
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Jan 21, 2024 06:52
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Ronwayne posted:I am continually enraged, not surprised but enraged, that we just got to let the GOP continue to wreck stuff on purpose and we get told "oh well, better vote against them!" and that's the only action that's permitted against them, while they get to keep trying again and again and again until their bullshit sticks. The DNC has realized their own grift: If the GOP is one election away from fascism, they can do whatever the gently caress they want- forever- and still get votes.
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Jan 21, 2024 06:58
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norp posted:Didn't Russia end up having to completely withdraw from Afghanistan anyway? You know there's really no reason NOT to have a constant Coalition peacekeeping presence in Ukraine, now. It's been two years, the invading sect of the Russian military has given itself no choice but to wear itself out to death.
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Jan 21, 2024 07:02
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But I was under the impression that they were no longer Communist! How could there be a deprivation of goods under capitalism????
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Jan 21, 2024 07:34
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:0.86 USD per dozen is record-breakingly inflated? remember how little an average russian makes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_Russia note that the high end is 50k rubles per month. that's 567 USD. a month.
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Jan 21, 2024 07:56
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SRQ posted:The DNC has realized their own grift: If the GOP is one election away from fascism, they can do whatever the gently caress they want- forever- and still get votes. You would've thought Jan 6th would've taught them what would happen if the GOP got a mega-victory but I guess they've decided to play chicken with an electoral fascist victory and/or coup.
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Jan 21, 2024 08:26
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https://twitter.com/reshetz/status/1747700684663717890 So this is the great Russian Soul at work. I'll keep what else I have to say to myself because this made me start boiling with rage.
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Jan 21, 2024 08:44
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mobby_6kl posted:I agree we should be instead bombing Belarus and Russia right now but at least the Czechs aren't blocking EU funding for Ukraine Everyone aught to be doing things that make loving sense. Bombing me right now IMO makes sense in terms of aiding the Ukranian effort, however how tha gently caress expelling students or punishing dissidents help? Honestly this is performative as gently caress. Visa ban costs you nothing and even gets you political points among xenophobes but amazingly noone has such fervor against an EU based bank who happily continued doing business in russia. It is so inconvenient, they got lawyers and lobbyists. So much easier to tell any Belarusian you meet to go gently caress themselves, pat yourself on the back and go shop in Auchan because where else would you buy stuff?
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Jan 21, 2024 09:08
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:0.86 USD per dozen is record-breakingly inflated? Different countries have different prices, yes.
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Jan 21, 2024 09:42
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At least Russia can save some money by reusing American egg price memes from last year instead of inventing new ones.
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Jan 21, 2024 10:20
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Jan 21, 2024 10:39
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 Happy birthday to this beautiful PILF
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Jan 21, 2024 10:56
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regarding that Il-22M that managed to land - pilot was killed, co-pilot wounded, so it's safe to assume that more than a pictured tail section was damaged Der Kyhe posted:Slovakia looked at Russia, Belarus and Hungary in 2023 and decided "yes, what we need is a strongman leader with connections to organized crime and who simps for Putin". Although on the other hand, many younger and more liberal people have left the country and the remaining voters have been brainwashed for a decade or more with lies and pro-Russian disinformation peddled either by Fico's previous governments, by far-right parties or by the pro-Russian disinformation media that had a free hand under previous Fico governments (and became part of the current government).
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Jan 21, 2024 10:56
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I've been watching a bit of Denys Davydov. I get the impression that russian meat wave tactics are currently able to gradually push ukrainians back, ever so slightly, and that russian material losses seem to be just 2-3x those of ukraine at the moment. That doesn't look like a tenable situation to me. Am I thinking about this wrong?
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Jan 21, 2024 11:05
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Karate Bastard posted:I've been watching a bit of Denys Davydov. I get the impression that russian meat wave tactics are currently able to gradually push ukrainians back, ever so slightly, and that russian material losses seem to be just 2-3x those of ukraine at the moment. That doesn't look like a tenable situation to me. Am I thinking about this wrong? It's not 'tenable' but that's because Russia has committed to an attritional strategy. Currently Russia seems to be able to replace its losses. Ukraine seems to be able to do the same. Russia's current tactics won't cause a breakthrough or a collapse in the frontline or even capture all of the Donbass in the next 5 years, the point is to maintain an intensity of fighting. The price of this sort of tactic is that while Russia can replace its losses, it might be struggling to generate and train up formations that can do anything more complicated than frontal assaults, so there's an element of being locked in. The calculation is that Russia can keep this up longer than the West has the will and ability to keep resupplying Ukraine. That's it. Either the arms shipments stop and Russia suddenly wins, or Russians stop signing up or being willing to be conscripted and Ukraine wins.
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Jan 21, 2024 11:16
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Hard to tell exactly without a clear picutre of what the supply and manpower situation is but but It's obviously not great and not going to end well unless our Western friends get their heads out of their asses sooner rather than later. Seems like a new smoking accident, just published this early morning  https://kyivindependent.com/media-russian-seaport-terminal-on-fire/ E: for example. quote:German defense contractor Taurus Systems said on Jan. 20 that it could build up its Taurus cruise missile production very quickly, even if Germany sent some to Ukraine. You just need to order some missiles and they'll make them. If you don't order any, they won't. Interesting. Meanwhile, didn't we have an estimate that russians are making 100 long-range missiles per month or something? What a loving joke. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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Jan 21, 2024 11:38
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Coolguye posted:your last few posts didn't make me likely to read stuff as a joke. sorry if that wasn't as serious as i read it but you were pretty in there. The debt I was referring to was the one I had to repay to you, when you won the bet. The joke being, that it would take place after a war with China, resulting in WW3 and inevitable nuclear apocalypse. Like the game Fallout. Have you played any of the fallout games? They're really good (well, most of them). It's a game set in a world where China and US went to war and at some point had a nuclear exchange, annihilating most of society. The games take place 150 to 200 years later when society is recovering and the survivors use pre-war bottle caps as currency, since they're both rare and light and small enough to be conveniently carried. While I appreciate the effortpost, I recommend playing some of the Fallout games some time instead of posting about economics. New Vegas is my favorite. Fallout 2 is really good too!
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Jan 21, 2024 12:19
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Alchenar posted:
Surely the Russian side of the equation hinges on the willingness of the oligarchs to keep eating financial losses - ordinary people seem completely powerless because the mafia state doesn't actually need them for anything. Personally I'd say let's attack oligarchs, their associates, and their businesses whatever the country or jurisdiction. No no that fire wasn't us, also, we do not comment on operational matters 
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Jan 21, 2024 12:50
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Alchenar posted:It's not 'tenable' but that's because Russia has committed to an attritional strategy. Currently Russia seems to be able to replace its losses. Ukraine seems to be able to do the same. Russia's current tactics won't cause a breakthrough or a collapse in the frontline or even capture all of the Donbass in the next 5 years, the point is to maintain an intensity of fighting. The price of this sort of tactic is that while Russia can replace its losses, it might be struggling to generate and train up formations that can do anything more complicated than frontal assaults, so there's an element of being locked in. Plus it's a fair bet that Russia just has to hold put until January 2025 when Trump is back in office and sells out Ukraine to Russia in some way.
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Jan 21, 2024 13:14
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Dwesa posted:regarding that Il-22M that managed to land - pilot was killed, co-pilot wounded, so it's safe to assume that more than a pictured tail section was damaged i wouldn't be shocked if the coalition splits before the summer. and yeah, slovakia's weird politics are based in large part on the fact that everyone young and educated leaves for the czech republic as soon as possible and doesn't feel invested in it.
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Jan 21, 2024 13:23
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mobby_6kl posted:
I remember when you got a gold watch instead of some missile that wasn't a twinkle in its designer's eye for such an achievement.
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Jan 21, 2024 13:44
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Since it came up earlier, new Perun on the Chinese Military: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhI_tTEE2ZQ
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Jan 21, 2024 14:12
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Did Ukraine hit an oil depot in St. Petersburg? I'm having a hard time finding confirmation of this.
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Sekenr posted:Everyone aught to be doing things that make loving sense. Bombing me right now IMO makes sense in terms of aiding the Ukranian effort, however how tha gently caress expelling students or punishing dissidents help? Are you asking us to bomb you?
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