(Thread IKs: weg, Toxic Mental)
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there's no way the US, under the current administration, would come to the aid of the baltics if they were invaded
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Dec 6, 2025 09:22
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I ve got Mr Baltic on the phone, tremendous guy. He said sir, can you help us make a deal ?? We'll see
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Dec 6, 2025 10:08
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ded posted:all it takes is some drones and russia can't do poo poo That requires Baltics having drones and operators. And air defence is so good that they discovered that drone has crashed in Latvia by jogger finding it and informing police.
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Dec 6, 2025 10:13
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drilldo squirt posted:I believe the united states military is a force for good in this world. 
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Dec 6, 2025 10:48
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The only one I can fathom even thinking of defending the Baltics in a sense of stopping soldiers just walking over the border is Poland, and they will be busy preparing their own borders. EU still have zero preparedness for this situation
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Dec 6, 2025 11:10
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They're gonna hear the Baltics were invaded and send help to Greece, Bosnia and Slovenia
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Dec 6, 2025 11:15
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Toxic Mental posted:They're gonna hear the Baltics were invaded and send help to Greece, Bosnia and Slovenia This post just triggered Article 5.
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Dec 6, 2025 11:53
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Article 5 triggered, libs?? 
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Dec 6, 2025 11:55
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Wait, did we go from "Russia has trouble crawling forward with grim losses against an exhausted defender" to "Russia will waltz into an EU and NATO member state and nobody will do anything"? Even if US congress were to go crack ping isolationism, EU can and will defend the Baltics by themselves under NATO command structure. It wouldn't even be a contest. Unless you're talking about some crazy US and Russia join forces to strike deep at the heart of Europa clancy scenario. It's direct intervention in Ukraine that's out of reach for various reasons. StoryTime fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Dec 6, 2025 |
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Dec 6, 2025 14:41
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StoryTime posted:Wait, did we go from "Russia has trouble crawling forward with grim losses against an exhausted defender" to "Russia will waltz into an EU and NATO member state and nobody will do anything"? Obviously, the best and most warlike donkeys are being held in reserve.
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Dec 6, 2025 14:58
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I dunno, in doomy moods I feel like the EU cares only about ensuring the core states' middle class can have a holiday cottage, take two holidays a year and own three cars. NO DISRUPTION. E: downgraded proposed standard of living lol Strategic Tea fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Dec 6, 2025 |
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Dec 6, 2025 15:00
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Neodymium posted:If you seriously think that the military will defy the explicit and direct orders of the President of the United States and the Secretary of Defence, then I have a crypto token to sell you. I don't know what else to say to that. the US has one of the strictest definitions of treason in the world, and yet your post said "if the definition of treason is met in wartime, trump will get away with it no problem and nothing will happen" like yes yes, i get that the world is bad, getting worse, and positive change is not in the offing. i don't disagree with any of that. but open the window back up dude.
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Dec 6, 2025 15:04
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shadow puppet of a posted:Obviously, the best and most warlike donkeys are being held in reserve. Please, they're "tactical asses" not "warlike donkeys."
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Dec 6, 2025 15:15
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The Russian air force in Crimea had a bad day. https://youtu.be/JoNAZ3QEn4M?si=exw19Iap9yMnArWK
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Dec 6, 2025 15:25
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StoryTime posted:Wait, did we go from "Russia has trouble crawling forward with grim losses against an exhausted defender" to "Russia will waltz into an EU and NATO member state and nobody will do anything"? Defend with what? The only countries who are able and willing to send soldiers outside their borders are France, and well. I think that's it. Germany is completely useless. They are so terrified of repeating WW2 they'd rather surrender right away. LIke I said, Poland and Finns who were preparing for this their whole life. If this happens, everyone will fly to Brussels to draft a document. AND there will me an insignificant minority who will say that Russia is completely right. Some will fly to washington, so Trump will promise or maybe not a meeting with Putin, that's about it. Completely unprepared.
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Dec 6, 2025 15:27
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People in here not really bothering to understand how much weight a FIFA 2k26 Peace Prize carries in terms of settling international relations.
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Dec 6, 2025 15:31
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Sekenr posted:Defend with what? The only countries who are able and willing to send soldiers outside their borders are France, and well. I think that's it. Germany is completely useless. They are so terrified of repeating WW2 they'd rather surrender right away. LIke I said, Poland and Finns who were preparing for this their whole life. aids
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Dec 6, 2025 15:32
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Coolguye posted:aids aids
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Dec 6, 2025 15:35
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shadow puppet of a posted:Obviously, the best and most warlike donkeys are being held in reserve. They have been secretly recruiting emus from Australia, come next summer it will be a bloodbath!!! 
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Dec 6, 2025 15:36
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We need an emu limitation treaty before this gets out of hand
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Dec 6, 2025 15:39
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StoryTime posted:Wait, did we go from "Russia has trouble crawling forward with grim losses against an exhausted defender" to "Russia will waltz into an EU and NATO member state and nobody will do anything"? An AfD government in Germany is very unlikely to intervene on behalf of the Baltics if the US does not get involved and chances are very high that such a government will be in power within the next ~10 years. France might be in a similar position by then. That would be the end of NATO and everything would come down to a "coalition of the willing". Who the gently caress knows what such a coalition would look like. You can probably count on Poland being in it, but everything else is less than certain.
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Dec 6, 2025 15:44
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What forces could Russia commit to the Baltics that wouldn't cause a critical weakness in Ukraine?
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Dec 6, 2025 15:46
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Some sort of donkey that can only exist in cold environments?
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Dec 6, 2025 16:29
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GABA ghoul posted:An AfD government in Germany is very unlikely to intervene on behalf of the Baltics if the US does not get involved and chances are very high that such a government will be in power within the next ~10 years. France might be in a similar position by then. That would be the end of NATO and everything would come down to a "coalition of the willing". Who the gently caress knows what such a coalition would look like. You can probably count on Poland being in it, but everything else is less than certain. Poland isn't loving around anymore. But yeah we are prolly going to have three sub optimal governments in power very soon. Those being AFD, NF and Reform UK. There is a high likelihood that NATO will not exist in its current form within a decade. Especially if Russia invades the Baltics and nothing is done. Because next on the table is Serbia committing some of its favorite activities on its neighbors. At one point this all sounded like Tom Clancy nonsense, but the reality is ever growing that the entire paradigm of Europe will be shifting drastically In the 2030s. In the 2030s Russia's place on the world stage is highly dependent on how quickly they can settle Ukraine. If there is no settlement, or agreement It will continue to have its petro economy fall apart. A lot of this depends on how this winter goes with Russia having huge issues getting gas to the places it needs to go. And that problem seems to get worse and worse every single day even though Russia is doing their best to hide impact of it poo poo is not good. With all of these nationalist governments rolling around, and the current world order breaking at the seems constantly, nuclear hellfire seems more and more inevitable. I mean who's going to follow anti nuclear proliferation when nationalism is the flavor of the '30s
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Dec 6, 2025 16:50
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StoryTime posted:Wait, did we go from "Russia has trouble crawling forward with grim losses against an exhausted defender" to "Russia will waltz into an EU and NATO member state and nobody will do anything"? Someone remarked elsewhere that the general mainstream media in the last few years has had plenty of "Ukraine is doomed" articles in the autumn when the seasonal depression (= darkness) starts hitting. Wouldn't surprise me at all, whether it's from human nature causes or more from a propaganda perspective.
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Dec 6, 2025 17:16
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GABA ghoul posted:You can probably count on Poland being in it, but everything else is less than certain. That kind of depends on if our own local Nazis gain power or not (currently 3rd in polling, potential coalition material with PiS).
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Dec 6, 2025 17:21
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jaete posted:Someone remarked elsewhere that the general mainstream media in the last few years has had plenty of "Ukraine is doomed" articles in the autumn when the seasonal depression (= darkness) starts hitting. Wouldn't surprise me at all, whether it's from human nature causes or more from a propaganda perspective.
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Dec 6, 2025 18:29
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:In the 2030s Russia's place on the world stage is highly dependent on how quickly they can settle Ukraine. Would it be Russia, or Putin? Because once Putin keels over, who knows what's going to happen to the lands called Russia?
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Dec 6, 2025 20:18
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Mistle posted:Would it be Russia, or Putin? Because once Putin keels over, who knows what's going to happen to the lands called Russia? I think I might. What video game was it where the Russian Federation breaks into 6 or 7 factions, all fighting against each other?
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Dec 6, 2025 20:31
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HolidayDrunk posted:I think I might. What video game was it where the Russian Federation breaks into 6 or 7 factions, all fighting against each other? At that point Ukraine swoops in, incorporating them one by one into the new Ukraine Federation.
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Dec 6, 2025 20:33
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HolidayDrunk posted:I think I might. What video game was it where the Russian Federation breaks into 6 or 7 factions, all fighting against each other? That can happen in Terra Invicta. Though probably not the game you're thinking of if you're thinking of a more normal game. It's a political simulator that takes place during an alien invasion where you take control of a shadowy organization that champions a specific ideology regarding how to respond to the aliens. That game starts in October 2022 and the only war (in the game's mechanics where war is a specific thing) is the Russian-Ukraine war. What's fun is that over time they adjusted the relative military strengths of both sides to account for the fact that in real life Ukraine held out longer than expected. Russia (and other large countries) are comprised of like a dozen regions and many regions or groups of 2-3 regions in the game can form breakaway states, so all large real-life nations can fall apart into all sorts of random microstates. This can happen if you sink resources into stoking unrest in a country, but if the aliens take control of a nation and you start liberating regions they might decide they were better off not being who they used to be. The opposite is also true, you can federate or unify nations into mega nations. There's no "Ukraine eats Russia" option but Russia and Ukraine can both eventually be integrated into a massive version of the European Union if you want.
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Dec 6, 2025 20:42
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GABA ghoul posted:An AfD government in Germany is very unlikely to intervene on behalf of the Baltics if the US does not get involved and chances are very high that such a government will be in power within the next ~10 years. Germany just stationed a entire brigade to its new and permanent military base in lithuania. After the little green men in Crimea, there has been a constant rotation of tripwire troops and airforce from multiple countries at the same time. While I understand that this thread tends to fall to doomposting from time to time, lets try to keep somewhat close to reality.
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Dec 6, 2025 21:35
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Nessus posted:are you hypothesizing the journos get depressed or that the editors want to increase their gloom and doom quotient I mean, all of that yeah. Also the propaganda timings most likely vary as well.
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Dec 6, 2025 22:01
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