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2023 NFL free agency officially starts March 15 at 4 p.m. ET. The negotiating window starts March 13 at noon ET. Free agency tracker: https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/2023-nfl-free-agency-tracking-every-signing/ Projected cap space: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ quote:A top 25 list of notable free agents
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Add a couple more bodies to the pile: https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1633575165778079744?s=20 https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1633573784350523392?s=20
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Mar 8, 2023 22:10
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I mean just scanning this list I'm pretty sure Jessie Bates is a much better player pound for pound than Orlando Brown Jr. but I guess positional value is king and teams are always in dire need of decent tackles anyway someone get Jessie Bates out of the AFCN I'm sick of that guy
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wandler20 posted:2023 NFL free agency officially starts March 15 at 4 p.m. ET. ty for making a thread
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Mar 8, 2023 22:42
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Ehud posted:ty for making a thread Been thinking about it for a bit and came across that FA tracker and didn't want to lose the link so I basically made it for that link. Usually they're not that deep on players.
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Mar 8, 2023 22:50
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if i had to grade bates' last 3 seasons i would say A-, C, B+. i don't know why he had a barely average year in there but it's probably worth not caring. won't replace the dude easily. have to try. have to make sure there's enough money for some other people while joe mixon is hitting the cap for over 12 million dollars. sex wit hthe bengals
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Okay, I'm a little heart-broken, so let me just effort post for ya'll, about Buffalo Bills free agents, and who you should be excited to sign, and who...is just a guy. Great Players LB Tremaine Edmunds Edmunds is a 25 year-old linebacker with A+ size and athleticism: the kind of linebacker half the league desperately wants. If you look at his play, he's actually more of a B+/A- linebacker: he seems to process things just a hair slow, and occasionally it makes him end up looking plain silly, like when he got annihilated by Jamar Chase in run defense in the disastrous Bengals game. More often, his insane speed and agility more than makeup for it. And he can run fit (and he'll probably tackle better on not the Bills, even!), he can cover, he can spy that pesky scrambling QB, he's the linebacker who can do it all, he's just frustrating because you can't help but think he should be a hair better. This dude is going to make a fuckload of cash, which sucks for the Bills, because they both A) Need him and B) Do not have a fuckload of cash. Unless he takes less to stay in Buffalo, he's probably gone, and that sucks. Linebackers like this don't exactly grow on trees... S Jordan Poyer Jordan Poyer is, without a doubt, one of the best safeties in the NFL. He can do anything you could want a safety to do and (usually) do it very well. He and Micah Hyde were arguably the league's premier safety tandem, but Poyer is turning 32 and has more than earned a rich contract the Bills probably cannot afford. And 32 year old safeties are definitely the kinds of players a cash-strapped team should think twice about paying. He'll probably live up to his contract for at least a year or two, but he was banged up semi-frequently this past year, so that is a cause for concern. The Good One RB Devin Singletary Yes, I am suggesting that giving Devin Singletary a second contract may not be disastrous, as long as it's a reasonable contract. Singletary is something of a survivor, a player the coaching staff, at times, seemed to go out of their way to avoid, giving seemingly infinite chances to old man Frank Gore, Zach Moss, and Matt Breida to displace him, but Singletary outlasted all of them to remain in the backfield and become the lead back on a pass-first team that doesn't use its running backs in the passing game much. Okay, so maybe that's unimpressive, but Singletary seems to be good at everything, though not great. He runs with good speed, good power, he pass blocks okay, he looked good on his few touches in the passing game...he's a good back, the kind you probably want to platoon but are happy to have. With James Cook and Nyheim Hines under contract, the Bills probably have better things to do than resign Singletary (given that they're already over the cap), but I could see him go on to be a reliable part of another team's offense for a few years before inevitably being sent off to the glue factory like all running backs are, sooner or later. Decent players DE Shaq Lawson He's a good run defender, but kind of limited as a pass rusher. He's a good rotational piece, but probably nothing more. P Sam Martin A good veteran punter. Kinda replaceable, but then, most punters are. RB Taiwan Jones The kind of scrappy veteran special teamer that's well worth a spot on the bottom of your roster. LB Tyler Matakevich See above. QB Case Keenum He briefly seemed like he might play meaningful snaps, but then Josh played through that elbow injury anyway and Keenum stayed on the bench. Could definitely do worse for a backup QB. DE Jordan Phillips Another decent rotational piece for your defensive line. Meh WR Jamison Crowder He spent the entire year injured, and Khalil Shakir obviated any need for him anyway. G Bobby Hart He was kinda okay as a reserve lineman. Don't start him. G Greg Van Roten He was kinda okay as a reserve interior lineman. Don't ever start him. OT David Quessenberry It's kind of concerning that he was a somewhat better pass blocker than Spencer Brown, because he's basically the same as the other two. LB A.J. Klein He's linebacker depth. He's okay. S Dean Marlowe A better safety than Cam Lewis or Jaquan Johnson. Yes, that's damning with faint praise, but he's at least rosterable. WR Jake Kumerow A future New York Jet, perhaps. OT Justin Murray Who? TE Tommy Sweeney This dude is in the dictionary as an example of a "warm body". Just Say No S Jaquan Johnson When Micah Hyde suffered that scary rear end neck injury, veteran reserve Jaquan Johnson was the first man up. Good lord did he loving suck out loud! He blew coverages, took angles so bad that they were bad compared to the lovely angles taken by other Bills defenders, and was benched for Damar Hamlin moreso because he was completely terrible than anything Damar Hamlin did. When Damar Hamlin died, Cam Lewis (a lovely converted CB) and Dean Marlowe(see above) took his place next to Poyer. In fact, they traded for Marlowe at the trade deadline, presumably because they were determined to keep Jaquan loving Johnson off the field. G Rodger Saffold This dude loving sucked out loud. I know he used to be good and made the Pro Bowl purely because he's played guard for a billion years, but he can't loving play guard to save his life anymore. He's kind of okay as a run blocker still, but he'll get your QB murdered in pass pro. Totally washed. Kurgarra Queen fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Brief rundown of some of the Colts' impending free agents: Bobby Okereke, LB - the guy who might actually get a big contract somewhere else this year. He's played well alongside Shaq Leonard the past few years, and when Leonard missed most of this year Okereke filled in admirably. The Colts will probably let him walk in the hopes that Leonard comes back finally healthy, and because EJ Speed and Zaire Franklin were also solid at LB this season. EJ Speed, LB - See above. Great special teams guy and pretty good LB, definitely a guy worth keeping around on a cheaper deal. Parris Campbell, WR - Finally played a complete season without getting injured, just in time for his contract year. Showed flashes of being a reliable downfield passing option, but by the end of the year he was firmly behind Michael Pittman and possibly even the rookie Alec Pierce. Wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back for the right price, but I have a feeling he'll end up in Carolina with Frank Reich. Yannick Ngakoue, DE - Colts traded for him to be the veteran pass rusher in Gus Bradley's scheme, and he delivered on that well enough. At the same time, though, he pretty decisively proved that he cannot be relied on as a run defender, so if you're paying for him just know that you're not getting a three-down guy. Will probably still get a bigger contract than the Colts are willing to pay somewhere else. Tyquan Lewis, DE - Sad story. Came back on a one-year deal after a season-ending knee injury derailed a promising run, and then the exact same thing happened again. He's well-liked in the building and when he's healthy he was pretty effective as a rotational pass rusher, but at a certain point it's hard to justify bringing him back. Matt Haack, P - Played well in relief of Rigoberto Sanchez, who went down with a season-ending injury before the season started. Sanchez should be ready to go for this year though, so hopefully Haack's audition lands him a gig somewhere else. Chase McLaughlin, K - Brought in to replace Rodrigo Blankenship after his Week 1 implosion, and kicked well the rest of the year. Probably should be brought back, no reason to overthink it. Matt Pryor, G - Fire him into the sun.
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Mar 9, 2023 06:03
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WR JuJu Smith-Schuster Came in to be the #2 and Tyreek Hill got him promoted quickly. Did.his job fine but it's clear he's lost something from a few years ago. Risky to pay near 20m on avg for a guy already getting his knees drained multiple times a season. WR Mecole Hardman Was a panic pick after the last Tyreek thing before the trade demand. Great athletic ability but will never have true receiver skills. How much is an occasional jet sweep worth? S Juan Thornhill Played great as a rookie until he ACL snapped in the finale against the Chargers. Took him really till this season to recover from it. Solid coverage guy that sometimes will be abused physically. Will hit FA as his replacement was taken a year ago. OT Orlando Brown Jr A big lumbering oaf with some bad feet. Overall the skillset is there for LT but his lumbering statue will sometimes lead him to get randomly wrecked one on one from the start while his feet also makes him a bit slower reacting initially and holding for an extended period of time. Should be noted that Mahomes has to be the hardest QB to guard an edge on an island for. With that said, he has an agent that demands he resets the market at OT. Don't expect a value sign here.
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Mar 9, 2023 11:28
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Orlando Brown : Jakobi Meyers this year, is that about right? Both have some significant limitations but given the weakness of the other options they still wind up the best available and thus likely to be paid.
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Mar 9, 2023 11:39
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LiquidFriend posted:WR Mecole Hardman It is worth noting he's absolutely elite on those sweeps and I'll miss that. I think we get a little too down on him as Chiefs fans occasionally, he's not the worst receiver out there if he's healthy. He just didn't live up to his draft position and is a #3 at best from what we know. Don't overpay for him or expect too terribly much and you might be happy with him, whoever gets him.
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Bucs free agent list ($49m over the cap AND all these free agents, just lol): Lavonte David - Still a great player. Might have lost a step but still one of the smartest players on the team. Hope they can bring him back. Jamel Dean - Some injury concerns but a very solid corner otherwise. Bucs won't be able to afford to keep him. Akiem Hicks - Still a solid rotational guy when he's healthy. Bucs run D was so much better when he played. Mike Edwards - Up and down safety who when is one can be good but pretty inconsistent. Anthony Nelson - EDGE who improves every season, probably will get a decent contract from someone and the Bucs won't be able to keep him. Willaim Gholston - Closing out his career but has been a Buc forever and I assumed he'll be back for one more year. Rakeem Nunez-Roches - Ok depth interior rusher, he'll be gone. Blaine Gabbert - A hero who will likely look for a different backup job. Sean Murphy Bunting - Up and down outside and in the slot. Can't imagine he'll have much of a market and Bowles likes him for some reason so I think he'll be back. Aaron Stinnie - Injured last year in camp and would've been cut otherwise. Josh Wells - Decent swing tackle but got hurt late in the year and probably won't be able to help anyone in 2023. Keanu Neal - Up and down play but probably worth signing for cheap. Pat OConnor - Great ST player and ok situational interior rusher. I think he comes back. Logan Ryan - Played pretty well when healthy, which wasn't a lot. Carl Nassib - JAG pass rusher. Never really flashed since coming back. Genard Avery - ST guy and not a great one there. Deadrin Senat - Low end depth DT. Dee Delaney - Depth corner. Cam Gill - Depth LB. Nick Leverett - Decent depth G but got hurt in camp last year. Scotty Miller - Can run a go route and that's about it. Breshad Perriman - Washed. Done. Gio Bernard - Washed. Done. Kyle Rudolph - Washed. Done. Julio Jones - Washed. Done.
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Patriots Free Agency: Jakobi Meyers - WR. Probably the best FA WR available, very similar production to what Christian Kirk did before getting that monster deal with the Jags. He's very slow for a WR and is probably best in the slot, but does plenty of work outside as well. Always open, the exact guy you want to convert 3rd and 7's. Jonathan Jones - CB. Slot guy who can play outside and had to most of last year. Very good player, struggled a bit to end the season though and is very short for a corner. Good man corner Shouldn't get what JC Jackson got, but will probably command a healthy deal. Devin McCourty - S. He's either re-signing with the Pats or retiring. He's old reliable Nelson Agholor - WR. He sucks poo poo. Sign him as a WR 4 if you want a guy that sucks. Isaiah Wynn - T. He's okay when healthy at LT. Injured a lot, skipped offseason stuff, got moved to RT where he was an abortion. Complete reclamation project for a team absolutely desperate for a tackle. Damien Harris - RB. He's a very solid platoon back. Gonna make some team happy for like $5m for a year. Jabrill Peppers - S. A very solid rotational player. Will be surprisingly priced and provide competent, unspectacular play. You'll barely notice he's there which is a great attribute. The kinda guy a smart team signs and nobody really ever talks about. Also is only 28. Marcus Cannon - T. He's getting up there in age, has trouble staying healthy. He's a guy you sign to hopefully give you half a season of acceptable spot starting. Raekwon McMillan - LB. Missed 2021 with an ACL, which cost him a lot of his athleticism this year. Was a rotational guy who made a couple plays, but was cooked a bunch. Worth a flyer maybe, as he's only 28, so might come back and show okay play. Mack Wilson - LB. Also gets cooked a bit, but made more plays then Raekwon in the process. Also only 26. Worth a flyer. Carl Davis / Daniel Ekuale - IDL. Putting these two together because they're rotational DT's that play 20% of snaps and don't do much. Ho hum. Joe Cardona - LS . A longsnapper, he ain't leaving. Cody Davis - Old ST player, he's probably done. Michael Palardy - P. loving terrible.
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Mar 9, 2023 17:41
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gently caress this noise. I can't imagine him in another uniform. https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1633886938624081931?s=20 Plus he'd only net at best a 5th round comp pick for being in the league 10+ years.
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Mar 9, 2023 18:48
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wandler20 posted:gently caress this noise. I can't imagine him in another uniform. hey gently caress this!!
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Mar 9, 2023 19:26
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Kalli posted:He sucks poo poo. Sign him as a WR 4 if you want a guy that sucks. This really made me laugh
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wandler20 posted:. Washed implies there was ever a time that Breashad Perriman was not bad. This is a lie.
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Mar 9, 2023 20:01
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Washed implies there was ever a time that Breashad Perriman was not bad. This is a lie. Hey, he had like a 4 game stretch with Jameis during the 30 for 30 season where he played great! Granted he was WR1 since Godwin and Evans got hurt and Jameis was just chucking poo poo up there. But yeah, that's all I got.
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Mar 9, 2023 20:21
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Washed implies there was ever a time that Breashad Perriman was not bad. This is a lie. Looking at the 2015 draft for WRs is really funny. We've been spoiled by so many top picks hitting lately First round selections: Amari Cooper (you want more out of the #4 pick but he's Jerry Rice compared to the rest of these losers) Kevin White (lol) DeVante Parker (lol) Nelson Agholor (lol) Breshad Perriman (lol) Phillip Dorsett (lol) ... some round 2 idiots like Dorial Green-Beckham and Devin Funchess ... Tyler Lockett Round 3 ... Stefon Diggs mid 5th wtf 2016 was dire too outside of Tyreek (weirdly also in the 5th). Bonus comedy that like half of those round 1 busts went on to 100% predictable failed stints on the Pats Docjowles fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Mar 9, 2023 21:03
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Docjowles posted:Stefon Diggs mid 5th wtf Diggs benefited from the universal law that the Vikings must always have a top-tier receiver no matter what
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Mar 9, 2023 21:47
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I like how Kevin White and Breshad Perriman are basically the same player in every type of measurable and they are the same player in terms of sucking rear end too
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Mar 9, 2023 22:39
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Is Kevin White the highest drafted WR without a single touchdown? Hell, is he the highest drafted skill position player without a TD? Was having this conversation with a friend a couple of weeks ago and couldn't thinking of anyone else, and google got me no answers.
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Mar 10, 2023 16:15
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There has to be somebody who got injured before their rookie season and never saw the field or something like that.
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Mar 10, 2023 16:50
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https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1634219060652113921?s=20 https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1634220421045436417?s=20 wandler20 fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mar 10, 2023 16:52
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fishing with the fam posted:Is Kevin White the highest drafted WR without a single touchdown? Hell, is he the highest drafted skill position player without a TD? Was having this conversation with a friend a couple of weeks ago and couldn't thinking of anyone else, and google got me no answers. The Puppy Bowl posted:There has to be somebody who got injured before their rookie season and never saw the field or something like that. I was going to guess Curtis Enis as s skill position player based on this logic, but he had 4 whole NFL TDs If you go way back I'm sure you can find someone who just found it easier to ditch the league and go sell insurance or something. e: Bo Jackson would have been the answer if the Royals didn't let him play football. And as it turns out maybe they should not have let him do that (we're all glad they did). Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Here's a brief primer on Mike Gesicki, who I wish the best of luck on his future endeavors- He's pretty fast, 6'6" with a 40+ inch vertical leap which is not at all a purely academic matter because he's very much got the volleyball style elevations down with good timing. He's got good hands, has made a bunch of circus one-handed catches, and is particularly good at vertical routes- he's very much a deep threat at the position. He is very much not a tight end though, think of him more as a very weird slot receiver. He cannot block. It's really just all wrong- his playing strength sucks, his center of gravity his high because his build is like 70% legs, and he simply does not seem to like it or care very much. Sometimes he looks like nothing so much as a baby giraffe taking its first steps. He simply isn't very physical even beyond that- he's very jammable for a tight end, he isn't going to break any tackles. His route tree is also a bit wonky, he had really good change of direction and agility performance at the combine but he really simply does not show it on the field- any sort of serious route stem will slow him down. IMO he should go to a team with a big-armed, talented quarterbacks who will trust him to make the catch even when he doesn't get good separation. Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes would probably be a lot of fun, and he might break 1,000 yards. If he goes to the wrong situation, he's going to end up producing like he did with the Dolphins this year. You also kind of need a traditional "Y" TE with him- one of the white elephant elements of rostering him is that you've basically got all or most of a full-time starting Y-TE's worth of snaps opposite of him. Hamhandler fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mar 10, 2023 17:43
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Diva Cupcake posted:https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1634239347380633613?s=46&t=DcBXErlGIUJUj8quAgYfkQ I'm very meh on this. I don't think he has much left.
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mcmagic posted:I'm very meh on this. I don't think he has much left. explains Baltimore's interest
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Most of the titans free agents suck rear end. Nate Davis is a decent to good RG who is not going to impress you in pass pro but also isn’t going to be a huge liability. David long is very good but beat up frequently. Hoping the titans resign him. Bud Dupree, Taylor Lewan, and Ben Jones all got cut. Dupree is good when he isn’t hurt but he missed like twelve games over the last two seasons and is definitely not worth more than rotational money. Would like the titans to sign a stopgap WR, David long, and a good lineman to pair with, hopefully, a lineman drafted at 11. Otherwise I don’t really care.
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Mar 10, 2023 18:44
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Mar 10, 2023 19:09
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Did just Jets happen to him? Seemed alright with the jaguars even if clearly outclassed by ETN https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1634251310328324096
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Okay, I'm a little heart-broken, so let me just effort post for ya'll, about Buffalo Bills free agents, and who you should be excited to sign, and who...is just a guy. +1 to everything you said except I think you were a tad charitable on Bobby Hart.
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Does Thielen have anything left?
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the best Ravens UFA is Ben Powers (26), who quietly developed into an excellent LG. a very good signing if your team needs help on the OL. the Ravens won't be able to afford what other teams will certainly offer him. Josh Oliver (26) is a great blocking TE with decent hands. Justice Hill (25) had a good 2022 out of nowhere, both as an RB and special teams ace, but RBs are so undervalued that I don't know if anyone will be interested. all the other notable Ravens UFAs are 30+ year olds. from those, the only two probably worth anything are Marcus Peters (30) and Justin Houston (34!). Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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indigi posted:Does Thielen have anything left? I thought it was this thread that listed Thielen as "top 5 in TDs across the last 3 years" but I can't find it so it must have been elsewhere. Regardless, that's kind of a weird stat, let's zoom/enhance 2020: 14 2021: 10 2022: 6 (and played in 4 more games than the previous year) trend seems bad. Especially when his selling point at this stage of his career was "he just catches touchdowns". To be fair if I had Justin Jefferson to throw to I wouldn't target anyone else either. But I think he's running out of gas Docjowles fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mystic Stylez posted:the best Ravens UFA is Ben Powers (26), who quietly developed into an excellent LG. a very good signing if your team needs help on the OL. the Ravens won't be able to afford what other teams will certainly offer him. wouldn't surprise me if Powers went cheap given that I thought the same thing was gonna happen for Bozeman and he ends up taking a really affordable deal with Carolina
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Mystic Stylez posted:all the other notable Ravens UFAs are 30+ year olds. from those, the only two probably worth anything are Marcus Peters (30) and Justin Houston (34!). JPP too, and he was pretty good last year. I’d take both him and/or Houston back if they were cheap.
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