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Smythe posted:cool part about dementia is you're too far gone to know when you're too far gone. pretty epic for me and half my living and dead relatives. ive read all kinds of stories about "assisted suicide pacts" between parents and children dealing with dementia and they make me very sad. soon this burden will inevitably fall upon me, and then to my kin. pretty based. great disease.  It is one area in which the medical advancements are coming along & will prolly be useful by the time you're an old. One of the studies I read recently said vitamin D can help stave it off.
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Dreylad posted:Yeah I have no doubt. COVID devastated these places. In Ontario they had to call in the army to help in a few residences. Privatization meant that old people were left in bed for over 24 hours without any check-in. I heard a few stories from a couple of relatives who work in the industry and it's terrible. My mother-in-law currently works in a nursing home and I'm convinced she's immune to COVID because she's been exposed like a dozen times because residents are transferred on to her floor and no one tells her or the other staff that the new person tested positive for COVID. I still have 50 bookmarks from 2020 on the massacres in elder & congregate living, thanks to the governors who allowed for-profit nursing home owners to write their emergency executive orders. There's a pulitzer there if someone ever has the stomach to write it.
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McCracAttack posted:Not that it will do any good for folks in the US, but what are some countries that are handling this correctly? Or at least better? This is something I'm wondering about. Are they any places that don't just leave it up to individuals to pay for incredibly expensive care? Or more realistically in the US context, most individuals don't pay for the necessary care because they can't afford it and instead receive inadequate care or no care at all. Weka seemed to suggest that New Zealand capped aged care costs, which seems like a good start. Weka posted:Anyway I live in a country where the government does things so it's illegal to charge more than $800 a month for rest home care. quote:Maximum Contribution Applying in Each Territorial Local Authority Region From 1 September 2022 Not sure if I'm getting the details right but at first glance this appears much much better than the US case, where average monthly nursing home costs can be up to ~$10000 and that might not even be a great level of care. Maybe there are downsides, for example capping individual costs might not necessarily translate into good care quality. Also worth asking whether such a care price-cap system could be implemented in places like the US or Canada.
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Willa Rogers posted:There's a pulitzer there if someone ever has the stomach to write it. Why would you win a pulitzer for that? No one gives a poo poo about mass boomer death in old folks homes. That's why they got put there in the first place. It's also why no one lifted a finger to help them when covid hit.
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Former premier of Ontario, Mike Harris, is the chair of Chartwell Retirement Residences, the largest for-profit retirement home provider in Ontario. Covid-19 cut a swath through these homes and some 80% of all the initial covid deaths in the 2020 wave in Ontario were from Chartwell homes. He personally gutted the public healthcare system during his tenure as premier and then profited off the deaths of seniors during the pandemic. He was awarded the Order of Ontario in 2020 and has suffered absolutely no ill consequences whatsoever from his lifetime of enriching the wealthy at the expense of the public purse. Seniors are hosed. So are the rest of us.
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Willa Rogers posted:
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drat horror queefs posted:Former premier of Ontario, Mike Harris, is the chair of Chartwell Retirement Residences, the largest for-profit retirement home provider in Ontario. 80 percent of minnesota's initial covid deaths were in nursing home; 60 percent of pennsylvania's. Other congregate living situations--prisons, agricultural dorms, group homes--were also hit hard. And the isolation imposed on congregate living situations for the elderly & developmentally disabled meant that there was no gatekeeping/watchdogging against abuse, whether from in-person state inspections or family members (who are usually better at whistleblowing than the regulatory captive state agencies). Even now, three years later, thinking or reading about this is incredibly distressing, more so bc it's been memory-holed.
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Smythe posted:drat i hope so lol can you even pass a cognitive now?
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:my grandma just got out of the hospital with COVID and Pneumonia. She's coming up on 90 soon and seems to have lost a lot of joy from her life, she basically constantly talks about how she was ready to die in the hospital and kind of expected to. kinda sucks that she can't just choose to OD on heroin in a safe way imo. thread update: grandma dead, glad she's no longer suffering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM
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When I was in Medicaid administrative law judge regularly heard various issues surrounding long term care for seniors and disabled adults. The rules aren't that complicated but local agencies love to gently caress them up and not give people benefits they are entitled to. Don't even get me started on the private companies charged with ensuring everyone is cared for as cheaply as possible
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a boomer, sowing: hahahaha yes! a boomer, reaping: this sucks what the gently caress seriously though with the ever accelerating pace of climate change I’m quite confident that elder care will not exist by the time I need it in thirty or so years. assuming I’m not dead already, that is. sucks how even the most benign measures like legal assisted suicide are somehow perverted to (literally, for once) murder the poor and disabled while enriching those at the top of the pile. someone should do something
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Medicare tests a solution to soaring hospice costs: Let private insurers run it posted:For the last four decades, Medicare has covered hospice services – including grief counseling, spiritual support and pain management – for terminally ill people. The benefit has helped more than 25 million Americans die more on their own terms, often at home, with the support of chaplains, social workers, nurses and others. The privatization is obviously a scam, but I think expanding eligibility to people still under treatment is a great idea because right now dying patients are incentivized to avoid hospice until the very last moment.
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no idea how someone explicitly in the game for making as much profit as quickly as possible is going to address "soaring" costs
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The feds have filled the insurance troughs via ACA & "Medicare" "Advantage" and by privatizing Medicaid so I guess we should've expected insurers to find yet another way to fatten themselves with taxpayers' money. And of course it's under the auspice of "fraud" even though the most fraudulent schemes have been under MA.
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my parents are both at the upper age limit of boomers, my bad was literally born jan 1946, my mom july 1948 I don't think my dad will be around for many more years just based on family history and health conditions. But it's possible of course. On the other hand, my mom's mother and grandmother lived to 91 and 99 respectively, so I expect she'll stiill be around for another 15+ years. They do have long term care insurance, but I don't know all the details. She was a public school teacher and retired at 55 with a full pension, and they've had plenty of money to go on fancy trips since they retired almost 20 years ago. I'm an only child and don't have children, so it is a bit nervewracking.
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actionjackson posted:my parents are both at the upper age limit of boomers, my bad was literally born jan 1946, my mom july 1948 sorry homie. that sounds likely a tough position to be in. wish this wasn’t hellworld
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Weka posted:I didn't read that whole article but do you really need a qualification to wipe an old nutters arse? Just get a nice illegal immigrant to come and stay with you or something. I have no qualifications other than being family, but I'm currently to full time caretaker of my parkinson's the and dementia riddled grandmother. Pays better than any job I've had the last decade and it's still a bargain based on cost of in home care or a memory care facility that won't just let her rot due to negligence. Good thing social bonds are super strong in this great land of ours...
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TehSaurus posted:sorry homie. that sounds likely a tough position to be in. wish this wasn’t hellworld I mean it might be fine, I have no idea. I'm still pretty lucky overall, because as I mentioned my mother got a full pension, and my dad had a relatively high paying job (though he retired earlier than he wanted to).
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I was curious about the aged care situation in different countries. There's some surprising variation though it appears individuals are generally responsible for the costs with varying degrees of state support: -United States: individuals must pay, medicare/medicaid will pay an inadequate amount if someone doesn't have enough income or assets -Canada: province dependent, individuals generally pay costs but for example in Ontario the "co-payment' costs are capped -UK: people generally must pay for their care themselves but local councils will cover the costs if someone doesn't have enough assets -Australia: individuals must pay but the govt will cover the costs if someone doesn't have enough income or assets -New Zealand: individuals must pay for care but the maximum amount any care home is capped and district health boards cover the outstanding costs. Also support for low income, assets people. It looks like New Zealand is the only state that limits what care homes can charge ever. Probably getting some of the details wrong, the financial details can be confusing IMO. There's a cost overview on wikipedia too. A quote from the UK aged care page I found: quote:Dementia Care
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actionjackson posted:I don't think my dad will be around for many more years just based on family history and health conditions. But it's possible of course. On the other hand, my mom's mother and grandmother lived to 91 and 99 respectively, so I expect she'll stiill be around for another 15+ years. They do have long term care insurance, but I don't know all the details. She was a public school teacher and retired at 55 with a full pension, and they've had plenty of money to go on fancy trips since they retired almost 20 years ago. I'm an only child and don't have children, so it is a bit nervewracking. I'd recommend you and your parents sit down and talk about all this well before it becomes a pressing issue. Talk about their wishes, what you're willing to do, financials, etc. It's easier to have these conversations ahead of time instead of when you're in a hospital waiting room wondering, "Well what are we going to do now?"
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McCracAttack posted:I'd recommend you and your parents sit down and talk about all this well before it becomes a pressing issue. Talk about their wishes, what you're willing to do, financials, etc. It's easier to have these conversations ahead of time instead of when you're in a hospital waiting room wondering, "Well what are we going to do now?" for sure, I already have a bunch of paperwork, I just need to look it over some more
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Turns out this thread topic is obsolete, Biden has taken action to address the long-term care problem: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1648458482474180608 The order is long and I don't really understand it but I think it amounts to directing agencies to check if any discretionary funds can be used to provide long-term care benefits to federal workers. No actual specific money is being directed to address long-term care costs. It's a good thing that Biden did this because long-term care costs are bad. Here's a nice webpage that allows you to see how much various long-term care options cost in your area, if you're in the US: https://www.genworth.com/aging-and-you/finances/cost-of-care.html Note that this page is produced by a company that provides long-term care insurance and retirement related financial services. They're kind of saying "look how expensive long-term care can be (so buy some of our insurance)". That being said the median nursing home cost in my area is apparently ~$13000 a month. Would say it's weird that necessary old-age care is apparently a luxury good, but it's honestly not that weird in the American context. Nocturtle has issued a correction as of 18:58 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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