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I have never heard about any of this. When did this occur?
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Fluffdaddy posted:This normal for RP? A list of hosed up poo poo this long? I am being serious with this question. Normal? No. But there are "serious" "adult-themed" etc. RPGs out there, and most folks consider them acceptable if they are run in a safe way. There are also "adult" themed games that are written by perverts and racists etc. and they use the "well actually this is mature gaming" line as an excuse. Let's go ahead and lay out what else is normal:
RPGs have a long and terrible history of unsafe gaming. Gary Gygax himself said women couldn't really roleplay because their brains were wrong or something. OG games like D&D had racism built into their DNA in some respects. Cons were at times notorious for covering up sexual assault and harassment, by con-goers and invited luminaries etc. Noted "D&D with porn stars" RPG author and, as concluded by a judge in a lawsuit this past month actual rapist Zac Smith engaged in years of harassment against trans gamers including driving one of TG's own trans goons entirely off the internet with his legions of doxxing followers. Gamers have developed tools for safer gaming over the years, and it is increasingly normal and common for these tools to be defaults throughout the hobby world, at least in the US. These tools are especially important in any game that will have difficult or potentially harmful or triggering themes. One of the most important tools is that a player must be allowed to stop the action and say "I am not OK with this" and the GM and other players must respect that and do whatever is necessary to fix it. This could be as innocuous as respecting a person's arachnophobia by deciding the spider monster is actually a lizard monster, or as obviously critical as deciding that a scene where a character is sexually assaulted is unacceptable and there must not be a sexual assault in this scene, or at all. When a player raises an issue with the game or their character, GMs who understand their responsibilities need to listen and make changes, irrespective of the desire to maintain coherence of the game, or be true to the story, or explore themes, or whatever. It's important not to ostracize or to make a player feel embarrassed for raising an issue, because that has a chilling effect on all players in that game. People already feel social pressure not to be disruptive; that's why you need to make it clear from the outset that a red flag (or whatever tool you use) is not "being disruptive", it's expected. Dissemination and understanding of these tools is of course not uniform, and there are gamers who push back hard against them, as being symptomatic of "woke culture" or "pussified gaming" and so on. We do not tolerate that poo poo in TG, though. I am not attempting to make any excuses here, I do not think I really understand what is alleged to have happened, nobody has ever raised any of this with me before. I just want to lay out what isn't shocking or weird about this situation, so that folks can focus on the important parts. e. A whole page of posts happened while I was typing this. Being thorough is bad if it means being too slow, obviously. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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One or two posters seem to be confused so I think it's important to reiterate that all of this stuff appears to have taken place offsite. There's nothing in Podima's post history about it, as far as I know.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:43
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Bottom Liner posted:loving and? it was a TG recruited game and the other people involved were posters here. And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. There's this idea that jeff needs to do background checks on potential admins. Maybe asking publicly "hey should this person be an admin" should happen, sure. But just looking at post history obviously doesn't turn up things that took place offsite.
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Lady Radia posted:leperflesh i like you but literally all anyone is asking for is community input on this poo poo because yes you all should have known because you should have been involved with the community in this decision. jesus loving christ. Yeah that's a reasonable suggestion. I don't know if it'd turn into like a popularity contest or election campaigns or something, but if it's what needs to be done so that things like this get reported in advance, maybe that's for the best. I heard they've been soliciting community input into mod selections over in one of the politics forums lately, sounds like that's working OK. Magnetic North posted:Now, is this because of an issue with previous Trad Games mods would not have listened? That sounds plausible, considering what I know of the TG moderation team as it was composed until recently. Also, I think in the distant past generally the site as a whole didn't want to import offsite drama** but this may show that may not be working. I am given to understand this stuff happened in (one game) 2018, and (the other) 2020/21. I was a mod of TG starting in late 2020. The previous mod had been missing from the site for months at that point. So there was certainly a gap around that time, which is unfortunate. And I barely knew what the gently caress I was doing at first, I don't think I know these posters in question well or at all, so I can understand if anyone didn't feel comfortable coming to me about it immediately. One of the reason the site needs a good list of admins though is so that if anyone feels uncomfortable talking to a moderator of their forum (or if there just isn't one), they have a list of admins they can go to and hopefully at least one or two they trust. I agree that while importing offsite drama into threads has been awful in the past and still probably needs to be restricted, discussing offsite stuff via PMs, with site staff should be on the table, especially when the behavior is egregious or harmful.
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That Little Demon posted:SOMEHOW HE WAS MADE AN ADMIN? It look 3 loving seconds to look at the post history and connect the dots here Perhaps I misunderstood this.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I was wondering whom you meant by "one or two posters" being confused. I didn't particularly want to call out one poster and be like "you're wronnnnng" and also I am not sure if responses to that post were about that one sentence or not. This whole episode, the roleplaying stuff, was revealed in a kind of mixed, confusing way, and I feel kind of protective of TG and I really don't want anyone to accidentally think that we would let games like that run here on the forums. TG needs to be a safe place for people to play games. That means its mods and IKs need to be 100% on what constitutes safe gaming and how to do it.
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