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Fumble posted:So you can protest there with out being loving shot, gassed and a tank driven over you house? Not if you're Arab
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Fumble posted:So you can protest there with out being loving shot, gassed and a tank driven over you house? I mean yes, there's a world of difference between Israel and Israeli citizens and what goes on in the occupied West Bank, there's a reason people pull out the Apartheid analogies.
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Mar 27, 2023 08:34
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The initial changes were approved to go for a vote in the Knesset today. So it's up to Bibi if they delay it or not. Also, due to the strike all outgoing flights from Israel are halted.
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Mar 27, 2023 08:37
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BBC news on our local radio is telling me that Adele has extended her Vegas residency. No, Israel was not mentioned in the other headlines why do you ask?
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Mar 27, 2023 08:40
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Seems expectations are that he is going to halt the law.
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Mar 27, 2023 08:41
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So these people don’t care when Palestinians are murdered and flood the streets when a defense minister is fired? jeez
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Mar 27, 2023 09:06
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Fumble posted:So you can protest there with out being loving shot, gassed and a tank driven over you house? when your white anything goes.
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Mar 27, 2023 09:12
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Goofus and Gallant
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Mar 27, 2023 09:29
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Did people really really like the old defense minister or something
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Mar 27, 2023 09:33
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If you read the previous posts, you can see that the issue isn't really about the defence minister. There have been constant protests in recent months over the government trying to (amongst other things) to completely gut the Supreme Court's ability to overrule any law whatsoever. An unfortunate alliance between the corrupt who don't want to go to prison and the ones who want to trample over human and (ir)religious rights without any sort of oversight (so if you think Israel was bad so far..). One of the protests were by reserve servicemen, and that and some other things caused the defence minister to ask the government to halt the lawmaking until they can get to some agreement, since in his & the IDF's opinion this is hurting israel's war-readiness. So.. Bibi promptly fired him, and that was the casus-belli for this round (basically they're saying "Bibi doesn't even care about the security of the country as long as he can get his reform passed and avoid jailtime).
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Mar 27, 2023 09:43
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Politicals seizing control of the judiciary is a cool and good thing and in no way a portent of Bad Things. They just want to make sure the judges can't stop them doing the Good Things like pesky judges always do.
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Mar 27, 2023 09:46
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Mar 27, 2023 09:46
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CommieGIR posted:Ahhhh Bibi, the Trump of Israel. I like to think of him as the Erdoğan, or perhaps Duda, of Israel.
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Mar 27, 2023 09:53
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Wifi Toilet posted:bibis nutz
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Mar 27, 2023 10:15
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I just wanted you to know. We're all counting on you.
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Mar 27, 2023 10:20
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Much like the french protests, it's nice to see the western media is keeping quiet about this. It could give people dangerous ideas.
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Mar 27, 2023 10:27
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Much like the french protests, it's nice to see the western media is keeping quiet about this. What? It's all over the news where I'm at. Complain about specific news channel instead of making up some generalized bullshit. Toxic Mental posted:Did people really really like the old defense minister or something Unrest has been brewing for a while, even in the armed forces, about the implications of this, people saying they wouldnt want to serve if this law came into effect. Defense minister recently broguth attention to that and said that the law is a threat to the country's security (and democracy) and then Netanyahu fired him. It's more about the circumstances of him being fired than much about him personally as I understand it.
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Current update: - Pretty much everybody's on strike now, schools are out, the street outside is full of people holding flags and honking cars, the Ayalon highway is blocked again. To understand the general vibe, imagine that Trump has been president for the last 25 years and also that there's no constitution or anything else holding him back Protestors put a large statue of the Israeli declaration of independence near the highway entrance, which many Israelis are now demanding to make into an actual constitution (This has been attempted for the last 75 years so I wouldn't hold my breath, but who knows) - I wanted to join the protests but after walking for a few minutes I heard an explosion and then saw smoke and fire coming out of a nearby building so I headed home, a friend of mine who lives nearby sent his drone to take a photo:  - This is probably unrelated to the protests though, just an opportunistic assassination attempt against a known criminal (phew) - I'll probably join the protests again later As for your questions: - Israeli police doesn't kill anybody but they do use limited amounts of force (mostly water cannons and horses) to disperse the crowds. They didn't do anything last night because they knew it would lead to a disaster if they tried to bring in horses to a closed area with thousands of angry people inside so they waited almost until morning until most people left. Ben Gvir is very upset about not being able to hurt the protestors more but so far the police isn't taking the risk - If anything the police mostly ignores Arabs. This is not a good thing for them, the crime rates in Arab towns are incredibly high. Yet another thing that will explode in our face eventually (Pretty much every problem we have today existed in 1948 and was ignored for decades) More later hopefully
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Randarkman posted:What? It's all over the news where I'm at. Complain about specific news channel instead of making up some generalized bullshit. Lol. Ok. Quick look. https://www.politico.com/ In their defense, they do have an article available. But read it to see it's very very downplayed about how big the protests are. https://thehill.com/ https://www.foxnews.com/ No surprise here. https://www.msnbc.com/ https://www.cnn.com/ This genuinely surprised me. https://apnews.com/ I knew this would be rightfully the front page news here before I opened it. Still not wrong about France. 
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Mar 27, 2023 11:04
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Lol. Ok. Quick look. oh when you said western you meant america, the dumbass country, got it
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Mar 27, 2023 11:27
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Was the defense minister that got fired that far right guy who was trying to provoke Palestinians, or was that a different defense-ish minister? Dunno much about this event, but lately it feels like Netanyahu looked at Putin and said "I want that, for me."
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Quantum of Phallus posted:oh when you said western you meant america, the dumbass country, got it I'm not trying to keep this stupid slapfight going but big things going on in Israel is a genuine interest piece to America and Americans. So, nice attempt to dismiss I guess?
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DGP Space Lion posted:- If anything the police mostly ignores Arabs. This is not a good thing for them, the crime rates in Arab towns are incredibly high. Yet another thing that will explode in our face eventually (Pretty much every problem we have today existed in 1948 and was ignored for decades) Lol I'm sure the Arab people feel the same way and wish the police were a more active presence in their lives
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Mar 27, 2023 11:35
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Bow down to your god every day.
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The Moon Monster posted:Was the defense minister that got fired that far right guy who was trying to provoke Palestinians, or was that a different defense-ish minister? Dunno much about this event, but lately it feels like Netanyahu looked at Putin and said "I want that, for me." You'll have to be more specific  There's Bezalel Smotrich, the finance minister, who for some reason went to Paris and made a speech about how Palestinians don't actually exist, and there's Itamar Ben Gvir, who somehow became the national security minister despite A) being a former member of a terrorist organization and B) Not serving in the army (due to being a known member of a terrorist organization) A++ government, no notes
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Wendigee posted:whats the source and who is this guy trying to keep it live? doesn't seem to be any news right now? its like watching cnn or fox with a *breaking* headline and they just put out words because they can't have dead air Just like almost any extended outside broadcast made by any TV station ever. Except for the 'FOX' part, because the reporter isn't trying to own the 'Libs' (in this case the hundreds of thousands of protesters representing millions of others). Dead air = mass channel changing by viewers, so he keeps talking. Autisanal Cheese posted:https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-27-2023-2/ Thanks for this "executive version", I'll open it in a browser tab and stay browsed.
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The Moon Monster posted:Was the defense minister that got fired that far right guy who was trying to provoke Palestinians, or was that a different defense-ish minister? Dunno much about this event, but lately it feels like Netanyahu looked at Putin and said "I want that, for me." Well he was a defense minister in Netanyahu's government from his party, so I'd say he probably qualifies for far right status. However as has already been stated, it's not really about him as much as the circumstances that caused him to be fired.
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Zeluth posted:Bow down to your god every day. who dat?
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What is it with men with bad combovers trying to turn their countries into dictatorships? I can think of like ... 5 examples easily
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Captain Splendid posted:What is it with men with bad combovers trying to turn their countries into dictatorships? white man is the devil
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Candy Darling posted:So these people don’t care when Palestinians are murdered and flood the streets when a defense minister is fired? A racist comment, since many Israelis would care about Palestinians. But as with citizens of other countries, there are rarely, if ever, huge protests about the maltreatment of others. it takes something like a serious risk to democracy itself to get that many people on the street, i.e. extreme danger to oneself and to one's immediate family members etc. (loved ones). Numbers at other protests worldwide generally top out in the tens of thousands, and that's for pretty big ones,rather than hundreds of thousands, as here. And of course there are literal thousands of years of bad blood between Jews and Arabs. Many of them do absolutely hate each other. Each "side" has members commit murder, and other acts of violence, on the reg., and many on each side support it. And IMO, unlike the good versions of Christianity, Buddhism etc,, neither side is huge on forgiveness. Without an overarching philosophy of forgiveness, people of each side would literally have to accept their close friends and beloved family members being murdered and maimed, over and over again, for perhaps decades after any official "truce". And not react (i.e. not support trying to "get even"). And no, the end of "religion", which will never happen anyway without murdering billions, deal with it atheists, would not fix it, look at, e.g., the Chinese Communist Party's human rights history, ffs. It's all, of course, a very nasty business, and I, like you, sure wish there was some easy solution. Because Israelis supporting (a very difficult) peace don't much make the News, it doesn't mean they're don't exist, or are not taking steps. Over the years I've opposed many of my (Australia's) leaders decisions. I've taken action a number of times (though personally I do wish I'd taken more). And (also, for instance) any U.S. citizen who does nothing about their governments' worst excesses is in effect supporting the likes of Trump, who may well cause the literal end democracy there, if he gets another term. I don't bother protesting much when the Right us in power here, because (1) They (leaders and rightwing media) don't give a poo poo, and (2) They use any bad street protester behavior as propaganda for their own cause. And there's always a minority at large protests who do behave badly. tldr: So I'm not the only one here with a TV-age attention span, hunh, at least I'm not on your ignore list, it appears. 
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Autisanal Cheese posted:https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-27-2023-2/ "Wait give us a sec to get a Right Wing counterprotest going, plz!" Jesus, how pathetic a response.
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I wonder how much the military opposition to this judiciary bill is linked to the recent truce between Saudi and Iran over Yemen. I've got to figure they're going to be concerned that Israel is going to have more pressing issues to focus on than whether Bibi is in prison or not in the near future.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Lol. Ok. Quick look. Half of those are on my daily "go check the news" list, and I read about the French protests on AP, Hill, Reuters, BBC, and Politico (pretty sure they were top headline on at least a couple). Wouldn't be surprised if at least MSNBC/CNN also had articles. They're not top bill on all (Politico/The Hill have a more domestic focus, so makes some sense; plus the 24 hour news cycle requires new stories pushed to the fore), but they deffo weren't invisible. Similarly, with the Israeli protests, I see coverage on AP, BBC, NPR, Politico, and Reuters. Saying there's no mainstream coverage is just as disingenuous as when crazy right-wingers complain about poo poo like "and NO ONE is talking about [insert thing that has coverage on prior mentioned services]"
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CommieGIR posted:"Wait give us a sec to get a Right Wing counterprotest going, plz!" They changed its location from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem because they knew they'd be massively outnumbered in Tel-Aviv, too.
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mercenarynuker posted:Similarly, with the Israeli protests, I see coverage on AP, BBC, NPR, Politico, and Reuters. Saying there's no mainstream coverage is just as disingenuous as when crazy right-wingers complain about poo poo like "and NO ONE is talking about [insert thing that has coverage on prior mentioned services]" If people look really closely they might even find a Reuters article linked in the OP of this very thread! Thanks for the update DGP. If you are joining the protests later I'll once again say be safe!
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Pontificating rear end posted:white man is the devil Sure, but then you have Erdogan
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Captain Splendid posted:Sure, but then you have Erdogan Much like how Boomerism is a mental state, so is whiteness.
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Saying that the ~MAINSTREAM MEDIA~ isn't covering a world altering event is absolutely disingenuous. Bring married to a recovering journalist and having seen her editors spike stories due to space or whatever that most of us would have kept going, saying that does a real disservice to the actual stories that aren't being covered. When was the last time you saw a national news story about a missing Black child? Hispanic one? What about the murders of trans people? If they're lucky, they may get something on the local website or local news before being sent into the ether. Meanwhile, we're still talking about Madeline McCann like 10 years later! Just because you don't necessarily see it doesn't mean it's not being covered. Politico's not going to cover it front page unless there's a major DC angle. Same with The Hill, which primarily covers... Capitol Hill. So maybe they'll cover it with lawmakers who are supportive/opposed to Israel but they're not going to be giving play by plays unless they aggregate the feed from the AP or Reuters or whatever
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