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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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I AM GRANDO posted:

Anybody recognize the symbols drawn onto those guns? I remember that nazbol shooter a few years ago did something similar. The taped-on vinyl sticker and Kirby decal on the car say we’re dealing with a pathetic nerd. That x with the circle around it looks like christian identity poo poo, but I don’t really know what I’m talking about there.

They look like badly painted sun crosses. They're Norse pagan symbols that are used by Nazis and occasionally some non-nazi pagans.

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Ershalim posted:

Probably going to regret asking this, but what exactly are the people saying we spend too little on border security complaining about? Do they want more camps, or more murders at the border, or some other thing that isn't occurring to me? I assume the question reads as border security [from Mexico], but is there another angle to it? Like, are people buying into copaganda that fentanyl from China is giving them Super Havana Syndrome or something?

I think you're giving people too much credit. The second you start talking to most people--even most politics nerds--about multi million dollar budgets they're no longer thinking in terms of concrete proposals or allocating funds here vs there. All the answers are the product of gut checks without the slightest bit of sanity checking because most people just don't have the experience or knowledge to figure out what spending X million on Y even looks like. "Spend more on healthcare" means "the healthcare system sucks" and not much more.

Wanting increased spending on border security may translate to "keep out foreigners" or "I'm really concerned with drug smuggling" but there's no way they have in mind a shortfall in spending and a plan that actually matches up to that shortfall. They don't even know enough about what ICE/CBP do to criticize what they're not doing. It's all feelings fumblingly dressed up as policy positions. Trying to translate this poo poo into policy preferences, let alone future voting patterns, is a fool's errand, imo.

I'm extremely not excluding myself or goons in general, here. We're just not wired to extemporize on society-scale budget priorities.

Edit: basically I agree with pork never goes bad

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9ppz/nashville-shooting-marjorie-taylor-greene-matt-walsh-anti-trans

quote:

On Tuesday night, Fox News spread anti-trans hate and disinformation on a primetime show often viewed by millions. “The Trans movement is targeting Christians,” a big news banner stated on the Tucker Carlson Tonight segment. Carlson went on to claim that trans people are the “natural enemy” of Christians. 

I can't tell whether the right is just designating a scapegoat in defense of guns or if they're hoping to foment stochastic terrorism against conservatives in response as some kind of accelerationist thing. Obviously I know what the out-and-proud Nazis want but it's wild to me how overt the RWM sphere is getting with this.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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lil poopendorfer posted:

Losing one’s temper is quite different from planning and executing the largest mass shooting—by a considerable margin—in US history. It’s not like this guy got denied a comped room and then immediately pulled an AR15 out at the hotel front desk.

You’re free to believe what you want. Given the history of the FBI, CIA, and other US alphabet agencies, i view their statements with a high degree of skepticism.

Are you saying you believe the attack was planned by someone else?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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TheDisreputableDog posted:

You are objectively, demonstrably wrong. White, blue-collar workers voted for Bill Clinton, and their lives continued to get worse. Thirteen percent of Trump voters also voted for Obama, without which the contest wouldn’t have even been close. Those people aren’t racist or motivated by race.

There’s no dearth of valid criticism to level against the right, but painting the voters as one dimensional cartoon characters isn’t one of them.

I remember goons who did door to door outreach for Obama posting stories about white people literally saying "we're voting for the nig." People can be racist without recoiling from POCs like vampires faced with crosses, and without it being their sole decision-making factor.

DC is absolutely oversimplifying things, I'm just sayin'

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Apr 4, 2023

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:

Yeah, this is an important point to remember. The outcome and punishment is certainly well short of what we were all hoping for, but the fact of the matter is that Dominion won, Fox News lost, and it's now legally on record that they are a corporation that knowingly and purposefully lies in their reporting.

e: it is a massive bummer that the settlement amount is like half of what Dominion was seeking.

This isn't actually the first lawsuit that found that, I thought

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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CuddleCryptid posted:

This kind of stuff is getting weaponzied a *lot* more nowadays and I think it comes down to a lot of people who value being seen as "allies" more than they prefer being right, and everyone knows that fact about them. ...

I'd say it's that, but also people invested more in tribal affiliation than being correct.

My current online un-favorite example is any questioning of unsourced claims of intentional wrongdoing by some group--governments, liberals, communists, Muslims, whatever--being met with "why are you giving _________ the benefit of the doubt?"

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

The only results I get for googling Turkish police foot shootings is turkish police killing people

And police in other countries killing people but that’s google

Other countries have or had the concept of "shoot to wound." I think Finland used to. The issue is that all of gun culture in America is full of absolutism, and the safety culture that's a big part of the relatively sane branch of American gun culture holds that warning shots and shoot to wound are invalid concepts, full stop.

The US military absolutely uses warning shots. For example, the Coast Guard will fire a machine gun burst ahead of a drug-running speedboat as a step in between hollering at them through a megaphone and taking shots at the boat's engine. The air force will do something similar if they're trying to convince an aircraft they're not sure can hear their radio communication that it should seriously consider landing.

Now I'm not saying that American civilians (or anyone) should fire shots wildly into the sky or that the dude in that video isn't a loving lunatic. Just that the American rando lens for viewing this issue is in fact extremely tinted.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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KillHour posted:

I'm pretty sure the coast guard doesn't need to shoot at a drug runner's boat because they have helicopters and you, in a boat, aren't going anywhere they can't follow you.

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They literally do. I wasn't speculating blindly, they for-a-fact do that. You can think they shouldn't, and you might even be right. But the idea that it's so clear-cut that anyone who disagrees can be asserted out of existence appears to be a uniquely American one.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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OctaMurk posted:

I think true spoons point is that if theres only two steps of escalation -- not shooting and shooting to kill -- then the cops are going to err on the side of shoot to kill a lot more often.

And if cops in other countries fire warning shots and kill less people, why shouldn't we at least look at if having this step in the escalation chain makes a difference or not?

Obviously, warning shots have some chance of killing people, but its far, far lower than shooting to kill.

This is what I'm trying to get at. There's a tendency to approach the issue in a vacuum, in terms of generalizations and, like, first principles. But America has a horrendous issue with gun violence, including from police, so I think it's important to consider that we (Americans) are products of our environment-- even those of us who are anti gun--and this makes our intuition on the subject unreliable.

Again, I'm not saying warning shots are a good idea. Just that blanket proclamations that they're bad should probably engage with the fact that they're used by a number of organizations that kill fewer innocent people per capita. That may be a coincidence or it may not.

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The whole "warning shot" issue is also different with police vs. random people. A warning shot is always an escalation. If you are running from the police and you get a warning shot, then you pretty much know what the situation is.

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Yeah absolutely. For the record I was deliberately focusing on a sub issue that actually has room for discussion, rather than "oh good another deranged yahoo about whom I can do nothing" which makes me sad.

In most municipalities, firing a gun in town without good reason is a crime. Even in the sticks, "warning shots" by civilians should be treated like intimidating with a firearm at best.

Christ, this country.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Byzantine posted:

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If Hitler could have somehow invaded the USSR without chewing up eastern Europe first, the capitalists would have backed him instead.

Is your contention that Britain and France would have been content to let Japan and Italy screw with their colonies, that fighting Japan and Italy wouldn't have eventually dragged in Germany, that Germany wouldn't have invaded France, or that none of these would have concerned the capitalists invested in those colonies (or France)?

This is an actual question. This assertion seems so out there I can't tell if I'm misreading which capitalists you're talking about or getting whooshed by sarcasm.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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CuddleCryptid posted:

For these kinds of things I generally assume that the people involved are trying to sell their guns anyways and figure $500 bucks isn't a bad deal for a cheap gun. Not to mention if you steal someone's gun and then hand it over then you can make a tidy profit. That's kind of what kicks these buyback programs down, they are really expensive and you end up getting someone's *extra* gun, and the bad one at that. It's "saving lives" in the sense that someone buying a gun and then leaving it untouched in a gun safe til it rusts saves lives.

I have absolutely no idea what would possess someone to hand over a non-AR platform rifle or antique gun for $75 unless it was either totally broken or really hot for some reason or another.

Some of those people had a relative die, found the gun in their house, and just want to get rid of the thing without getting arrested. And a lot of non gun people have really weird ideas about what guns are worth. "That thing's an antique, no way it's worth anything" is something I've actually heard about a WW2 handgun.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It only applies to websites over a certain size and based in the U.S.

The pornhub video that is the only thing accessible from Utah right now lays out the problems with that because it will direct people to sites hosted outside of the country that doesn't verify their content like pornhub does or may have malicious pop-ups/viruses.

It will also funnel people to weirder content that flew under the radar. I guarantee there are hentai and furry sites with enough users to qualify that nonetheless won't get filtered because no one on congressional staff wants to explain yiffing to their boss.

mawarannahr posted:

Which Kurds are officially communist?

YPG are syndicalist, iirc

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Beast Pussy posted:

For how long? When does discussion start about what the people can do as our government slowly becomes more and more corrupt more and more transparently? The page you posted this on is talking about the death of a man living in the street being murdered in public for mental health issues, why shouldn't a man who's enjoying an dangerous power he's choosing to use for corrupt purposes be living his life in fear?
Arent things starting to surface about Roberts, too? This is looking like a growing problem, and one that an equally corrupt Congress has no urge to address.

I'll eat a sixer to say that violence isn't really off the table, look at January 6. Choosing not to acknowledge a tool just means that you're giving yourself a disadvantage, especially if you've already seen others using it.

The refusal of Jeffrey of Yospos to allow goons to discuss the measures necessary to save this nation has doomed us all.

A hundred years from now people hunkering in the burned out husks of 21st century civilization will cast their eyes to the sky and cry out "if only the pig balls website had found the courage to plan the great proletariat revolution!"

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Doctor Yiff posted:

I don't agree that 'the large majority of (e:time) humans existing on Earth' is an 'extreme edge case' but I don't think we're going to convince each other of our respective assessments of human nature.

Unless you (general you) think assholes and psychopaths literally didn't exist before the invention of capitalism, the question isn't really about "human nature." The same neural circuitry will produce different behavior in different material conditions.

The real question is how to organize society to not reward anti social behavior by allowing people to leverage inequality-by-chance into inequality-by-design, accelerating over time. Capitalism obviously isn't the only system with this problem. It's not even unique in trying to dress the problem up as a good thing. It's just unique in being the system we're currently stuck in.

Since it's what we have, though, it's also the context any long-term solutions will have to happen within slash on top of. I don't think quibbling over how man behaved before the invention of pants and God is going to be terribly useful, if a coherent notion of "human nature" is even possible.

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 10, 2023

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The argument of "He was so partisan and stubborn that he refused to make a deal, damaged the American economy, and then abused his power to try and fix his mistake. All he had to do was sit down and make a deal!" is a pretty easy one to sell and people really aren't going to reward decisive action if the end result "economic damage, but less economic damage than if I did nothing." They will just see economic damage.

It's a pretty straightforward plan. The problem is that everyone has to wait until the last second for it to happen and that might be too late.

Last couple times this happened the public blamed the Republicans. Why is this time different?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Can we outlaw official announcements of the date you plan to announce you will formally declare you are running

Oh please god. I am so incredibly tired of the media lapping up meta-announcements and enthusiastically chomping on the most obvious bait.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

I think that notion is complete horseshit. They're only using smartphones and social media as a scapegoat so they don't have to look in the loving mirror. Depression is on the rise because previous generations have systematically stripped the wealth of society and transferred it upwards, stripped the planet's resources to produce more wealth for the super-rich, and are leaving the youth a planet with an unsolvable climate crisis which will cripple or radically alter civilization in negative ways.

Honestly it's probably lots of things. You covered the big one, but I'd be shocked if social media didn't magnify the usual social pressure cooker effects of high school by making drama harder to step away from. Kinda like the 24 hour news cycle, now that I think about it.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Mellow Seas posted:

If that is the final deal I have to imagine that McCarthy's speakership is over.

:pray:

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Mellow Seas posted:

Whoever the speaker is, they're going to be answering to the same people in the Freedom Caucus. And if the debt ceiling is taken off the table and they've already struck a budget deal for '24 and '25 then there's not much the next speaker can really do to gently caress stuff up, right? It's not like any Republican legislation is passing.

Meanwhile you get "Republicans in disarray" narratives, which aren't likely to help them in '24, and if they don't have any other candidate for speaker who can half-please both factions like McCarthy kind of did, then who knows what happens.

This. Plus I want to watch McCarthy's dream fall apart on national television.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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DarkCrawler posted:

It's not a belief, but my honest opinion.

It's not a belief it's just...a thing you believe???

vvv opinions are beliefs, hth

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 13:48 on May 31, 2023

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Obviously I don't want the GOP to control the Senate, but holy poo poo would it be nice to never have to hear or think about Manchin again.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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cat botherer posted:

https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1664287708070461441

The Supremes ruled 8-1 in favor of a concrete company suing their worker's union for damages suffered due to a strike.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rules-concrete-company-union-damages-dispute-rcna77242

The Washington State Supreme court previously ruled in favor of the union, saying that the concrete loss was "incidental to a strike arguably protected by federal law." I don't know how broad this ruling will wind up being, but I think it's really concerning. Withholding labor by striking is the main power labor has. In many industries, there are things that need continuous monitoring or other work to avoid losses like this. Making the unions liable for damages caused by the withdrawal of labor, as in this case, destroys the ability to strike in such industries. One could imagine similar justifications for suing a nurse's union.

Would they have been fine if they finished dispersing their loads, then commenced the strike?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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plainswalker75 posted:

Wasn't 2016 when Pokemon Go was released? I bet that had an outsized impact on both distracted driving and walking as well.

And people getting thrown out of the Holocaust Museum

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Willa Rogers posted:

Oh yah: Another reason boomers don't like food delivery that much is bc going to a restaurant to eat in for date night or girls night out is still a thing.

***

https://appsthatdeliver.com/insights/food-delivery-statistics/

Are dinner dates not a thing for non boomers?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Main Paineframe posted:

Well, yes, that's the dilemma you face when the person you actually want to vote for is a loser with very little public support and no chance of winning a majority vote or even outperforming the white supremacist theocrats. Especially when you live in a country whose political system doesn't give proportional representation to people who lose elections.

I haven't iirc encountered anyone who isn't a moron who doesn't think we'd be better off with ranked choice voting or the like. Even chuds I've talked to or overheard would like to be able to prioritize their specific, uh, areas of interest.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Jaxyon posted:

Actually they recently promoted a Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engine which was dumb as hell and misleading

Was the combustion external?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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FlamingLiberal posted:

I’ve been kind of annoyed that they used that term when it used to be ‘white supremacists’

Theoretically, iirc, white supremacists, white separatists, and kill-em-all genocidal neonazis are all under the aegis of white nationalism. It's an umbrella term.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Mister Fister posted:

Well, i'm not that old to remember stonewall, i just remember the my time as a student who fought for gay rights the amount of acrimony surrounding gay marriage, until it was finally passed. It was far far less than the trans rights movement because even lots of normies thought it was dumb that gay marriage wasn't allowed. The trans rights movement is quite a bit different than the gay rights movement because there's friction even within feminists and the gay community over certain aspects of the trans rights movement that people on the left are uncomfortable talking about (but it's there).

What i'm implying about point number 3 is that social media is a bigger part of our lives than the mid to late aughts and that's going to have an effect at amplifying negative discourse.

When were you a student?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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"Tommy Tuberville relents and says white nationalists are racist"

He's still holding up marine corps appointments over abortion tho

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Isn't that the same case with shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods, Charmin, or the LA Dodgers? It seems like it would be extremely easy to not shop at Dick's, grab a different toilet paper roll, or not buy tickets to a baseball game. But, those boycotts all sort of fizzled out without any impact.

I can see why Target, Wal-Mart, or Amazon would be too ubiquitous and large to make any difference and fail, but those seem like easier ones that didn't blow up to nearly the level of the Bud Light situation.

To shop at a different store you have to go to a different store and find the stuff you want. Bud is literally on a shelf next to Coors. It's literally no effort.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Wouldn't that be the case for Charmin toilet paper? Or that not purchasing baseball tickets and traveling to attend a baseball game is significantly less effort and cheaper than doing it?

If you want to go to a baseball game, there isn't an identical, same-cost alternative you can buy at the same place. And people are particular about their toilet paper.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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BiggerBoat posted:

Say what now? I was with you up until that last part there. Can you elaborate on why you think they have "no cultural influence?"

Because it could just be where I live but they seem to be culturally influencing poo poo like a motherfucker.
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Obviously it's a ridiculous statement when all fifty states have police and poo poo. But you live in perhaps the second whackiest state in the union. It's not even representative of most red states.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Mellow Seas posted:

Hey, I took the supplements advertised on InfoWars and I got way redder and 50% better at sucking in my gut. poo poo works.

I did the same but they were contaminated with liberalism and now I'm a black trans furry communist and able to photosynthesize.

It's wild to me how much worse this poo poo is in the conservosphere. Like, it's not surprising that grifters target groups of self-identified easy marks, but holy poo poo have they been successful.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Professor Beetus posted:

Tankie is still used as a pejorative because people on the left still wax nostalgic about gulags and revolution and reminisce about a long dead Soviet Union. Some people may use the term incorrectly, but it's the people who favorably equate Russia with the Soviet Union who invited the use of the term.

e: also is tankie even used that much outside of the terminally online left? It's a word I have encountered approximately zero times in mainstream political journalism or from major political commentators, and the most I have seen the word is right here on the SA forums or broke brain leftist Twitter.

Honestly, most of the time I run into it it's goons complaining about people who use it, or equating those people with that one perma banned guy in the old "lol tankies" thread.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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PostNouveau posted:

This strikes me as so similar to Democrats trying to get Trump convicted so he can't run in 2024. If Trump gets convicted, he gets replaced on the ticket with someone who will do exactly the same horrible policies, but who has a much better chance of winning than Trump does. If Grassley proves Biden is corrupt, the party will replace him on the ticket with someone who isn't historically unpopular.

There is no one on planet earth who would pursue exactly the same policy as Trump because a non trivial portion of his policy is dumb poo poo he thought up on the spot.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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PostNouveau posted:

Yeah, that's true. Honestly, a replacement might be worse because you won't get the random checks on the worst of Republicanism like Trump refusing to listen to war-mongers braying for blood at all times.

Or it could go the other way, going full isolationist to an extent that destabilizes Europe. Or it could be a lateral move that's a different flavor of stupid, but just as dumb. I think part of the problem here is that nobody is really 100% sure which of Trump's irrational positions are why the base likes him, and which are accepted because they like him. It's basically a political random number generator where anything can happen and the only guarantee is that it'll suck rear end.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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TheDeadlyShoe posted:

can you quit with this socratic method bullshit? you're in D&D, not a lecture hall.

if you want to argue that racism and anti-government rhetoric is a symptom and effect of ineffective government, ok. But you also have to reconcile that stance with the fact such racism and distrust of government continues even in the face of effective policy (i.e. medicare or obamacare or Covid vaccine) that objectively help said people.

This gets at the crux of it, imo. People's understanding of their material conditions is filtered through the lens of their worldview. If their worldview views denying evidence and reason to hew to the party line as an act of devotion akin to fundies speaking in tongues during a church service, policy makers have a big problem. I don't know how chuds would respond to Medicare for all or whatever making their lives better, and I don't trust anyone who's confident they do know. I'm not at all convinced they wouldn't immediately pivot to either "think of how much better we'd be without socialized healthcare" or even "we're physically healthy but spiritually impoverished."

Obviously non crazies should still push for UHC.

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Fister Roboto posted:

They should have told Ford to go gently caress himself. The power of the presidential pardon shouldn't be absolute, and allowing the pardon of Nixon set an insanely dangerous precedent, where now we're looking at the possibility of Trump getting reelected and pardoning himself.

You say that like Trump gives a poo poo about precedent.

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