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anything by piers anthony fits in here but Firefly is absolutely the worst thing I’ve ever read. “being a pedophile is okay if the kid really loves you and wants it.” also she testifies in court about how much she loved it and the jury lets him go free it’s nauseating. when I was young I was really into the xanth books thanks to my therapist at the time who recommended them to me and loaned me his whole collection. I was too young to really notice all the gross sex poo poo and was like “cool fantasy world with puns!” in retrospect he wasn’t a very good therapist
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:someone in the book barn suggested The Throne of Bones was like vandermeer's City of Saints and Madmen so i bought it Is this the one that's like a series of short stories about ghouls? I picked that up on a whim a few years ago, and hoo boy, does that book have some ideas about sex. I think I lost it at the gay prince who was assassinated with a poisoned dildo and raised as the world's gayest zombie.
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Antivehicular posted:Is this the one that's like a series of short stories about ghouls? I picked that up on a whim a few years ago, and hoo boy, does that book have some ideas about sex. I think I lost it at the gay prince who was assassinated with a poisoned dildo and raised as the world's gayest zombie. Chuck Tingle getting crazy.
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Apr 4, 2023 21:19
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Antivehicular posted:the gay prince who was assassinated with a poisoned dildo and raised as the world's gayest zombie. This isn't the Most rad books you've ever read thread!
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Apr 4, 2023 22:02
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The Painted Bird by Jerzy Kosiński Lots of child r-word. There's even a scene where like a literal foreign horde invades a small villager and ruins everybody. What's hosed up is that my used copy had a handwritten inscription from a father addressed to his daughter! I cannot even imagine the whys and hows in that thinking.
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Apr 4, 2023 22:32
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Antivehicular posted:Is this the one that's like a series of short stories about ghouls? I picked that up on a whim a few years ago, and hoo boy, does that book have some ideas about sex. I think I lost it at the gay prince who was assassinated with a poisoned dildo and raised as the world's gayest zombie. that's the one. just read that story about the desert zombies; i think the golden-dildo-assassinated-zombie was like a choirboy favoured by a priest or something
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Apr 4, 2023 22:45
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Oh right. I, uh, mostly remembered the poison dildo assassination
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Apr 4, 2023 22:48
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Paradais by Fernanda Melchor is a pretty good modern short novel in the vein of Camus or Salinger, about a boy who works as a groundskeeper and pool boy at a wealthy gated community, whose only "friend" is a fat kid who steals expensive booze for him. The fat kid becomes creepily fixated on a married woman from the gated community, and you can maybe guess where it ends. The final act is pretty bleak, even if I knew how it was going to end it was pretty messed up.
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ProperCoochie posted:The Painted Bird by Jerzy Kosiński child retards?
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obligatory xanth, my middle school had a shitload of them in the library for some reason. but also: my parents bought me The Seer King by Chris Bunch because it looked like a generic fantasy novel and there is absolutely no hint from its back cover that the series contains multiple hardcore sex scenes. definitely more hosed up books out there, they were all consensual adults, but i was 13. whoops! uh oh!
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Apr 5, 2023 00:44
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Nthing that part from It. Even as an edgy 13 year old I recognized it as uniquely weird to be in a published book. The Kite Runner was just mediocre. I read it right after The Reluctant Fundamentalist which was way better. The Painted Bird, I didn't mind so much. Usually I don't bother finishing books that are that depressing (e.g. the Color of Water) or just read the book faster (e.g. The Road, Blindness). I think Shake Hands With the Devil is probably the most hosed up book I've read. Definitely had enough of an impact for me to dream about. Live from Death Row was also pretty hosed up, if for different reasons, and I remember just leaving it on the subway when I was done with it for someone else to take.
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Tender Is The Flesh by Agustina Bazterrica is one of those books that keeps you feeling sick from start to finish and then punches you right in the gut at the end for good measure. It's about a dystopian society, which basically resembles ours 1:1, except that all livestock have fallen ill to a mysterious disease and been replaced by human beings that were bred and genetically engineered to replace them. But more than that, it's a book about how we use language to massage the truth into a story we're all comfortable with. Absolutely disgusting!
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Tender Is The Flesh by Agustina Bazterrica is one of those books that keeps you feeling sick from start to finish and then punches you right in the gut at the end for good measure. It's about a dystopian society, which basically resembles ours 1:1, except that all livestock have fallen ill to a mysterious disease and been replaced by human beings that were bred and genetically engineered to replace them. But more than that, it's a book about how we use language to massage the truth into a story we're all comfortable with. Absolutely disgusting! I almost stopped reading this one, not out of squeamishness but just because it kind of feels one note? It's a really good note though, and it's short so it doesn't overstay its welcome.
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King Vidiot posted:I almost stopped reading this one, not out of squeamishness but just because it kind of feels one note? It's a really good note though, and it's short so it doesn't overstay its welcome. Yeah, I sort of felt the same way like 3/4 of the way through until I got to the ending, which hits you over the head with that note so hard that I think I came back around to enjoying it again
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I would also point to anything by Thomas Kraatman, who writes straight up explicit Nazi apologia under the guise of science fiction. His big “series” is set in a future where the UN (which has become nothing but pedophiles and racists because that’s what socialism does) has colonized a planet which is exactly like the world that existed on 9/11. The main character - who is a self insert - loses his family in space 9/11 and then proceeds to wage a genocidal war of extermination against space Muslims (including giving them forced sex changes and feeding them pork) while fighting off the lecherous, socialist pedophiles. There’s also a long defense of why being gay should be a capital offense in the military.
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Piers Anthony's Apprentice Adept series. Even creepier than the Xanth stuff. I was a poorly socialized young adult at the time and it didn't really sink in just how messed up they were until much later. e: I take that back. I read his Mode series and that was even worse. Features a grown man forming an intimate relationship with a suicidal 14 year old girl, and this is portrayed as cool and good. I think this was the point at which naive YA me finally figured out something was very wrong with Piers "uncle touchy" Anthony. Azathoth Prime fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Apr 5, 2023 |
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An Actual Princess posted:anything by piers anthony fits in here but Firefly is absolutely the worst thing I’ve ever read. “being a pedophile is okay if the kid really loves you and wants it.” also she testifies in court about how much she loved it and the jury lets him go free it’s nauseating. I came in here to post about this. When I was a kid I loved the Xanth series even though I recognized it was kind of weird. PA wrote a lot of them, so I could just skip over the parts where he obsessed about panties or whatever. The I found firefly and was completely unprepared for a human eating sex monster and a “moral” pedophile. I still remember that kid’s graphic testimony that read like it was being written one handed. I’m happy to read American Psycho and Blood Meridian and all that because there’s a purpose to the prose and actual literary merit. I’m fairly certain PA is (was?) just a gross weirdo who gets off on injecting sexuality into books for kids.
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adding another 'read xanth way to far into the series' post
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I mean the very first book had a main character who was effectively an astonishingly sexist extended metaphor for periods which is probably uproariously funny when you're a 12 year old boy and have never spoken to a girl in your life but giving it any amount of thought after that reveals it to be just a baffling premise for a plot
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I really liked A Spell For Chameleon when I was 12, probably because I had somehow not read a "kid with no magic power turns out to have the best magic power" book before then (how??) and that poo poo is tween catnip, but I was totally oblivious to all the deeply uncomfortable sex and rape stuff I didn't continue with Xanth because I couldn't figure out which book was second and I was very insistent on reading book series in order, so that was absolutely a bullet dodged, but I read some other Anthony and started to have moments of "uh, why is he lingering on this kid getting undressed?" within a year or so. Then I made friends with a bunch of Xanth kids in eighth grade, and the rumors started going around that someone had found an Anthony book with "real sex" in it (exciting!), and soon Firefly had happened to my friend group, in the same way a car crash might have.
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Summer of Night and A Winter Haunting by Dan Simmons -in hindsight big ol' Stephen King ripoffs - got me good when i was a kid.
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Anthony also had his Incarnations of Immortality series which I read a couple of. I remember quite enjoying On a Pale Horse, I barely remember the one about Fate, but I very distinctly remember the one about Time involved him living in reverse so that his love interest got younger while he got older. I don't remember any specific scenes but the implications are there
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Antivehicular posted:a bunch of Xanth kids the chill that went down my spine
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Patware posted:the chill that went down my spine They were mostly decent kids, just extreme Young Adolescent Nerds, but I didn't stay friends with most of them through high school so I don't know if it was all terrible foreshadowing
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Heath posted:I mean the very first book had a main character who was effectively an astonishingly sexist extended metaphor for periods which is probably uproariously funny when you're a 12 year old boy and have never spoken to a girl in your life but giving it any amount of thought after that reveals it to be just a baffling premise for a plot Hit the nail on the head on me reading that book (and other Xanth books later on). Worst thing I’ve read is probably de Sade. I read most of his stuff in my mid to late teens. Some of those scenes are still burned in my brain 20+ years later. The gang rape scene in the Blindness also really bothered me, continues to be the only thing I remember about that book. e: oh and for something hosed up but with redeeming social value - I read Maus in my early teens and that both made it so that I don’t even understand how Holocaust deniers are possible and also that I have had some weird nightmares about animal people doing horrible things.
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verbal enema posted:Did anyone ever read a Child Called It? I read that in school for some loving reason and after all of it my teacher was "and it all might be a lie!" And I was like what the gently caress Heath posted:I think much of that book is claimed to be fabricated is it. some of the stuff sound realiscitally horrifying and abusive and i have read about way way worse cases of abuse and neglet that were true, so nothing seemed that insane. http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/04/26/family_feud/#:~:text=Roerva%20Pelzer%20died%20in%201992,David's%20first%20book%20was%20published. from doing a cursory look. it sounds like the abuse did happen probably but ther is various bad blood with the brothers because many wanted to keep it private and etc. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Last Exit to Brooklyn, in particular the story of Tralala, was so loving horrible and distressing to me that I actually left the coffee shop I was reading it in and got some fresh air, leaving my bag and belongings behind by mistake.
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sixth and maimed posted:... Then there were some fantasy books I read as a kid/teen that I only afterwards realized were some kind of beastility/furry porn thing. I read the Chanur saga in, like, seventh grade and really enjoyed it. Using classic kid logic, I checked out a different cat people sci fi novel from the library to read on some god-awful family trip and those cat people just would not stop loving. Iirc it was all consenting adults so it wasn't actually very hosed up, but it caught me completely by surprise. Also the cat people were psychic for some reason. World Famous W posted:adding another 'read xanth way to far into the series' post Same lol. And some of the Phase books. I stopped at the underage werewolf incest orgy. Man, I read a lot of stupid poo poo from about 5th through 9th grade. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Peter Watts' ßehemoth, just a slog of misery porn and apocalyptical jerking off about the worst possible outcomes of modern society's problems, pointless nihilistic poo poo-rolling at its finest.
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McSpanky posted:Peter Watts' ßehemoth, just a slog of misery porn and apocalyptical jerking off about the worst possible outcomes of modern society's problems, pointless nihilistic poo poo-rolling at its finest. Ssehemoth?
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Ssehemoth, nice e:f,b
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Blame Watts, it's the greek letter beta and it's stupid like everything else in that stupid book and I hate it
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I'm a late boomer born in the early 60s. Age 8: short story called, "Night in Funland." Kids falls off the Ferris wheel and dies. First death in a story. It was in one of those Scholastic Book Services books my older sister had ordered at school. Not sure if I could find it now. Age 10: The Yearling. Age 12: Bury My Heat At Wounded Knee. First knowledge of how hosed-up white people can be. Shame stayed with me for months. No regrets. Should be required reading for every kid in North & South America. 26: Whitley Streiber's Communion. Slept with the lights on for a week, something no King book ever did. 30: A Confederacy of Dunces. Bailed after 50-pages since I have my own anger management issues, don't need to read about someone else's. 49: Infinite Jest. I believe this title is an inside joke by the author & applies to anyone buying this book.
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This is gonna come off as some some incredibly dumb virtue signaling, but The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. This was required reading for school, and it was billed as some neato book about gross food industry practices back in the early 20th century “you’ll never wanna eat sausage again!” Gross stuff appealed to a 15 year old like myself, but I didn’t realize the book was 400 or so pages detailing insane levels of poverty experienced by Eastern European American immigrants. I was also severely depressed at the time, about a year away from throwing in the towel and getting help, so having to read something so bleak while also barely keeping my own life together was incredibly hard. It was one of those books that probably planted the seeds to me becoming a demsoc, so it wasn’t all bad, but it was the kind of torture that 15 year old buglord really didn’t need.
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Cthulu Carl posted:One of Stephen Baxter's Manifold series has a homo habilus or homo erectus getting a handy from his mom for no goddamn reason. Baxter is a loving creep, I tried to read the Northland Trilogy and couldn't get past the beginning of the second book because he just looooves talking about child prostitution. I read PZ Brite's Exquisite Corpse when I was 14 and that probably predisposed me to reading disgusting and upsetting things in the future. I really like Gretchen Felker-Martin's Manhunt (the testicle eating book) and I read Sister Maiden Monster this week and yikes!
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I've read a lot of hosed up stuff, but nothing has stuck with me more than Gerald's Game by Stephen King. The premise is that a women, Jessie, is on a romantic retreat in the woods with her awful husband, Gerald. He coerces her into having sex while she's handcuffed to the headboard of their bed, and then pretends that her pleas for him to stop are part of the "game" of S&M. Realizing she's about to be raped, she kicks him, he has a heart attack, dies, and now she's trapped in a remote cabin handcuffed to a bed The rest of the book deals with her situation described in agonizing detail. At first she frets about her husband's death, how she's going to explain it to the police, the embarrassment of being found in this position. But it dawns on her that it's far more likely nobody will find her for several days or even weeks. Her health deteriorates and she begins to hallucinate visions and voices: there's a grim reaper-like figure who is waiting for her to finally expire, voices in her head begin to taunt and sneer at her, tell her not to bother escaping because she deserves it. Ultimately she's forced to confront why she thinks she deserves to die, which stems from substantial untreated trauma from when she was sexually abused by her father and made to feel (by both her father and mother) that it was her fault because she seduced him. The book is just brutal because of the way it puts you in the head of someone trapped, alone, and slowly dying. Multiple paragraphs are dedicated just to the maddening pain of cramps in her arms and chest. There are entire chapters where she tries and fails and tries again just to reach a glass of water on the nightstand. As she loses grip on reality the prose also changes, becomes more incoherent and dreamlike. At a few points the POV switches to a starving stray dog who begins to eat Gerald's corpse. To escape, she breaks the aforementioned glass of water and uses the pieces to partially deglove herself. And in the end, it's revealed the grim reaper figure was real, and was in truth a serial burglar who stole from offseason vacation cabins and was sadistically watching her die It's a small book with a narrow scope, and I think that's why it's lodged in my brain.
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buglord posted:This is gonna come off as some some incredibly dumb virtue signaling, but The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. This was required reading for school, and it was billed as some neato book about gross food industry practices back in the early 20th century “you’ll never wanna eat sausage again!” 
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