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Maugrim posted:Won’t work, either this way or the other way around, because you and punk are both bumpers. Yami would always be the one to die in this situation. Vote yami and then target me at night imo
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Oh that still leaves a redirect to you lol nm
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I JUST REALISED SOMETHING IA's death flavour text (night 3): ejected. Not ejected and destroyed. Ejected. Scum withheld the night kill on night 3. Why? Because they were the only scum left and they wanted to do an action to make themselves seem towny. And hey, I got launched by Yami and have been strongly inclined ever since to believe that they are town. Was anybody launched by Yami night 4? Nobody claimed such. And Yami didn't volunteer the information when I asked in passing about night 2, although they did volunteer information regarding night 1. Yami didn't launch anybody night 4 because they were carrying out the kill on Clue. Anyone get launched night 5? I'm betting not.
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Apr 26, 2023 21:45
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Sorry just had to get that out there, really going to bed now. I don't know if we should still risk vote taste or punkreas today/vig yami tonight, or just vote yami off. How compelling is the evidence? You tell me
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Apr 26, 2023 21:49
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Yami is a clever player. I’d buy it as a possibility.
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Apr 26, 2023 21:50
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Back, and it's great the person I was gunning for and the person I backed up wholeheartedly both ended up town I'm also in the hospital with long as hell hours, Eastern time - if I wake up early enough I try to participate just before leaving but you'll see that I won't be active for much of the same stretch each day If I'm reading thing right, it's basically between me and taste (as I'm okay with throwing up hands and saying "Yami wins!" if he tagged in as scum) I think the biggest question for me so far is on my voting strategy, but if makes more sense, when I'm looking at players I use their posts, see if there's any inconsistencies with how or why they're posting (which is why I suspected GW), and I look at previous days of who they ended up voting for - I don't typically use current voting as it's easy enough to change (vote for a scum buddy for cover and all that) unless I'm deciding to vote between two people and struggling to choose Maybe that answers Yami's question? Back to ##vote taste which I should have kept pushing
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Apr 26, 2023 22:27
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Punkreas posted:Back, and it's great the person I was gunning for and the person I backed up wholeheartedly both ended up town Is this post, today and now,scum or wrong town
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Apr 27, 2023 00:28
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So maugrim is town, right? We can all acknowledge that. I’m left with either punk or yami I’m verified as a bumper, though not necessarily a town one. Has punk been separately confirmed or are we taking his word again?
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Apr 27, 2023 02:09
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Also maugs did you know the one-shot was passive? Or did you have two actions
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Maugrim posted:I JUST REALISED SOMETHING I double targeted GW with RWC Night 4 because we assumed GW works like a bumper. As for Night 5, I deliberately withheld because the only one I can affect is you and I did not want to mess with your shot.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:05
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Yami Fenrir posted:I double targeted GW with RWC Night 4 because we assumed GW works like a bumper. Safely affect, rather. I could have targeted GW but if she was lying it would have bounced
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Apr 27, 2023 04:09
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Maugrim posted:Lmao You're welcome
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Apr 27, 2023 04:10
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Maugrim posted:Interesting meta point. Punkreas has not been posting. I assumed they were offline/busy/asleep. And yet the night went by VERY quickly. I hate that this is an actual argument we need to consider. I don't like voting people based on stuff like this but i don't think it can be denied that Cpig very likely didnt need to wait on punk submitting anything
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Apr 27, 2023 04:12
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t a s t e posted:Vote yami and then target me at night imo I feel like both of your suggestions here have been bad and lead to maug kilöing themselves?
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Apr 27, 2023 04:13
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t a s t e posted:So maugrim is town, right? We can all acknowledge that. The way i see it, Maug is either an SK or town at this point. Since town has pretty much lost already anyway if it's the former, i am going to just assume it's the latter. For me it can only be between punk and taste.
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t a s t e posted:Also maugs did you know the one-shot was passive? Or did you have two actions I do want a response to this though.
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Yami Fenrir posted:I do want a response to this though. I knew it was passive. I got full info on the action when received.
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Ah okay. Also I don't think NLing works. Unless you think scum is exactly me, all NLing accomplishes is Maug dying.
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I'm going to re-read taste and punk to be sure, but right now I am leaning taste. I said this to GW in the masonry but I found the stalling at the end of last day as well as the turn on Punk odd. My gut feeling is that taste knew paranoid is gonna flip town and hesitated because of this. Mentioning Punk (who at that point had been a complete non-entity) could have been setup for today.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:45
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What are your thoughts, Maug?
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I think you’re the scum, Yami. But I also don’t think you have a redirect or BP right now so I’m fine to try and vig you tonight. Of Punk and taste I think taste is much more likely scum and am willing to vote them today if you and Punk are on board.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:10
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Maugrim posted:I think you’re the scum, Yami. But I also don’t think you have a redirect or BP right now so I’m fine to try and vig you tonight. Of Punk and taste I think taste is much more likely scum and am willing to vote them today if you and Punk are on board. Why do you think that?
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You’re going to need to do better than “being hesitant about lynching a guy that flipped town in endgame is scummy, actually” Fake edit: maybe you won’t actually
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Maugrim posted:I think you’re the scum, Yami. But I also don’t think you have a redirect or BP right now so I’m fine to try and vig you tonight. Of Punk and taste I think taste is much more likely scum and am willing to vote them today if you and Punk are on board. If I was scum I sure as poo poo wouldn’t target the guy I knew pulled a bumper off of me
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Apr 27, 2023 05:15
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Yami can just redirect your vig at night anyway, right?
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Apr 27, 2023 05:17
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Oh you think he lacks it now. Why?
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Apr 27, 2023 05:17
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t a s t e posted:You’re going to need to do better than “being hesitant about lynching a guy that flipped town in endgame is scummy, actually” Most of the stuff was said already, those were just my relevant thoughts on EOD.
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At the end of the day our entire framework was flawed because all but one of us thought that there were two scum
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Yami Fenrir posted:Why do you think that? Because scum didn’t destroy anyone night 3 (compare with the flip flavour for night 5) and nobody has flipped a role that could prevent a scum kill on someone. Therefore scum withheld and the only reason I can think of for that is so they could carry out another action. Punk and taste are just bumpers and don’t have actions, whereas you used your action on me.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:19
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t a s t e posted:If I was scum I sure as poo poo wouldn’t target the guy I knew pulled a bumper off of me If I was scum I also wouldn't be targeting the guy I took a bumper off.
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Maugrim posted:Because scum didn’t destroy anyone night 3 (compare with the flip flavour for night 5) and nobody has flipped a role that could prevent a scum kill on someone. Therefore scum withheld and the only reason I can think of for that is so they could carry out another action. Punk and taste are just bumpers and don’t have actions, whereas you used your action on me. Do we *know* that punk is a bumper? Has anyone verified that?
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Yami Fenrir posted:If I was scum I also wouldn't be targeting the guy I took a bumper off. You’re the obvious scum target, yes. Weird that you ain’t dead
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Maugrim posted:Because scum didn’t destroy anyone night 3 (compare with the flip flavour for night 5) and nobody has flipped a role that could prevent a scum kill on someone. Therefore scum withheld and the only reason I can think of for that is so they could carry out another action. Punk and taste are just bumpers and don’t have actions, whereas you used your action on me. I think this is a bad argument. Bumpers are passive - you know this because you had an oneshot. Taste could have easily carried out a kill on top. If anything, why wouldn't I just have killed you in that scenario? There could be other explanations, like some sort of kill protection. Which would make sense considering you are a vigilante as neither of the flipped scum are safe from their own NK bouncing back on them, much less your vigs.
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It’s crazy that I have a 50% shot of calling it right at this point and I still don’t know
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t a s t e posted:You’re the obvious scum target, yes. Weird that you ain’t dead We have a vig here that can kill scum at night. This is a bad argument.
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Yami Fenrir posted:I think this is a bad argument. Bumpers are passive - you know this because you had an oneshot. Taste could have easily carried out a kill on top. Didn’t you already say that you didn’t know he was a vig at that point? Why would you be killing him?
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We are dealing with solo scum here, most likely. Killing Maug and then me seals the game. Killing me and then Maug risks getting a vig shot bounced on you.
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Yami Fenrir posted:We have a vig here that can kill scum at night. This is a bad argument. You’ll have to untangle this because to me aiming at a guy with a bumper is a bad move
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t a s t e posted:If I was scum I sure as poo poo wouldn’t target the guy I knew pulled a bumper off of me If you’re the last remaining scum you surely don’t care which townie you kill
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t a s t e posted:Didn’t you already say that you didn’t know he was a vig at that point? Why would you be killing him? Because he wouldn't be one of the claimed bouncers? My point is, why would I redirect someone that night rather than just kill them with 2 scum dead. I'd just be further behind for no good reason.
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